This autoAnglophobia was epitomised by the actress Emma Thompson, who during the run-up to the referendum described her homeland as “a tiny little cloud-bolted, rainy corner of sort-of Europe, I mean really, a cake-filled, misery-laden, grey old island”.
Thompson, who more recently flew from Los Angeles to London to attend a climate change rally, could not have better personified her caste; raised from old theatre stock in Hampstead, attending one of Camden’s elite state schools and then Cambridge, she described herself as “European”, but for a certain type of Briton that means less an identification with the inheritance of Rome and Greece than membership of a community of belief. It means being internationalist, open-minded, progressive, university-educated… just not British.
The English are exceptional in their “oikophobia”, as Roger Scruton defined the “need to denigrate the customs, culture and institutions that are identifiably ours”. Scruton argued that it is “a stage through which the adolescent mind normally passes” but which is common among intellectuals and artists of all sorts. The English are the worst at it.
None of this is new; the British intelligentsia has hated the country for at least two centuries, to the extent of supporting opponents far more sinister than the EU.
Yet while such disdain was once confined to small literary circles, today its association with education and high status has allowed it to mimetically spread through the institutions. Today even august bodies like the National Trust are dominated by people who find patriotism just a bit distasteful, and would be horrified to promote it. In what other countries would the publishing industry have a whole genre of books devoted to denigrating the country’s history, showing that actually we’re the worst at everything; that every victory wasn’t really ours; that our heroes were monsters.
It is also a strangely parochial belief, this idea that Britain is somehow uniquely bad, as if everywhere doesn’t have similar problems, often worse. But then British internationalism is one of the most parochial belief systems in the world; we laud the NHS as the finest moral legacy of mankind, while in the rest of Europe it’s a laughing stock. Our commentariat bemoan that our country is going down the dark path of nationalism because our PM once made an off-colour joke, while across the Channel politicians compete to appear the most hostile to Islam. Indeed, Britain is unusually liberal for European standards, and of most social issues has become noticeably more liberal since 2016.
For all that it was about Europe, and the world, the referendum debate was really about two competing visions of what it meant to be British; even the Remainer identity, with its EU flags and affected xenophilia, was a particularly British tribal allegiance, dominated by Thames Valley Liberal Democrats who are nice people and like Radio 3 and the Proms.
For a certain type of progressive, British patriotism or nationalism is nothing to celebrate, and always contains something dark within, the neanderthal and skinhead just waiting to emerge. A recent article by a former Labour MP warned that “although we British have long been prone to outbreaks of nationalism, until recently obsessive flag waving was by and large confined to small far-right parties, Northern Irish Unionists and a bunch of Hooray Henrys and Henriettas at the Last Night of the Proms. But the Brexit referendum and its aftermath has ushered in a new era. Something fundamental has changed. With the coming of Brexit the nationalist genie is out of the bottle and will not easily be put back.”
Next year France may well elect Marine Le Pen as president; in Rome the Brothers of Italy party is surging ahead, while everyone’s favourite liberal paradise, Denmark, has an immigration and asylum system that would have British Tories, let alone liberals, in fits.
When ministers suggest government buildings might fly the British flag, rather than the Pride colours or trans flag or whatever the liturgy dictates this week, there are howls of outrage from people who seem uninterested that this is normal everywhere else in Europe. It’s seen as some unprovoked “culture war”, as if the Left hasn’t been engaged in a forever culture war for decades. Wanting to fly the flag is not exceptional; thinking the British are above flag-waving is the exceptionalism.
So what is different about England? Much of it has to do with the country’s main class fault-line, between a socially liberal haute bourgeoisie and a conservative petty bourgeoisie (apologies for my French, fellow patriotic Britishers).
Explaining why he found Radio 4 so irritating, the novelist Tim Lott once explained that the liberal middle class “is the voice of the upper echelons of the BBC” and they are in conflict with Middle Englanders, “essentially people with nice homes and decent incomes and a commitment to abiding by the law and even a sense of patriotism. The LMC see them as retrograde and primitive – those damn Daily Mail readers.”
Auto-Anglophobia is defined by a disgust of a certain idea of England. When Thompson made her comments it was leapt upon immediately by the Daily Mail, which asked “Why DO so many leftie and luvvies loathe this country”, which is a legitimate question, although it might also be said that it’s not exactly the country they hate but YOU, the Middle Englanders.
No recent book better summarises this fault than the Harry Potter series, where each of the villains represent different archetypes of the Liberal Middle Class’s enemies, from the small-minded suburban NIMBY Uncle Vernon to the future Bullingdon boy Malfoy.
The AutoAnglophobic intellectual isn’t against nationalism per se; they fawn over the Celtic variety, that earthy, authentic love of country, and when did Celtic nationalism ever kill anyone? Some proclaim how they long to be Scottish, just as once they might have claimed Irish or, if they were clutching at straws, Cornish ancestry. Some even dream of a separate Scottish nation, a British version of Vermont, progressive and egalitarian.
Similarly, “flag-shagger” as an insult almost invariably comes from people with flags in their Twitter bio – Palestine flags, EU flags, gay flags, trans flags, any flags just as long as they’re high status rather than low — the Union Jack and, worse still, the prole’s apron that is the St George’s Cross. You might see the latter in a middle-class areas during the later stages of a football tournament, but otherwise Rod Liddle was right to say that in north London you’re more likely to see the Palestinian colours being flown.
The conservative response to this disdain is often disingenuously defensive of the nation and its people, when indeed there is lots to dislike about England. The bone-headed officiousness of many in authority, which has come out to the fore in lockdown. The yobbishness, which is far more noticeable than in other European countries. The fact that you have signs in theme parks telling men to keep their tops on. We aren’t the world’s biggest drunks, but we’re probably the most unpleasant. Although much improved, England football fans can be horrible in the flesh; thuggish, racist and intimidating.
Visiting Holland always brings out my inner Remainer, because the people just seem like a better version of the English; the Germans are more cultured and take serious things like opera seriously; Italy is dysfunctional but Italians are intrinsically more civilised than us, and the Scandinavians run things in such a fairer way. And the French; well, I’m sure they have their good qualities, too. (Joke! I love the French.)
Likewise, much of the urban liberal critique of the British establishment is entirely justified. Our class system is not unique, but no one else really has such a divide between the private and state school sectors, for instance, nor such domination by one school in producing a lot of quite mediocre national leaders. The absence of revolution or war has been a blessing, but it has allowed us to avoid reform where it is needed.
And England is exceptional in some ways. The biggest event in our history took place ten thousand years ago when Doggerland was flooded. It is hard to invade an island, and so the country remained unaffected by the rule of Napoleon, or Hitler, leaving different legal and measuring systems, and a different psychology.
That silver sea has made us a happy breed of men, but it has also made us a complacent breed – the perfect conditions for oikophobia. In countries which have been trampled over by armies down the years an artist who disdained the ground where his ancestors had been starved or raped would be tiresome; in an island which had not endured foreign occupation or tyranny for centuries it’s indulged.
It’s an ancient tradition, going back at least to the late 18th century. The French Revolution was cheered by many in Britain, but many of those continued cheering even after it had descended into bloodshed, and war with Britain. Many of Britain’s intelligentsia praised Napoleon as “the Great Man of the People of France, the Liberator of Europe”, in the words of one radical MP. Charles Fox praised the French dictator, Britain’s arch-enemy, as “the most stupendous monument of human wisdom”. The great polemicist William Godwin – husband of Mary Wollstonecraft and father of Mary Shelley – wrote that Bonaparte was “infinitely more dear to the people of France” than ever, even after it became clear he was a tyrant. William Wordsworth, once enthusiastic about revolution, had after France invaded Switzerland in 1798 lamented of his home country “Oh grief that Earth’s best hopes rest all with thee!”
Among the most enthusiastically self-hating were the Unitarians, who felt that Britain was uniquely immoral. One Unitarian minister, Ebenezer Aldred, said that Britain was the real Beast of Revelation, “guilty of imperialism, slave trading and sodomy”, in Robert Tomb’s words.
The intelligentsia’s disdain for the country that had nurtured them became more pronounced in the 20th century as Britain’s prestige declined, much of it influenced by a class disgust of the newspaper-reading “clerks”. It began at Cambridge University, where around the time of the First World War Lytton Strachey’s brilliantly timed Eminent Victorians marked the start of a cultural shift, after which the intelligentsia would always hate Britain.
The Bloomsbury set were the most notorious, among them Virginia Woolf and EM Forster, who combined following an egalitarian creed with snobbery for the ordinary British. A Room With a View, his novel about English tourists in Italy, is filled with contempt for the Brit abroad, who sophisticated English travellers have for centuries looked down on.
In fact back during the days of Grand Tour, the Whig Earl of Chesterfield told his son “You are not sent abroad to converse with your own countrymen… among them, in general, you will get little knowledge, no language, and I am sure, no manners… Their pleasure of the table end in beastly drunkenness, low riot, broken windows, and very often (as they well deserve) broken bones”.
The mindset became starker in the 1930s; in the famous 1933 Oxford Union debate, the country’s future leaders voted that “This House will under no circumstances fight for its King and country” by 275 votes against 153.
Orwell accused the country’s intelligentsia in the 1930s of “chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British”. Unsurprisingly, when he wrote Nineteen-Eighty-Four, he saw that if there was hope against the new ideology, it would lie with the proles.
Intellectuals like Virginia Woolf didn’t understand why the workers continued to love their country, despite everything. Even during the darkest days of the War they refused to give up hope: on 17 June, 1940, Home Intelligence found a mood of “gloomy apprehension” to be most common in “the middle classes and women”. Working-class men, despite what the experts believed, thought we would win, and that even if we didn’t — we should fight anyway.
Since then, disdain for the country has spread from a small circle at Cambridge to the entire upper echelons of society; it has become a mark of status. It was noticeable after Brexit that many of those claiming to speak for “the 3 million” EU citizens here (who turned out to be 5 million) argued their case by insulting Britain, saying that a lazy country needed them.
This might seem ungrateful, but it was really a sign of integration, doing what the Brits do. (Just as high-status Asian-Americans talk about white supremacy because that’s what high-status Americans do.)
In fact, this has long been a mark of fitting in. Before The Satanic Verses affair, Salman Rushdie had ingratiated himself with the British cultural elite by comparing the country to Nazi Germany for Channel 4; more recently, foreign-born British journalists and cultural figures attack Britain for being racist; what looks like ingratitude is just newcomers imitating a society’s high-status beliefs. Two hundred years ago they might have joined the Church of England; now they join the Church of Hating England.
Bohemians are good for society; it needs them. But when bohemian mores spread too widely it can start to turn into universal cynicism and distrust, and eventually populism.
The disdain that many people feel for Britain certainly didn’t help Remain’s cause. In the weeks leading up to the vote, a bunch of bankers would come up with important but rather boring forecasts of just how skint we would be if we left; then some idiot would tweet that they’d lose their nanny if we left, unaware of how much that was the point, to punish an urban elite who enjoyed the full privileges of globalisation without the social contract that comes with being part of a national community. Perhaps the abiding image of the campaign was Bob Geldof, do-gooder par excellence — and a genuinely decent man by all accounts, who has done actual good — sticking two fingers up at British fishermen during a rather bad tempered, but comical, day of protests.
After the referendum, another social media trend was for people to post pictures of themselves on skiing holidays, looking sad because they were saying goodbye to Europe. Some posed with themselves eating continental food, because now they sadly never to eat a croissant again. This was done without any self-awareness, and the abiding message was “look how much I despise you all”.
The problem for Remain, and for progressives generally, is that everything is now so out in the open. Back in 2004 Thomas Frank wrote in What’s The Matter with Kansas? his polemic on working-class conservatism, that Right-wing media had created a fantasy where “all-powerful liberals who run the country… are contemptuous of the tastes and beliefs of the people who inhabit it.”
Yet since then, social media has proved the conservative fantasy to be obviously true, and it’s possible that nations, like families, need the little white lies to keep things going; if we all knew what the people around us really thought about us, things would fall apart very soon. And in Britain it became obvious that large numbers of the cultural elite really do hate the country.
It is that disdain for Englishness that partly explains Brexit. People will often put up with being ruled by people who cheat them, or lie to them, or who mismanage the country — as recent polls illustrate. But they won’t put up with being ruled by those who openly despise them.
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SubscribeI think this is an outstanding essay. Insightful and sad. Well done, Ed West.
I struggle to find a sentence I disagree with.
Interesting
Ed, this is an outstanding essay. The allusion at the end to Boris retaining support despite obvious flaws and failures shows how powerful nationalism (im loathe to use that word) is to the everyday man/woman of this country who is far to often overlooked. I saw an image of Tony Blair taking office in ‘97 the other day, celebrating with a sea of British flags. Could you see any politician of the current left doing this today?
“…the prole’s apron that is the St George’s Cross…”
A very amusing phrase and one that perfectly sums up the disdain held by the elites for the ordinary love of one’s country.
“They (the English) won’t put up with being ruled by those who openly despise them.” How very true. To the “elite’s” (no connotation of excellence) self-loathing must be added my loathing. And I am clearly far from alone. Those who genuinely hate this country and love all things to do with the EU, which is not synonymous with Europe, have an easy remedy. Emigrate. Mind you, they would then have to master another language. Or just shout.
“..the EU, which is not synonymous with Europe”. One of the most exasperating aspects of Brexit is having to parry the assumption, made by many Remainers, that all those of us who voted Leave did so because we “hate Europe”. Not so, I tell them, but I don’t think they are listening.
The thing that many Brexiteers and Remainers love about Europe is the variety/diversity of its component countries.
What many Remainers don’t yet comprehend is that the EU project is specifically designed to eliminate that wonderful richness.
Send then Daniel Hannan’s book “Why Vote Leave” which gives a clear picture of the destructive homogenisation of Europe by the EU.
If that doesn’t work, then give up.
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A very good, and perceptive, article. A further danger of this loathe-our-country trend is that it discourages immigrants from becoming part of our society. Why would you want to join something which elite voices are denigrating? I recall an email circulating amongst my university lecturer colleagues which sneered at the ceremony conducted for new British nationals as ridiculous ‘flummery’. I also heard a colleague declaring he wouldn’t join in the singing of the National Anthem at our graduation ceremony (a practice now discontinued). What are new citizens, coming from societies where respect for symbols of national belonging and unity is seen as right and natural, to make of all this? This self-loathing preached by powerful voices will exacerbate ethnic and cultural divisions in our country, just when a healing unity is most needed.
This is the oath of Canadian citizenship:- “I swear (or affirm) that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second, Queen of Canada, Her Heirs and Successors and that I will faithfully observe the laws of Canada and fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.”
Never seems to be a shortage of people from all over the world willing to take the oath!
Surprised there is no mention of the Trudeau family in there in the oath.
This phenomenon is not exclusively English. New York Times editorial board member Mara Gay was very recently ‘disturbed’ by people on Long Island flying American flags. The people should be able to separate ‘Americanness’ from ‘whiteness’. Shame. Who would have thought.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/09/ny-times-defends-mara-grays-american-flag-comments/
By the way, at the time Mara Gay went on TV supporting the most **** tweet in the history of ***** tweets:
“Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads. The U.S. population is 327 million,” Rivas wrote. “He could have given each American $1 million and still have money left over. I feel like a $1 million check would be life-changing for most people. Yet he wasted it all on ads and STILL LOST.”
Haha! This reminds me of Andrew Neil and Portillo exposing Owen Jones’s misapprehension that the “millionaires” in the Cabinet all earned a million quid a year. It’s also redolent of Diane Abbott’s grasp of mathematics.
Err no, that would cost him $327 trillion, which I’m fairly sure he doesn’t yet have.
Someone has reported this post of mine regarding the Rivas tweet which is now flagged for moderation! Can’t make it up! Are there trolls on this site now? Time for me to contact Unherd again.
It is odd to hear those, often with no more knowledge of the EU and its functioning than others, overlooking disturbing trends in Europe and beyond which far outstrip the mortal voting sin of Brexit, whilst remaining silent on China – to which some have the unquestioning arc of a fly serenely zapping into a UV trap. Well done Ed, for highlighting some such mental gymnastics akin to recovered memory or alien abduction episodes. Any argument that divides or frustrates will be seized upon by the aggrieved, it seems. This extends to hurrah-ing those – Iran, China, take your pick – where dissent means jail. Beyond that, a lot of people here seem to be coming together again quite well, realising that this really was a First-World fisticuffs, with divisions overplayed and post-Brexit inconveniences easily resolvable – where there’s a will.
Yes. I recently had occasion to remind me children, two of whom are the kind of leftist of this article, that it was unlikely we would be veering to the right after leaving the EU considering that there isn’t now and hasn’t been in my lifetime, a right wing movement in this country that had gained any popular support, whereas Europe is awash with them.
“…Perhaps the abiding image of the campaign was Bob Geldof, do-gooder par excellence…”
Those of us who were teens in the 70s listening to the Boomtown Rats, look on in wonder at the rewriting people both individually and collectively have engaged in over the period, a kind of Complicity of Amnesia. I remember a Bob Geldof hit from the mid 70s, ‘Mary of the Fourth Form’ which even at the time I thought the lyrics a tad dubious (but entertaining), but if he were to put that song out now I have no doubt he would be cancelled on the spot. It’s so illustrative of how the contradictory social narratives of today can no longer be safely navigated by the very people who were complicit in creating those narratives, like Geldof (whose music I have always liked) whose personal sadness in life as a man, with wife (who left him) and daughter both dead, could now easily be turned on any moment by the very people he supports so vehemently, as a prime example of patriarchy. The very same phenomenon observable in the various Feminist movements, the older versions like Greer et al now being cannibalised by usurping new, even more radical, generations whom in fact they created and nurtured.
Excellent essay. My only quibble with the author Ed West is (1) It’s not self-loathing: the British elites are nation- and people-loathing. They don’t loath themselves; in fact, they have a grandiose view of themselves. (2) The elites’ loathing of their countries and common people is not unique to Britain, but is characteristic of U.S. and French elites as well. See the new book, Political Populism in the 21st Century: We the People (Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 2021).
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352212739_Chapter_7_Revolt_Against_the_Elites_Political_Populism_in_the_Twenty-First_Century_We_the_People_Newcastle_Upon_Tyne_UK_Cambridge_Scholars_Publishing_2021_pp_129-153
This book sounds excellent. Have you managed to obtain a hard copy version? I’ve only been able to find it available at Waterstones for £70 which is more than I can justify for a short book…
Nothing pisses the people off more than being sneered at by the quality.
good piece. Brings to mind Gerald Ratner, when he revealed that he despised the jewellery he sold. Or Hilary Clinton with her use of the word “deplorables”. Perhaps this vain tendency should be called Ratnerism.
For all Boris’s flaws I think it would be hard to fake his apparent enthusiasm for this country and his glass half full approach. And though people may find it hard to believe there are things he seems to instinctively understand – for example if you go back to his essay about the burqa, if you *actually* read it, his comments about letterboxes and ninjas are not only funny (admit it), but TRUE. People do think they look like that and he acknowledges it before going on to defend wearing it as a freedom that is also British. The average Brit dislikes burqas on a visceral level because they represent an ideology that is the antithesis to British culture and our sense of gender equality. But we also have a live and let live approach. I’ll be fine with you if you’re fine with me. Every culture has its flaws and I think in Britain class is an entrenched one. I have noticed that when it comes to patriotism the working classes share it with the real upper classes, the aristocracy. How else to explain the affection between sections of the working class and Jacob Rees-Mogg, the ultimate old school gentleman toff?? They share something that transcends class….. love of country. It’s the middle classes that seem to shun it the most. And I wonder if it goes back to the industrial revolution when the aristocracy started to get challenged by the nouveau riche, the industrialists and mercantilists. The nouveau riche were not truly accepted because they possessed too many qualities of their more lowly roots and the nouveau riche tried to ingratiate themselves with the aristocracy by differentiating themselves from the proles. Perhaps the same with the academics and the intelligentsia. By apeing what they perceived to be high brow ideas they could elevate their own status. They weren’t proud of their lowly roots they despised them, disavowed them, *pretended they were better than them*. And I wonder if that is where some of this comes from.
The land owners do not hate this coutry or families with long military and naval tradtions.
Lynton Strachey typifies inherited money which lacks the spirit which mafde this counry great.
Barnes Wallis said it was the individialism which made the British great inventors. Fletcher Bannister – The Architect, said the English were were hardy and enterprising race. Intellectuals are largely a product of mercantile urban inherited money who are too effete, ineffective, ineffectual and impractical to undertake constructive work; the type which creates civilisation. Consequently, they do not produce a F Nightingale, D Livingstone. E Shackleton, C Wren Brindley, Watt, B Wallis , RJ Mitchell, Watson Watt, etc . Being inferior and inadequate to those who made Britain great, out of malice they wish to bring everyone down to their level.
Hooray for Ed! Spot on, and brilliant. I’m a reformed England-hater, now living in France which adds a little vinaigrette to all this. Today I felt a little ashamed of myself; I made a disparaging remark about England to a very nice French woman, to whom I was being very nice about France, and I only really meant the weather but I realised afterwards I just sounded like another England loathing haut bourgeois. Sorry Albion.
It used to be Russia questioning the sovereignty and territorial integrity of those in its self-decreed “near abroad”. That Macron, an opportunistic janus looking east and west, now uses such Russian threat tactics against the UK, a NATO ally, is quite a turnaround. Contrast France building warships for Russia ahead of Crimea with the UK recently having to deploy its navy to the Channel Islands – while retired french generals warn of civil war in France – and you get the extent of France’s unease ahead of its next elections. UK-bashing is a helpful distraction.
“In countries which have been trampled over by armies down the years an artist who disdained the ground where his ancestors had been starved or raped would be tiresome; in an island which had not endured foreign occupation or tyranny for centuries it’s indulged.” This is astonishingly true. Hailing from the former Soviet Union I can attest to that. Sadly, these “indulgent” views and attitudes have been acutely felt in Canada, precisely for the same reasons.
And Australia and NZ.
An excellent essay with so many good points. I’ll comment on just one: “Wanting to fly the flag is not exceptional; thinking the British above flag-waving is the exceptionalism.” I noticed this decades ago on Bastille Day. I’ll confess, it made me quite proud that Britain felt confident and comfortable enough with itself not to need such crude displays of nationalism. Everything has a good and a bad side, even the ironic hypocrisy of Britain’s elites, whose self-loathing contains an element of wishing to rise above nationalism and tribalism. An element now diluted to just a few molecules within currents of delusions about the EU.
Inevitably we criticise our own politics, politicians and political institutions, but to think the European versions of the same are superior and so don’t need holding to account behind the Brussels and Strasbourg fortresses is the great delusion that will first discredit and then destroy the British elite classes. Continuing the nasty culture war is the elites chosen response. The coming (very un-) civil wars in Europe as citizens, denied the democratic recourse offered to the British, counter the kafkaesque institutions that govern them with rising incompetence and authoritarianism with the only means available to them, will be the denouement of the Brexit Revolution as Britain once again stands alone, an island of calm off the coast of chaos.
I really enjoy the articles and essays that give so much to think about!
It is so horribly true. I don’t find the picture replicated abroad or in the opinion of others towards the English.
The fear of parocialism, is very strong amongst the English middle classes. I remember not so long ago they used to ape the style and manners of the working classes, the footballers, the actors, Caine, Finney etc. Working class people were authentic, easy in their skin, comfortable in their relationship to their body and their appetites. They made great music and art, full of animal charisma.
Abroad, I found that beyond the Watneys red barrel and fish and chips , they could make kinship with Dutch, German, Italian or Spaniard, with all those countries love of surreal excess. In fact it is the middle class who are most uncomfortable with bullfights, ocktoberfests, tomato fights and holy week festivals.
The middle classes are no fun, they never have been. They are reluctant to confer approval, unlike the working class, who are apt to tell you how clever you are and gently take the P**s,with them character is important and the ability to take a joke, for which they will reward you with friendship.
Now the middle classes have turned even more virtuous, cramped and conformist.They obsess about the definitive and authentic, a sure way of missing what’s important in life.Their sense of superiority has been supercharged by the progressives. In a culture where everyone aspires to similar markers like cars, clothes, holidays etc. Feeling that you’re aware of your privileges and your disgust with sexism and racism, confers humility and grace. Their piety distinguishes them from the rabble.
So three cheers for the strength, humour and truculence of the ordinary English man and woman, they are this country’s saviours. I voted remain, I’m very middle class, highly educated and in the arts and until recently thought I was a Liberal.
This is a great article though Salmen Rushdie could have been omitted – he’s got enough enemies already! It’s no doubt true that the middle class and elites see the working class as uncultured yobs and it’s not hard to find evidence to support this, even when compared to the working class on the continent
Do you have in mind St Emily Thornberry?
A brilliant essay. Thank you. I utterly despair of the class of person who, 5 years on still cannot come to terms with losing. The lack of self awareness amongst this group is astonishing too. Why did we end up with Boris Johnson as PM and a ‘hard’ Brexit? Because of their refusal to accept they lost the vote and then argue and build support for a compromise. Instead they arrogantly pursued the path of a second vote. Finally, the fortunes of the First Ministers of Scotland and Wales prove the point of your final paragraph. Has either run a good government? Certainly in Scotland the SNP’s record is poor (where I live.) However, both Sturgeon and Drakeford come across as loving their respective countries. Drakeford, in particular has batted away nationalism by being true to himself as a patriotic Welshman.
Great writing.
—Ed West
Surely people who lie to you and cheat you must despise you? What I trust will soon cease to amaze me is that Boris Johnson’s disdain for the people is so persistent in successfully hiding in plain site!
There is, surely a sensible level of self criticism for both individual and nationally? And yes, going beyond point is overdoing it. There is much to criticise in any nation’s history and current behaviour but also surely, some things to celebrate.
I do however, have a problem with the use of the word “nation”. Do the inhabitants of a given country automatically become a nation? I think not. Perhaps in days of yore before migation became commonplace but not so, surely in recent decades? My country, Ireland and most specifically ROI was very much an old style nation with the overwhelming majority being of Irish decent for many, many generations: all white, all RC with only a tiny minority of “others”. But that was not the case with England (in particular: less so with the other ‘nations’) with its original Celts, Angles, Saxons, Picts, Romans, Norsemen and uncle Tom Cobley an’ all since forever. So England cannot be a “nation” then in any real sence of the word?
Of course if a nation is a collective view of itself then that’s a different matter. But what is that collective view? To many it’s the white Anglo-Saxon type and therefore excudes a large proportion of England’s current inhabitants!
I’m not sure if we Irish and Scots who’ve lived in England for generations are considered by the English to be English? In football of course the answer is Yes (eg Rooney, Farrell etc.) but when it gets down to it? We who call ourselves Irish and Scots would, in any event, be appalled at such a suggestion!
So a re-think is needed. Personally, I abhor nationalism for it’s racism, xenophobia and warmongering. A person’s so-called Nationality is of zero concern to me in all but cultural terms and that person’s individuality if what counts. It is hardly a coincidence that the less intelligent, the less educated the more nationalistic! Not only am I very happy to be European I’m even happier to be a member of the human race and that is “nation” enough for me.
The writer repeatedly confuses English and British; people in England feel that this is just a small matter but it is very important and this confusion is the source of the decline of Britain.
There is no self-loathing elite in Scotland or Wales – why is that? It is because the governments of those areas are not shy of doing things and saying things like, “We are all proud to be Scottish/Welsh.” If the governments/television/newspapers/magazines actually emphasised the importance of Britishness instead of being shy about it, more people in the UK would copy the idea and there would be no need of Scottishness or Welshness. The actors like Emma Thompson would be forced to shut up and then we would have some kind of proper country.
So, do not copy this writer but understand that Britishness is important, not Englishness. Get it right instead of muddling through.
(Sport is different. Sport is sport.)
I beg to differ about the elite in Scotland and Wales. They are on the same page in pursuit of globalisation in the shape of Europhilia. Their environmental catastrophism, and strident advocacy of identity politics is another example. Their approach to Covid 19 reveals the preferences of control freaks Sturgeon and Drakeford and their public health advisers. Like the MSMThey hate the people and their habits. As a left libertarian i find as many if not more reasons to be suspicious of governing elite in the devolved nations as in England.
I think you have not read the essay above but have just expressed your political opinion. The essay is not really about political leaders; it mentions Bob Geldof, Emma Thompson and other ‘elite’ people meaning I suppose – celebs.
I agree with you, that Drakeford and Sturgeon think too much of themselves and are manipulative so as to pursue their own agendas (all politicians do this) but the point rests on the cultural leaders. They are the ones who despise their own culture.
I concede that Scotland and Wales are small and it is much easier in a small community to have ideas in common. But England suffers badly from the split between the southeast and the rest. An English culture does not exist – think of the thatched cottages around village greens in Suffolk and compare it to Bolton or Blackburn.
My argument is that there is no real ‘Englishness’ so you have to focus on Britishness as a fall back.
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This is why you lost.
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In short: we need a revolution? Now, where would we look for a good example we would want to follow? The least bloody examples I can think of are Cuba or East Germany, maybe Iran, and neither really sounds like a good role model.
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Well, face covering has already become a religious precept, so Iran seems to be the natural example to follow. Now then, should we invite the Revolutionary Guard over for consultative advice, and whom should we make Supreme Ayatollah?
-11 seems very harsh for a ‘dl’.
and what does it mean, anyway?
What happened?
Probably change of heart, a crisis of belief, he’s decided it’s all off, and he’s heading to a monestary in Tibet. No biggie, it happens.