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"I just love rescuing," says Meghan Markle. Credit: Harpo Productions/Joe Pugliese via Getty Images
America has always had a mixed fascination with royalty. The world’s monarchies are at once romantic and exotic, fantastically glamorous but also a little bit weird. The manners, and the manors, and the hats — good lord, the hats — seem like something out of fiction, otherworldly and governed by a system as inscrutable as it is foreign. The difference between royalty and nobility and between nobility and landed gentry is hard to parse in a republic where the wealthiest folks are the great grandkids of tycoons and industrialists, where we have oil barons but no baron-barons. If a successful American wanted to live as lord of a sprawling Downton-esque estate, he’d have to buy one or build it himself, a business proposition rather than a birthright. (Not that this stopped people like the Rockefellers from doing exactly that, and good for them: their mansion are museums now, and they’re fabulous.)
But when it comes to our complex relationship with the royals, nothing illustrates it better than the American Cinderella story: a kind of modern riff on the original fairytale with, usually, a feminist twist. From The Prince & Me to A Christmas Prince to The Princess Switch, these fictional fantasies centre on an ordinary girl who falls in love with a prince, usually to the horror of his family, but also often to her own distress. She’s a farm girl! She doesn’t know how to curtsy or what fork to use! She hardly even bathes — and she doesn’t want to!
The American Cinderella is independent, hard-working, and as uninterested in a royal marriage as she is unqualified for one. But love will not be denied, and in these stories, a compromise is inevitably reached: the princess-to-be teaches her stuck-up in-laws that it’s okay to embrace change, but she herself also develops a new appreciation for stodgy royal values like tradition, duty, and service. And they get married and live happily ever after, the end.
But in real life, the wedding is only the beginning.
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Oprah’s tell-all interview with the stateside Sussexes reminds us just how much the fairytale once seemed real. Meghan Markle was the glamorous true-life realisation of that empowered princess, and her marriage to Prince Harry the stuff that modern fairytales were made of. There was the transcontinental romance, the lavish wedding, an incoming Duchess who was not just American but a mixed-race divorcee with an impressive education and a career of her own — and no, she didn’t know how to curtsy.
Granted, it wasn’t exactly like the movies; there were whispered suggestions in the gossip pages that Markle had strategically placed herself in Harry’s orbit in a way that was more wicked stepsister than Cinderella. But it was close enough. Watching from the US, there was a sense not just that Markle was living the dream, but that she was irritating to all the right people (yes, especially the racist ones) in a way that was profoundly, even historically, American. 1776 was a long time ago, but don’t we still get a little thrill out of that irreverent contempt for authority — especially if it is wearing a crown?
Fast forward to the big twist a year ago, when Harry and Meghan announced that they would be stepping back from royal life. Even not knowing exactly what it meant, it certainly seemed like a win. A win for Meghan, who was being abused by the British tabloids (not to mention, allegedly, certain less-enlightened members of her new extended family), and also for American values, for freedom itself. From across the pond, Megxit seemed like a second, more intimate iteration of our original Revolution, complete with its own Declaration of Independence (this one announced on Instagram along with the couple’s new brand-to-be, Sussex Royal).
There was even the particularly delicious irony of Harry having appeared at a 2018 benefit performance of Hamilton — a musical about his ancestors getting kicked out of America. Harry even sang a couple lines from the song in which a grossly overconfident King George proclaims his intentions never to relinquish the nation to autonomous rule. The lyrics depict a ruler in the grips of pompous delusion, in the style of a needy lover:
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Professional victim uses the race card to earn herself some money. What else is new?
My feelings exactly.
They have used Winfrey – in a pity party two years in the planning – as a conduit to air all their dirty laundry, so now it’s all aired what do they winge about and play the victim about from now on ?
At least it was’nt Jerry Springer
Jerry Springer would have been a real hoot.
He might have asked her about her relatives
She’s used them. They look like a bunch of numbskulls and Oprah got the scoop.
The interview, actual not what was shown, was apparently 3 hours long. I wonder what Winfrey decided not to broadcast.
Interesting, that you should reference this. It is often said that the real story lies on the cutting room floor.
Winfrey was delighted to do this interview. She used them as much as they used her. This is her speciality, getting people to speak “their” truth rather than “the” truth. But racism charges live forever, the Sussexes will dine out on this for years if not decades. They are now permanent victims.
They are now pathetic, whinging losers. One hopes the Royal Family removes all of their titles and Harry from the line of succession. They wanted to be independent, well, let them be.
Totally agree.
Removing their titles would be just but it would be counter-productive. In propaganda terms, Markle would use it to prove her case.
Yep! It would be an opening to ‘prove’ how bad the monarchy is although I agree with shutting down al favours to the pathetic couple. I felt an acute nausea looking at such a smugg woman who wrapped a pretty impulsive and ignorant prince around her manipulative finger.
Yes, you are right. Why give the silly woman more ammunition?
honestly the RF’s only hope is that one of the staff secretly recorded her being nasty and somehow it finds daylight in the press.
Winfrey has sold it it To 70 Countries..So now A pandemic of Victimhood awaits us later in 2021
When it all dies down and Americans have something else to hold their attention, then the ex-royals will be cast into the wilderness. What will the Markles do then?
You forgot to mention “horsey”
they can milk this for awhile until they see how little talent she has.
What about the book and the tv repeats? Ah, I see what you mean!
Winfrey must be close to Worst interviewer on TV,never challenging ‘Victimhood answers’ bring on Chris Morris or jeremy Paxman for A PROPER analysis of Prince & Princess of Woke!
Yes but there is method in this…she gets all the scoops from all the ‘right people ‘ because she does just that…..no real challenge!
CBS paid around $7-$9 million to Oprah Winfrey’s production house Harpo Productions.
For a real taste of the interrogative interview, Andrew “Brillopad” Neil would have reduced these two charlatans to mush!
She’s doubtless conjuring up her script for the next bellyful of tears.
Who didn’t suspect that this was where it would end up.
I blame Hewitt. Genes will out
Latest prediction, divorce in 18 months
Whilst one Royal was commenting on the baby’s skin colour, I was wondering if he would have ginger hair. Is that racist?
Self-centred, self-aggrandising, self-indulgent and playing the race card for money.
Khardashians without a crown.
Sapping its credibility does not help the anti-racist cause. It is just greedy.
It is so sad that people use a race card these days to get what they can’t get in an honest and genuine manner.
I am so proud of them both. They took the dignified route of washing all their dirty linen in public instead of succumbing to the temptation to be trashy and vulgar and maintain their privacy.
So, true. Who needs to be dignified when you can make money trashing your in-laws.
Oprah was a soft interview. No questions about her father, who paid for college, why she only had her mother at the wedding and no other family. The infamous returning her wedding bands via fedex to her first(?) husband…..
This was meant to show Meghan in the best light possible
No intention of watching this – bad enough already! but if they did an interview with Piers Morgan ? – that I would watch !
I’m just longing for the Ali G interview. Gotta be like soon innit!
Is it because you is black?
It wouldn’t last ten minutes let alone two hours. One question they didn’t like and they would be off.
It wasn’t an interview, it was a platform.
Were you watching a different interview from the rest of the world? There was no “trashing” of the in-laws. The interview claimed that the Family’s “civil service” were not supportive in the face of intrusion by a hostile press, or even when the Duchess was suicidal – and the family did not override this inaction. There were also allegations of questions to Harry from an unnamed member of the family, that were at best insensitive.
Not quite “tossing a lit match over her shoulder” as Ms Rosenfield (and perhaps Piers Morgan) would have it.
Easily convinced aren’t you? If you conduct a discursive analysis of the dialogue the underlying theme is the gentle almost apologetic “we really don’t want to do this…” but highly effective character assassination of Harry’s family and The Firm’s administrative infrastructure. Not the sin of commission but one of carefully constructed ‘omission’. Their egregious behaviour has richly earned them contempt and villification. I despise them both!
Are you for real?
You win first prize for comment of the day! Brilliant
You are being ”Ironic”?…
can we not refer to someone who had a career beforehand as Cinderella. It’s obnoxious, almost as obnoxious as this:
Watching from the US, there was a sense not just that Markle was living the dream, but that she was irritating to all the right people (yes, especially the racist ones) in a way that was profoundly, even historically, American.
The only people infatuated with her race were/are the woke racists. She looks a bit like me, so I assumed a mix of some sort. I never thought black until that pointed out and once it was, “okay, and?” was the typical response. It did not stop her from getting acting jobs or much of anything else. To call a working actor an “underdog” is an insult to underdogs everywhere, and it appears that in the interview, she decided to be who she’s always been and who people like the writer have made her – the perpetual put upon victim. Woe is me.
She isn’t any darker skinned than I am and I’m white British with a quarter dash of Italian. Black my @rse. A manipulative, trashy, gold digging, narcissist. Utterly contemptible. As for that tw@t that Hewitt sired on Dianna – utterly brainless. How could he go on TV and talk about his ‘father’ like that? Let’s be clear about something; I’m no fan of royalty. I’d like to see a republic, but the disloyalty of this pair of fools to the family is monstrous.
Of course the uber-narcissist Markle was already estranged from a number of members of her own family, so she is just carrying on as normal.
he looks nothing like hewitt, he looks almost exactly like charles the older he gets.
Narcissism never wins. It slowly destroys everything it comes into contact with.
Being as Harry has now well and truly flipped the bird and ‘exited’ centre stage whilst burning every bridge behind him, will HM Govt get back all the public cash spent on the ungrateful Prince?
“The ungrateful Prince”
That’s quite a term, isn’t it
Only if such as this brain-dead, obedient ‘dog’ patiently awaiting more strokes, has any intelligent concept of gratitude. Suspect he does not.
On the subject of the completely eclipsed Prince, he doesn’t look happy, does he? He looks blotchy, cross, dead eyed and miserable. I suspect he’s begun to realise what being hitched to his wife actually involves – a non-stop resentathon designed to screw money and status out of his family by means of blackmailing them with increased levels of scandal.
It appears she’s much cleverer than he is and this is just dawning on him.
Not sure about being more clever. More devious – absolutely.
Oh she is clever alright. She went from b-list actress to duchess of montecito
Yep! And since money grabbing is pretty hard these days, she is looking for other ways, well old ways actually; bad acting!
But she can’t resist boasting about how she got married before she got married, with just Harry, the Archbishop and her. If anyone can bear to rewind to that part, you will notice Harry’s incredulous face at the fairy tale she dared to tell. He must be beyond caring.
yes, saying such easily disprovable things is always a mistake.
There were a number of occasions when Meghan’s utterances rang hollow, but this one stood out – in the UK, it’s not possible to “get married” with just a priest (even the Archbishop of Canterbury) present to officiate – the law requires witnesses, and banns to be published. Seems from subsequent investigation that *if it happened* it was merely an exchange of vows. Demonstrates that Meghan has a very approximate use of words when it suits her – but a *very* specific form of words similarly (the elegantly phrased allusion to racism in respect of her offspring’s potential skin colour, designed to imply the worst without being specific enough for its veracity to be tested. Bear in mind she admitted that she wasn’t even present for the alleged offensive remark).
Possibly because Harry, and the Archbishop, knew the Windsor Castle ceremony would have been illegal under British Law, and the first was purely an exchange of vows.
manipulative &cunning does NOT equal =Clever.. she might have read ‘Machiavelli’ thinking he wore suits”? Geditt!! Prince harry has said at least 3 times since his Afghanistan Tours he hates Britain,Probably finish up in Canada,in an igloo?..
she is clever without being intelligent; they don’t have a shred of wisdom between them.
Children’s story.
‘Ungrateful Prince’, yes, apt. It might be improved by putting the word ‘stupid’ in front of it.
HMG has seen the Royal Bank of Sussex renamed and the disappearance from our high streets of the familiar symbol of Prince Andrew’s Cross. Whatever next in these exciting times??
Especially the part of wanting to restore his relation with dad and brother implicate not only that he is ungrateful but that he is also very selfcentred and slow in uptake of his consequences.
You seem… angry with the couple, for some reason. Is the tabloid groupthink really so irresistible?
Maybe if you want to undo everything related to Harry you’d like to kill any of the people he saved on rescue missions in Afghanistan, recovering injured troops?
The level of vitriol against this couple is truly appalling. Why not find something serious to get outraged by – like the massacres in the Yemen, or the military coup in Myanmar, or China’s repression in Hong Kong and of the Uighur people in their own country?
The vitriol might be connected to two of the world’s most privileged people and multi millionaires spending two hours whining about their hard life to a billionaire (who could presumably understand their pain) when back on planet earth people are dieing in drovesand other lose friends, relatives and livelihoods in the worst crisis the world has seen since the second world war. Getting estranged from one family, if not a tragedy, might be regarded as unfortunate alienating two might be considered more than a coincidence.
You’re off-topic, guano pate!
Who beyond the usual metro bubbles will believe what that plastic PR product, “Meghan Markle”, has got to say? And given the vagueness and paucity of her “accusations”, who will care? The only problem is that, backed by the Hollywood / Woke tendency, with tendrils of infiltration all over the world, the wretched woman will be able to snipe at the crown for some time to come – and since the monarchy is so central to Britain, that is unfortunate. To those who say, OK then – abolish the monarchy, the only reply can be: don’t be so stupid. You saw what happened when Blair ripped apart the office of Lord Chancellor – admin chaos for ages. Multiply that by a factor of one thousand when it comes to plucking down the throne. If the monarchy goes, it should not be done under Yankee / PC pressures like this. Indeed, the clear moves being made against it should inspire resistance on the grand scale. The only question is: where is “Boris” Johnson in all this? Why has he left the Queen to twirl in the storm unprotected? Why doesn’t he come out fighting on her behalf? Or is he skulking in his wind powered fridge?
The question about Boris recalls what Burke said about Marie-Antoinette. Boris is an archetype of a politician.. Without convictions, he goes with the wind. He tossed a coin at the time of Brexist and gave up “leave”. He could have gone the other way. He will leave the Queen to fend for herself.
Spot on. Although his type of politician is – or used to be – far less common in Britain than in other countries. He recalls the men of the later third republic in France: transient opinions? check. Rackety private life, plus mistress? Check. Willingness to dish his former allies? Check, check, check. Total absence of spine? Certainly. Ability to puff himself out in the semblance of a principled man to take in a crowd of habitual voters? Of course. We used to do rather better than that, did we not?
Yes, we did.
Absolutely. Well said.
And the scary thing is that he was the best option as PM at the last election. Voted for the Tory & thus mr. moral vacuum because the alternatives were (a) incapable of changing their mind or (b) overwhelmed by delusions of grandeur.
Same here. It’s a parody of democracy – not, what vision of the future do you support, but which clown / crook / cretin do you wish to keep out? And FPTP offers all of them a prop to this low argument. On the other hand, PR rapidly degenerates into horse-trading and permanent liberalism – but I’m beginning to think it’s a better bet…
PR would be good as long as local accountability is maintained – list based PR just makes cronyism worse by rewarding following of the party line.
Moving the Lords to a PR basis (still appointed rather than elected) would be a good compromise, enabling shonky legislation to be blocked.
Lords need Abolishing &replaced with Two term 200 Senate with As Many independents as possible..Same Paid mayors,GLA,Welsh Assembly,Scottish All regional asemblies set up by major &Blair
Take it from me, living in New Zealand, it isn’t. Be careful what you wish for. Our world famous prime minister was put into office by a man whose party won 7% of the vote, and had a grudge against the party that won the most votes. If you think that is a recipe for good government, think again.
In retrospect it’s not clear you made the right choice. I’d say “we” except that the Tories didn’t bother to field a candidate where I live.
I fear the quality of the politicians of the Victorian and post-Victorian age are gone.
Agree. But who can really stand up for the Queen and monarchy? I mean, effectively? Markle is a nobody next to Diana, who really did put her compassion and her life on the line in her campaign against land mines and who may have paid for her commitment with her own life (she was due to address a major international conference just weeks after her own demise; very convenient, to say the least, for those who didn’t want to hear anymore about landmines). I might take Markle seriously if she actually picked up the baton that Diana dropped and got out there to see for heself and bring internatinal attention to children injured by landmines, or to the bombing and starvation of children in Yemen—just a couple of ideas for her handlers . . .
But to get back to the main point, ironically, the person best-placed to defend the monarchy was Diana. Charles really blew that one. Maybe Wills and Kate can kind of make it work, but not so sure, despite the obvious grooming of Kate (from what I see on the covers of supermarket weeklies here in the States) to be a kind of Diana clone, but with even more babies (shades of Victoria). The nation’s mom . . . ? To me her face looks suburban and hard and not destined to age regally, but I’m sure she is a nice girl. Just as clever at snagging her man as Markle was!! More power to her for that!
Markle met and married Harry in less than 2 years.
Kate and William knew each other at Uni, and she waited 9 years before saying ‘Yes’. A sensible woman who made sure that not only did she understand her duties, but that she was able to carry them out. Unlike Meghan who, it would seem, was after marrying Harry as quickly as she could.
But so right that Diana walked the talk, over AIDS, landmines and so much more, and most of the AIDS work was done quietly, below the radar.
All I have seen of H and M is self pity and talk.
Are you joking? Diana’s
workwas donequietly, below the radar? Diana was determined to present herself as the sad victim of Charles and the royal system. Harry and his horrible wife are just continuing her playbook, with the added unsubstantiated allegations of racism. DI loved being photographed and courted the press non stop. Her ‘work’ was secondary to that. And don’t be riduculous, she was in no danger in the (cleared) landmine zone.Perhaps you don’t know (don’t want to know) that Diana had been visiting the Lighthouse centre un-announced at night, with no photographers present. That didn’t come out until later.
As for the landmines. There is no such thing as ‘cleared’ areas. Some are still left – and whether you like her or not her actions got the world aware and doing something about it.
What exactly has Meghan done to warrant her claim to compassion?
Yes – I’m no fan of royalty, but that is true. I also know someone with a severely disabled child that she used to visit quietly and below the radar.
Congratulations on damning with faint praise.
Boris has become hostage to his own woke princess…
Who definitely needs reining in.
who elected Carrie simmonds?/.with A ”Green” taste for spending £200,000 of taxpayers money on Yet another refurbishment of Number 11, cameron spent £70,000 on a new kitchen for number 11…
Does Johnson have anything to gain by supporting OUR Queen? If not, he will remain silent.
I assume he thinks the woman is beneath contempt and certainly not worth an official reply by himself or the palace. I’d agree. If the interview has gone down well in the US, I’m surprised. I doubt it will here.
It will go down with the sort of whiny leftist professional victim type. With everyone else, not so much.
There should be no reply by anyone. None of it was worth replying to. It speaks for itself.
Yes – I heard the loathsome Diane Abbot whining on about the foul racism of this country this morning on Radio 4. I had to turn it off (again).
The country is so racist that we probably have more mixed race marriages and partnerships than any other country in the world.
They were vague, I suggest, on the advice of her, CBS’s and Winfrey’s lawyers lest they be faced with either litigation or a factual rebuttal.
Boris Johnson has said that will not involve himself …unless the BBC or opinion polls demand that he should, then he will do a U turn.
One of the problems with Woke is that it gives no allowance for humanity. Had I or one of my siblings married someone of colour. our parents, uncles and aunts would have joked about what shade the offspring would show.
Quite. It’s a generational thing. I can’t help wondering whether the anonymous member of the royal family was dear old Edinburgh himself – and that she daren’t finger the old boy just now because he’s been so ill. At any event, to call such speculations “racist”, to maunder on as if they equated with some brutal mugging – as carried out by “BLM” or so-called “Anti-fa”, for example, is nothing but self-serving disproportion and hysteria. I almost look forward to our Sino-Islamic future; it will be better than the miserable, cynical, distorted, unbalanced, unreal world of the declining west.
It is within families of color that the speculations are the most lively.
Oh, come on! That’s BS, and you know it! You know nothing about “families of colour.” LOL!
Do I not?
Not in mine. English, Italian, Pakistani, Irish and Russian. That is just my immediate family.
In the natural course of vents “Dear old Edinburgh” will pass on quite soon and she can legally libel the dead with impunity. Just wait for it.
Oh, I’ve no doubt she’ll put the boot in any way she can, aided and abetted by our media class, natch…
Another problem is that the woke only see group status. It’s curious how her white half, very much like Hallie Berry’s or Alicia Keys’ or Barack Obama’s, is dismissed, not even a footnote. The worst part, however, is the wokeltarian’s inability to acknowledge that society has changed; what might have been notable in the 60s barely generates a blip today, which the woke cannot tolerate. By god, you will notice and you will be made to care.
Sounds just like a colonizer.
It’s 2021. You may want to adjust your calendar.
Dismantle the Commonwealth.
You are apparently not aware it is voluntary to join.
And countries have joined that were not part of the empire.
South Africa rejoined under Mandela after being kicked out in the apartheid era.
Not kicked out- but SAfrica chose to leave- after a referendum for a republic in which only the ‘white’ electorate could vote.
True – I was too lazy to look it up to confirm!
Mozambique joined because it admired British Democracy after a sojourn with Marxism
Don’t tell the First Nation tribes this.
Kindly mind your own business. The Commonwealth countries have CHOSEN their own designation. Enough petty interference.
singe King Phillips beard again…Sir francis Drake
It is the Monarch as Head of State that some ex-colonies/protectorates are discussing, not the Commonwealth which is what it says on the tin.
You’re saying that as if there was anything wrong with being a coloniser.
Have you ever asked yourself what the Romans did for us?
Yes, Obama has never talked much about his white half tho’ they brought him up and paid for his education. Admittedly, the black side shows more.
What does Obama have to do with Meghan?
Both are white. As well as black.
They seem to have their whiteness an useless attribute to be kept secret.
Yes I have noticed this about ethnic minorities…..I would like to ask them/someone why everyone of them who are mixed race defend the black side and don’t acknowledge their white roots…….i
If you watch any interview etc there appears to be a lot more resentment of white people from mixed race than from fully ethnic people. (Apologies if that is the wrong terminology).
Oh I don’t know. Those British mixed race kids like Dame Kelly Holmes always seem to orientate towards the white side of their ethnicity for the simple reason that most of their black fathers deserted them when they were babies and they were brought up by their white mum and her white family.
Yep Dame Kelly is also estranged from her father…
Because identifying as “black” is trendy. 20 years ago it would have been deeply insulting to a mixed race person to be called black when they were clearly biracial. Now it is deemed insulting to correctly & politely state that they are not black if they have one white parent. Which, incidentally, nobody cares about in the first place. Absolutely crazy. The desperate need to find offence and to be included in the “victim of discrimination chart” has reached epic levels. These people are deeply asinine and damaging because cases of true racial discrimination then get thrown in the same pot as the “perpetually offended”. HOW is this helpful in building a better,fairer, kinder world? “Peter and the Wolf” should really be compulsory reading for these SJW.
Well said.
Michaela thank you for your response…. I can fully see where you are coming from.
There’s no such thing as ‘wrong terminology’. The ‘right’ terminology changes with the wind. I am seventy this week. As a boy my mother scolded me for remarking that I had a new friend who was a black boy. She said that was impolite and I must call him coloured…. It seems funny now, but she was very keen not to upset anyone. Of course then you had to say black. Now I think the term is ‘people of colour’, but this is all utter drivel. I can even remember my grandmother who was born in 1896, looking out of her window in the 1960s at the then unusual sight here, of a black gentleman walking down the street. She had the beginnings of dementia then, and she sighed and said, ‘poor fellow’, shaking her head with a genuine compassion. I’m not sure what she was thinking, but it was entirely benign and well meaning.
I’m confused. Can you explain the joke to me?
He means, you’re living in the mental past. Isn’t his comment clear to you? Or are you living in a mental fog also?
Is your name David Platzer?
Talking in a light-hearted, flippant way as people did about their relations in generations past when things were not taken so earnestly as they are now.
I understand the curiosity of what a baby will look.
Meghan said the tone was off, which eludes to colorist comments that her and Harry uncomfortable.
Will the kid have dad’s big ears or be as ginger as her mother? If the family enjoys teasing they might talk about it.
We don’t know the exact exchange that occurred about Archie’a skin color.
Considering skin color is attached to very negative real-world implications, open speculation is best left on the table, especially if there’s not a good relationship between those who said it and Meghan and Harry.
Indeed, a lot of legislation, pretty much the whole education system, the media etc. is stacked in favour of the blacks in much of the “western” world – the world blacks mass-migrated to without the original inhabitants’ consent.
But i somehow doubt that’s what you had in mind when you typed that.
Meghan wasn’t there so knows nothing about the “tone”.
Would that be the colour tone?
Indeed, and I’m sure there was also speculation about whether the child would have his mothers ski jump nose, his fathers red hair or his grandad’s jug ears. Just as happens in every family expecting a new baby.
Because you clearly have no in-laws or close relationships with people of color:
Skin color has a major even lethal way someone navigates their life, comparing speculation on hair color to skin color is a false equivalency in terms of controversial.
Say it behind close doors in one thing. Saying it in front of the parents is another.
I mean don’t think people get harassed by the police for driving while ginger.
We have no knowledge of the tone of these comments. You’re just filling in gaps with your own bias.
And you’re not?
What skin colour would you say Meghan has anyway? In the above photo she looks more Thai than black. She’s on her third or fourth nose and her second set of lips. Google “young meghan markle photos” and you see someone who looks as much like her adult self as Michael Jackson did.
She comes across as wanting to look as white as possible while milking being partly black for all it’s worth.
She is an utterly toxic and obnoxious parvenue.
At first, I genuinely thought she was Mediterranean, possibly related to Philips family.
Same here
Prince Philip‘s family is Danish/German…
And Greek.
From what i have read elsewhere, she identified on her early CV as ‘Caucasian with Italian ancestry’ so you have hit the mark.
Much easier to monetise black.
So sad this woman, wanting to be someone but not succeeding because every rational thinking person sees her indeed as toxic and wanting to unsettle. Poor Harry, burning bridges over such a woman.
Maybe they are all ubersensitive because of the ongoing speculations as to Harry’s paternal DNA.
Nah, Diana’s affair with Hewitt didn’t happen until after Harry was born. Google the dates
You’re kidding. Look at the photo of the young Hewitt and Harry. I don’t care when the main Hewitt/Diana affair happened. There WAS a coupling before Harry was born.
then why is he a carbon copy of charles now?
I wasn’t even aware she was supposed to be black until she told us. Wasn’t very interested but she looked like she might come from a Mediterranean country.
I can see that. She is very light-skinned which makes her racially ambiguous.
For some reason though, gingers do get bullied in the school yard
Do they get shot by police?
If they are criminals / suspects resisting arrest, yes.
Your point?
Usually in the UK they get a stern talking to by an unarmed police officer.
And there’s the difference between the US and the UK.
“If” being the key word.
If you’re making an argument that despite being 14% of the US population, Black Americans are inherently more criminal is this why the are disproportionately stopped by police or jailed, and it’s not racial bias, then we’re done here.
Don’t insert the word “inherently” in there, thereby moving the goalposts. Blacks (Americans, British, French, Swedish, etc. etc.) ARE more criminal than the rest, no ifs and buts about that. Inherently or not, doesn’t matter.
Racists arguments are unoriginal and dull.
What a clever riposte.
LOL
Are you actually saying that blacks are not more criminal than the rest? Bless.
Thought it might have taken a little more effort before that card was pulled. No doubt it will make a few bob for Markle but I doubt it cuts much ice in this forum.
These are facts my dear, unpalatable, but facts nonetheless.
I would say that I feel an urgent need to yawn when racist arguments are considered unoriginal and dull. What about people who talk about race card no matter where or when?
more non-blacks are shot by police than blacks and by quite a margin. Will you be constructing more straw men today?
Are you going to keep parroting tired arguments that have been literally refuted a long time ago?
Simply asserting that something has been refuted is not the same as actually refuting it
Roughly 75% of civilians killed by police officers are NOT black. If you can refute that, go ahead.
I never made such a claim.
You’re arguing with yourself.
is someone writing things like this on your behalf? Otherwise, you made the claim.
Linnette Gallego
55 minutes ago
Reply to Alex Lekas
Are you going to keep parroting tired arguments that have been literally refuted a long time ago?
85% in UK.
In the UK 85% of deaths in custody happen to white people.
Are you actually claiming that no one with red hair has ever been shot by police?
Whatever happens in America, has no bearing on this country. Deaths in custody here are vastly on the white side. If you don’t know that, you are ignorant of the facts.
85% of deaths in UK police custody are white people.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1122775/deaths-in-police-custody-in-the-uk-2019-by-ethnicity/
Yes they do and why is this considered acceptable? I have a three-year-old granddaughter and hope her life is not blighted by negativity due to her hair colour.
I totally disagree with you . In case you have not seen my previous post I have an Italian father, English mother, Pakistani husband and Russian daughter in law and an Irish Grandma.
Skin colour has never been discussed.
Meghan is a Black biracial American. It’s taboo in the US.
Meghan is American and she finds offensive. Also you don’t know the tone of the comments.
Telling someone that they shouldn’t be offended about something taboo in their own culture is self-centered.
Did you read? Half English half Sicilian.
Do you read? I’m talking about Meghan
Are you enquiring about her surname, or what? That’s quite rude.
Oh, a ninja-edit… i see.
Snitching on your family on a public forum is completely taboo in my view of family ethics. Meghan and Harry’s behaviour offends me deeply. Thank you for understanding Linette that most of us consider it the unforgivable betrayal. Don’t wash you dirty laundry in public is pretty firm rule on this side of the Atlantic.
Do you understand the meaning of the word taboo. Something like 10% of American marriages are biracial. That is not a taboo in any shape or form
Being half black is taboo in the US?
I can understand that the race card issue is real and painfull. We must try to keep a balance in matters though. I am truly taken aback by people getting so fired up by the element race card in this matter. Some young couple blurts things out about skin tone. But is their narrative the truth? Has it yet been proven that is was actually said? No. It is a one sided narrative. So as most advocates of the devil say; no one is guilty unless proven. To me diva Meghan seems to throw in everything to being able to throw an enormous heap of dirt at a number of people who are really old and that is pretty sad actually. But may be I am completely wrong about is all. All monarchies have their issues and may be we as tax payers should stand up. But should you do that by throwing dirt or putting out the dirty laundry?
She IS NOT BLACK.
If she was of Mediterranean origin she would be regarded as being rather pale skinned. My great grand parents on one side were Italian. I am far ‘blacker’ than she is. I’m white British.
it most certainly is not ‘taboo’ if you have watched any amount of American television and commercials. do you actually live here?
As are you
Explain
WHICH colour? Yellow, red, or? Spell it out, blekk.
If the blacks are so mentally inept and unequipped to coexist with other ‘colours’, then they should perhaps keep to their own company in their own natural habitats instead of flooding into other continents en masse.
Thankfully not ALL blacks are like that though, there are quite a few eminently bright and decent ones among them.
Yawn
We don’t actually even know that there were such comments.
If he turns out to have some grey matter that will seem suspicious since neither of his parents have.
neither…has
Charles isn’t his grand dad. James Hewitt is.
absolutely right. It was probably said in jest, not as a racist statement. I assume the culprit probably was Prince Philip. We all wonder what hair colour, nose shape, character will emerge, especially having your first baby…
Why probably? We don’t know. If Meghan and Harry are saying they found it off, why is their perception presumed invalid?
Because voicing such ‘perceptions‘ is crass, tasteless, classless. Whinging and snivelling are deeply distasteful traits, not only for royals but for any society with a modicum of self-respect. But if you’re whinging about ‘microaggressions’ while situated in the the trimmings of royalty, your whining is a disgrace for the entire country.
We don’t even know that it happened, do we?
To a loving family it’s irrelevant, a mere talking point as much as how tall or short a child might be. I speak with some experience, having a beautiful grandchild who is of mixed race.
……and of course its all complete bollox, I can assure you that apart from a few of the usual twitter and other social media types, who seem to spend all their time being agitated over pretty much everything, no one else really a flying four x over any of this.
yes well 17 mil in the US watched it…
“Roll up, roll up, folks, for the new great comedy act: Ginger and Whinger, in which two very rich people, both of them spoiled in childhood, both ultra-celebrities, courted and caressed by Hollywood and everyone else dealing in fake values, claim they are among the world’s greatest victims in their aim to go sobbing all the way to the bank.”
‘It’s a scream! Victor Meldrew, move aside. This couple has taken your crown’ (Weekly Herald).
‘I tried to look on dispassionately and sympathising but could not keep it up. Half-way through I was rolling on the floor laughing’ (Morning Standard).
‘This is as funny as the best of Morecambe and Wise. Not to be missed’ (Daily Echo).
‘ The royal couple’s tragedy was so moving, I laughed till I had to send my pants to the cleaner’s’ (Adrian Snort, chief arts critic of the Mercury).
‘Holes the well-worn tired old “Poor little rich girl” act with a giant torpedo amidships’ (Variety).
‘Contrary to report, Meghan is a good actress and her tears were very well done. They caused my wife to weep too, from hysterical laughter’ (The Hesperus).
There is something vaguely obscene about Americans, without doubt the most racist country in the western World, lecturing the Royal Family – arguably the greatest supporters and proponents of the Commonwealth, on matters of race, the more so when delivered in the self-serving interests of a parvenu, opportunist, charlatan, who in the words of even her best friends would attend the opening of an envelope if it gave her some column inches.
There is something vaguely obscene about Americans, without doubt the most racist country in the western World, lecturing the Royal Family
That may be one of the most ignorant things ever read on these pages, made doubly so by the oh-so-self-assured “without doubt” clause. The country is so racist that brown and black people the world over quite literally risk their lives in order to get here.
Markle may well be what you say but the need to indict a whole nation for a single person says more about you than her.
As they do to the UK also
They literally try to swim across the English Channel to get here and arrive by the thousands these days in hopeless rubber boats having crossed the busiest seaway on the planet on the way.
Exactly, same in the UK, also a contender for the ‘most racist country in the western World’, where every Taran, Dhalip and Hamid cross a dozen countries to get to. Of course everyone knows we are probably among the most tolerant and non racist.
Do you have any close relationships with a Taran, Dhalip, and Hamid?
I notice you ask question but don’t reply to answers, particularly when they don’t suit your narrative.
People immigrate to the US because military intervention and CIA deposing of elected presidents in their own countries, destabilizing vulnerable regions of the world.
Just like how the UK and EU countries did, when they collectively colonized most of the world.
Made it unfit to live where they are. You do realize that the comforts of the UK, US, and EU are at the expense of other countries they exploit. Like there’s consequences to behavior.
Do you read books with chapters?
My son lives in the States and has a black girlfriend, whose parents came from Sierra Leone. Nothing to do with the CIA destabilising the country. They were hoping for a better life in the US. You really live on a conspiracy planet.
Your one specific situation obviously nullifies overall reasons why Black and Brown people from desperate counties flee to the US. Or advanced degrees in political science and international affairs.
Colonization didn’t create lingering impacts on Africa or other colonized countries.
Every military intervention, economical, and political decision made by powerful countries in the world is made in isolation. There’s no cause and effect.
Obviously it’s not all about the US but wealth is concentrated in the white West and not by accident.
Her one situation nullifies the sweeping statement in your comment.
And if you need any more, I know a bunch of Brazilians, Indians and South African who emigrated to the US or Canada for economic reasons.
It’s called trends, Mark. Trends don’t include everyone’s reasoning.
Please explain…
Quite a few Cornish, Irish, Welsh and Scots etc too. When GB was by all historical accounts the most powerful country on the planet. Wonder what drove them?
One of …. I believe this to be fair factual claim of GB power late 19th century.
“but wealth is concentrated in the white West and not by accident.”
No – that is certainly true. It is concentrated where it is because of the ability, ingenuity and hard work of the people who made it so. Where people are stupid and feckless, idle and corrupt it is less pleasant. The nations of Africa have been entirely independent of colonial influence for sixty or more years. Countries such as Ethiopia were never colonised at all, They have been sent vast amounts of aid and development funding, but all of them are more or less failed states. Rhodesia was one of teh most productive and wealthy states in Africa at the time it fell under the rule of its own people. In thirty or so years its people were starving.
Why?
Have you ever done any (voluntary)jobs in Africa?.Then you would know that not by accident but by social geografic and natural circumstances the continent lacks sufficient funds.
Is there some military intervention the US is engaging in in Mexico, because I’m not aware of it. Maybe we’re engaged in numerous African nations that you can point to. Ironically, the latter group manages to do quite well in the States while the native-born minorities complain of perpetual racism.
Do you read books with chapters?
When someone resorts to childish insults, no matter how clever they believe those insults to be, it’s to cover for their lack of argument. You didn’t have to do that; what preceded this line was ample evidence that you had no argument to make in the first place.
If you are genuinely interested in US military and CIA intervention and how it’s effects destabilized regions of the world, you could perform a simple Google search. Lots of declassified information taught in children’s school textbooks. Otherwise my consulting fee is $110 an hour.
“When someone resorts to childish insults”
And what do you call resorting to nullifying lived experiences of people you can never experience and positioning oneself as the expert to justify your worldview?
Is that barometer of maturity and adulthood?
A bit rich considering you just nullified the lived experience of Stephanie Surface & her family.
Read below since you and Alex are on par with reading comprehension skills.
Nice ad hom you’ve got there!
And what do you call resorting to nullifying lived experiences of people you can never experience and positioning oneself as the expert to justify your worldview?
That is a good question for you to ponder since you did that very thing with me and some others. Projection is a marginal improvement over ad hominem, but it is far from being a substantive argument.
Where did I specifically make a claim about why her daughter-in-law came to the US thus nullifying her own specific reasons?
Don’t be so obtuse to twist what I said into asserting that everyone immigrates to the US because of desperation.
It’s call trends and research, Alex. It’s called trends and research.
Did you know that when people immigrate to the US, immigration asks the reasons for leaving and all of this information is gathered?
And then analysts and historians and other experts can trace trends to political strife that the US and/or other powerful counties has their hands in at minimum. The white West is wealthy and not by acccident.
Don’t be so obtuse to twist what I said into asserting that everyone immigrates to the US because of desperation.
taking something I never said and claiming it as “asserting” sounds a bit like, well, twisting. You did the same with Stephanie, who presented anecdotal evidence of experience in her family which is echoed by a lot of others.
It’s amazing that for such a horrible place, the US is a magnet for people the world over. We’ve had foreign adventures. And? You deny others of agency when seeking to blame America first.
You speak for nobody and nothing. We see the truth everyday as it works next to us, loves us, lives with us. You will never divide us or defeat us.
Read above.
California has a history of flying people in from Mexico for fruit picking – and they have seen a better life in California. But they still exist as a sub-class, like a lower caste in India.
To leave one’s homeland for economic gain yet be marginalized in the new…terrible.
Like I said, to paraphrase Mr T, possibly because even with all its issues the US is a far better than the countries where they originate and no you cannot blame the US, UK and Europe for that.
I really wonder what your origins are since you seem to be of full knowledge of the history of the UK as well as the entire EU( note by the way that the EU is something different than Europe). It comes accross as agressive and a desperate way of making your point. Apart from it sounding like a huge conspiracy. So what is your aim in the discussion – to be taken for real?
Enligthen me, what do all these comments actually have to do with Harry’s and Meghan’s interview? And as far as I know the country I live in, does not exploit other countries. I therefore ask you to stick to the facts and not to some sort of conspiracy theories you personally have about Europe. I find it pretty offensive and rude to generalize in such a matter.
What a hoot! This tiny island was only able to colonise these places because they were backward and savage despot kingdoms. We were only able to run a slave trade in the seventeenth and eighteenth century because for hundreds of generations African despots most profitable enterprise was the catching of slaves and trading them. We – the wicked British were very late to that party, reprehensible as it may be that we had anything to do with it long, long before any of us were alive. But very soon after the turn of the nineteenth century, the wicked colonising Royal navy spent about thirty years patrolling the Atlantic Ocean intercepting slave ships and freeing their prisoners. Some thousands of British sailors lost their lives in that enterprise. Of course the historical revisionist grievance mongers such as yourself never mention that.
NO EUROPEAN SLAVE TRADER WAS EVER THE ONE WHO FIRST ENSLAVED AN AFRICAN. SLAVERY WAS ENDEMIC IN AFRICA AND IT STILL IS. THE BRITISH BOUGHT SLAVES FROM AFRICAN SLAVE TRADERS, I capitalise the above for emphasis because you are plainly rather stupid and there is a slight chance you may take it in if I make it stand out for you.
Bravo. Brave and true and a breath of fresh air amid the foetid halitosis of the neo-Marxist long march.
Look Chum Arabs introduced slavery into Africa and middle East. Barbary Pirates Also stole 2 million White People for slavery in early c17 ..The only exploiters were people of colour
I have read most of your posts here and you appear to be one the most ignorant posters I have ever come across. Clearly, history and current affairs are a foreign land toyou.
But, as you know, the US is not the same all over.
In the northeast life is similar to Europe – races mix and keep apart, everybody speaks English and many speak a second language at home. There is California which is hugely Hispanic because of it proximity to Mexico and the habit of bringing in people to pick the fruit. Then there is the small-town USA which, in my experience, is very, very racist.
The life, though, is much better than life in the ME and Africa – so that’s why refugees arrive in their thousands.
To paraphrase Mr T, possibly because even with all its issues the US is a far better than the countries where they originate
America the most racist country in the world? Ever been to China or Japan? Did you see a single black face? Anywhere in the Middle East? Spend some time in the UAE observing the Pakistani and Bangladeshi workers slaving in 50 degree heat or the philipino maids being yelled at by their Arab mistresses and get some perspective…
Why? Is there a competition?
Linnette-may i call you that?-you seem to be very facetious and not a little rude in your comments. I fear you will never prevail against even the weakest argument using the angry language of the lowest denominator. Just saying.
You do have a way with words!
Brilliant summing up sir. Loved that.
as an american i can honestly refute that. if we were so racist why are there so many trying to cross into the country illegally, which under idiot biden is reaching crisis status? we also have many many africans and asians. anglos are about to be overtaken and then we will see what that result will be but i suspect it won’t be everyone singing kumbaya around a campfire.
Actress marries into one of the most famous families on the planet, to a man whose mother died in terrible circumstances and she didn’t even do any research about the Royal family? The work involved? The problems Diana had? Didn’t talk to Kate about it (who waited 9 years before she felt prepared for it all)? So I wonder how she prepares for her acting roles if she does zero background work.
And poor little rich boy can only live in a mansion because his mother left him money. They resigned from the Company they were supposed to be working for – but still expected to get paid?
Seriously?
I agree, although I suspect Meghan thought she could breeze in, glam her way through and change the bits she didn’t like. I suspect consultation isn’t her thing, she’s on transmit not receive. Also, Meghan and Harry may have been drawn together partly by miserable childhoods but in my book, that means they are signally ill-equipped to support each other; it’s called clinging to the wreckage
Apparently Meghan found it ‘almost unsurvivable’ to live in palaces, fly on private jets, be chauffeured through cheering crowds and have to learn to curtsey. But I’m saving my compassion for Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, who has spent the past five years in detention in Iran and who still doesn’t know if she will be freed and allowed to come back to the UK and be with her husband and daughter. How survivable is that?
Great point…what a comparison..
Iranian prison vs Frogmore Cottage
She meant psychologically and emotionally – not literally and you know this.
My friends said the same thing when I quit a high-paying job because of the hostile environment.
Money and comfort become worthless when you have to put up with BS and marginalization.
But maybe you hadn’t had either experience.
If she’s so psychologically and emotionally undeveloped (frankly, it’s psychological / emotional retardation) that she cannot cope with that, then at the very least she shouldn’t try to pin the blame on others. Oh wait, that would require at least a trace of psychological maturity, which she doesn’t possess to start with.
You’ve got it upside down. She’s a mature person trapped on a Walt Disney stage, never allowed to be out of character. The stage and the role are essentially insipid, but are an essential part of an immensely profitable tourist industry.
You mean on Winfrey’s Woke Circus? That’s a stage she chose for herself – and she appears very much in character on it -, so why the whinge?
If there was any bathos or cultural cliche’, it came from Oprah. Meghan was a duchess, dignified, unresentful, and thoughtful. Like a good mother her cardinal issue was their refusal to extend palace protection to her child.
Actually I think I’m in love with her now.
You sure you it wasn’t one of Lucy Worsley’s programmes about the Stuarts you watched?
Markle as a “duchess” or “dignified” – oh dear. Maybe in a Christmas panto, but they were all cancelled because of the covid.
I sense you’re prejudiced … against Merkans, …so am I; but I’ve watched New Tricks over so many times during the lockdown, I consider myself every bit the equal of a Sandra Pullman or Jack Alford in recognizing a liar. Mother Meghan was not one. And I defy anyone of you to detect a false or malicious note.
I consider myself a bigger man for it.
Wow, talking about prejudices…. Your last words in which you so bravely defy, say it all.
How about when she claimed that she got married before the official marriage ? Did you believe that fairy tale ?
Are you a duchess when you throw mud at an institution that is mostly represented by a very old monarch? Are you dignified when you shed fake tears in the face of Oprah? Wow, what a revelation for me! But then again I am a Dutch 50+ person, so what do I know?
“Mature” and “Markle” just cannot appear in the same sentence unless it’s a negative.
Hear, hear!
The irony is too much.
I find it difficult to believe that someone with your intelligence ever had a high-paying job. Or perhaps by high paying you mean $20 per hour?
I wonder who was responsible for the hostile environment, experiencing your somewhat unfounded and very agressive comments on the topic.
I give it another year before divorce.
I said this when they got married, it won’t last!
Nope. He is stuck now I’m his gilded cage. Check. Mate
Until he is no longer useful or makes the wrong move
I imagine her calculating how much money the second divorce exposes would make her when the time comes.
Was it the Charles and Diana wedding that the Independent relegated to one para on an inside page? I think I’ll do the same with the Markles. Of course she was suicidal. She had to give soapy Oprah something. The interview was all about Oprah just as the Diana interview was all about Martin Bashir.
Anyone who threatens suicide in this way is no more than whining, self-regarding, adolescent bully. It’s a serious subject and a terrible thing; NOT a rhetorical device for a disappointed gold digger.
There is a difference between threatening suicide, and admitting to suicidal feelings (particularly in the context of a sustained campaign of press attacks).
What attacks? Before she pressed the nuclear button she had the slavish adulation of every tabloid. Don’t bother proffering such flimsy, mendacious excuses here.
When I read this, I imagined thin pale cracked lips and spittle on the kitchen table. It’s so dramatically worded.
that says more about you that Simon.
Have you noticed how routinely “ad hom” and picky about words the lefties are? They’ve given up on argument completely – it’s 100% abuse, now. Oh well.
Frankly, i don’t think they had any argument to begin with. Not the wokery leftists anyway, and the unwoke left have deserted to the right.
You wouldn’t want to know what do i imagine when i read your rants. It’s neither pretty, nor flattering.
I’ll cry into my pillow tonight.
Good.
Yes, of course, you do. It’s how children react to ideas not aligned with their own. Most of us manage to outgrow that phase in life and to accept that not everyone believes everything that we do, and that it’s okay if they don’t.
Belief is not objective truth.
Neither of us really know enough knowledge to have any opinion about.
I’m not arguing for what is really is happening in all of this.
I’m disputing claims of which people lack reasonable knowledge to form any real opinion on.
Neither of us has any idea about the extent of others’ knowledge. If you want to disagree with someone, have at it. That’s what these boards are for, but it’s a bit presumptuous to assume that no one has a clue as to what they’re talking about.
Wow, some parts of the entries are vicious! I wonder how come people get so agressive. Is it because most of your remarks are unfounded and may be a tiny bit arrogant?
Oh Linnette I can’t decide if it’s bitterness that assaults you or that you are like most ‘progressive’ people today who despite their protestations that they yearn for good in the world, actually they seem to hate everything and everyone.
Hey wannabe Facebook buddy!
Thank you for your offer but I prefer to stay with the grown ups.
You seem to have strong ones hateful opinions about total strangers lives that neither you nor I have any real reasonable knowledge to formulate any valuable opinion.
I make no claims. I merely dismantle bad arguments.
If that’s what you want to believe about yourself, feel free. You’re perfectly entitled to your delusional self-soothing mechanisms and belief systems, nobody is trying to deprive you of them.
By your logic, the whole tory cabinet plus Nigel Farage, TBP, UKIP etc. would be on permanent suicide watch.
Suicidal poor little rich kuds. Get what you want and then never want it again.
the suicide bit only came out when she realised the bullying bit had been neutralised.
That’s a good point.
And terrible for adolescents/young adults still looking for their place in the world. Ever wondered why so many young people think suicide is their only option? I’m convinced it’s got a lot to do with suicide being a favourite topic of conversation in the media – and now apparently the Queen of compassion, Megan Markle too.
I agree. Indeed, the whole, vast oil slick of self-regarding “compassion” is no more than a discouraging invitation to weakness and defeat and – as such – poisonous. In the old, upbeat culture of consolation and merriment, the young might have found distraction and fresh air. Today they are constantly prodded in the direction of narcissistic resentment, boring self-analysis and futile introspection – importing as much filth into their mental systems as they excavate. And the vast hypocritical con is embodied in face lifted cosmetic disaster zones like the Markle.
Wish i had more than one upvotes for that.
I’m just left wondering why on earth they did this? I was under the impression that they wanted privacy. Feeling like an idiot
People who take to the airwaves to shout, repeatedly, that they just want to be left alone should not be taken seriously – especially now, when the whole world is not just used to it but sick of it.
If you’ve never been the target of character assassination/smear campaign then you don’t understand the visceral compulsion to clear your name.
It’s shocking that the palace didn’t want to give Archie the traditional prince title as to be expected and the protection that comes with it.
Yet the palace passed it off as Meghan and Harry not wanting one.
Is this not eyebrow-raising?
Would you not want to world to know?
I repeat: what campaign? Before Markle decided to extend the hissy fit she clearly imposed on her staff to the whole monarchy, she had sustained newspaper support. Only by the most loaded, pettifogging, half-insane interpretations of “Woke” could anybody suggest there had been a campaign against her before she declared war – let alone a sustained one. Inability to accept this clear point of information is evidence of tunnel vision, nothing more.
The one where tabloids make a bigger deal about a Megan and Harry than Prince Andrew for his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and then a bunch of pensioners jump on unHerd to make claims about strangers without any real insight into their lives behind what they see in the curated news or media?
You really do seem to have mastered the art of generalisation
I guess we all operate differently.
Archie’s courtesy title is Earl of Dumbarton, the Duke of Sussex’s second title. He is not an HRH prince… none of the Queen’s great grandchildren other than the direct heirs (William’s children only are princes and princesses) are HRH princes. Look at how the other descendants of the Queen treated: Anne’s children-no titles at all; Andrew’s grandchildren – no UK titles at all and Edward’s children – Lord and Lady – not HRH and no princes or princesses.
Great grandchildren of the sovereign who are not children of direct heirs are not princes or princesses – that’s the law in the UK
Peter Hollander, I wouldn’t waste your breath (or your keystrokes). Ms Gallego had already made that point, and been refuted. She is clearly one of those people who don’t want to be confused by facts.
Meghan was referring to when Charles becomes king – the palace was not going to give Archie a prince title as is customary.
Did this really have to be spelled out?
You may want to check your facts Linnette before you make even more of a fool of yourself
Harry agreed so I guess everyone is confused about title succession.
Harry is indeed very confused
I’ve now given up too. Some people just have to be left in their ignorance
Meghan was referring to when Charles becomes king – the palace was not going to give Archie a prince title as is customary.
That is what I was lead to believe but we do have Princess Beatrice and Eugenie?
Prince Andrew is the son of the sovereign. Prince Harry is the grandson and that makes the difference.
what campaign?
Only the direct heir, and their heirs, to the throne get the title prince. Harry got one because his father is the direct heir. When Charles becomes king, it moves down a generation, and Archie and his siblings can receive the title of Prince or Princess. There is nothing Nefarious. It goes back to George V, and dates back over a hundred years.
You should acquaint yourself with the facts before taking your high handed stance. Archie isn’t entitled to the title of Prince. He is a great grandchild of the monarch not a grandchild.
Meghan was referring to when Charles becomes king – the palace was not going to give Archie a prince title as is customary.
Did this really have to be spelled out?
More ignorance from you Linnette
Don’t forget Harry too!
How does anyone know this? Charles isn’t king yet (praise be) , so we will have to wait and see what idiocies he contemplates.
I think it was George V who decided that only the children of the monarch should have the title of prince or princess. Some exceptions have been made since. I am surprised that such an independent egalitarian as Markle should even want a title for herself much less her child.
Meghan was referring to when Charles becomes king – the palace was not going to give Archie a prince title as is customary.
Did this really have to be spelled out?
Linnette, you really don’t have much idea about the royal family: only 3 of the Queen’s great grandchildren have the titles prince or princess. They are the Cambridges because William is directly in line to the throne after his father. Harry is way down the pecking order and his children are highly unlikely ever to occupy a throne. This is in keeping with a desire to slim down the monarchy. Princess Anne’s children and grandchildren don’t have those titles and neither do Prince Edward’s children
Meghan was referring to when Charles becomes king – the palace was not going to give Archie a prince title as is customary.
Harry agreed so I guess he doesn’t understand title succession either?
Linnette this is complete nonsense. Harry had the title Prince conferred on him at birth because his father is heir to the throne. William’s children are princes and princess because their father is heir to the Prince of Wales. None of the Queen’s other great grandchildren are styled prince or princess and they would not be so styled retrospectively UNLESS their father ascended the throne.
Several people have already pointed this out to you so this is my last word on the subject.
Good day to you
“It’s shocking that the palace didn’t want to give Archie the traditional prince title as to be expected and the protection that comes with it”
He didn’t get the title because it wasn’t his to have.
They say America is the classless society and indeed it proves once again it has no class. Cheap, tawdry and tasteless as Follywood always is, it now celebrates it new Queen Of Trash.
She claims she wants to be the Queen of Compassion (typical Miss World syndrome) but dare she approach Isis or the Taliban, people trafficking gang leaders or drug cartel bosses, Arab princes or African dictators, totalitarian Chinese and North Korean Governments. Of course she won’t. Like every Lala land snowflake before her she’ll preach to the relatively compassionate that they are not whilst doing her best to fill her pockets from those who have less while she does
She is spreading precious little compassion in this self serving and vindictive bit of drama
I’d rather have Stacey Dooley at least she goes to the places where awful things are happening and questions people very bravely I think.
Oh dear! Sadly, I have to agree with you.
Like Diana wanted to be queen of peoples hearts. Markle plagiarises constantly.
And skin-crawlingly badly. Say what we want about Diana, she had great flair and style. And composure. Backbone.
So much puerile childish drivel. It wasn’t me, it was her who made me cry, I felt so unhappy blah blah no one helped me. Would she care to say exactly why she was so unhappy and why should anyone rush to help – she had a husband, what the hell was he doing . Was he helping or just crawling into his shell. As for he feared history repeating itself: more contrived bleeding heart stuff It was a totally different , opposite situation. Diana was trapped in a loveless marriage , totally unable do anything about Camilla.
I feel Sorry for People who have lost relatives to SARS2,Cancers etc..People with ‘Genuine mental problems’ but not this pair of self aggrandising ,self Pitying Vacuous Couple..Can media just ignore them,.?
I fear that Harry and Meghan are displaying the spiritual barrenness and emptiness that pervades western society today. They seem to have no purpose except their own self-protection and self-interest. They have no centre, no reference point except themselves. Even their interest in charities seems to be a means of making them feel good and look good.
Contrast that with the Queen who in recent years has spoken more about her faith than ever before. She has a very deep conviction that she was called by God to the role she fulfills. Her life of selfless service to her people and the stability she exudes has been motivated by this sense of vocation and the inner resources she has drawn from her relationship with God the Father through the Son in the power of the Holy Spirit.
To me, the monarchy should put a lot of distance between it and this bit of self serving rubbish that claims to be all about compassion and public service but is clearly self,obsessed and more than a little vindictive. Don’t let the royal family be tarnished by this obnoxious current of self pitying , self promoting, attention seeking arrogance.
The terrible thing about all this nonsense is how it sucks you in. I’ve no interest in this pair of sub-kardashians or the inbred parasites they are fighting with, but still end up reading about it and commenting. Hopefully they’ll bring the whole system crashing down on themselves and we can move on from this antiquated relic. .
Analysis – In my opinion, the woman, and the couple who could have been the toast of the UK and America have played the game of Judas. What they have done to undermine the British Monarchy cannot be allowed to go unpunished. Their ignorance or over grandiose self awareness has been overstepped. To tarnish what has been the UKs jewel in the crown will recover. Though I sense those two will rue the day their alleged victimhood was aired on global television. They have done the unforgivable, and harmed the very people they stated they love.
This spectacle of vulgarity is directly intended to threat the monarchy and not simply to trash it. That is why it cannot be left up in the air.
For two people in their 30s they seem to have been remarkably unable to manage theirselves.
“I didn’t want to be alive anymore” has a smollett of linguistic similarity to that great man’s unsurpassed expression “I will never be the man that this did not happen to”.
Evasive, needy, narcissistic, untruthful.
And a nasty vindictive little streak as well
Interesting projections!
Popularity, adulation and narcissism are clearly key to their faux royality psychology.
However, rather than admit to their Woke Narcissism, they deflect to Woke Fragility.
Meghan’s only obvious concern is Woke Supremacy and obviously became depressed when she couldn’t Woke others about.
Finally, the absurdity of a highly privileged woman of colour claiming to be a powerless victim whilst being interviewed in the vast grounds of a multi million mansion is an insult to anyone experiencing true powerlessness and true poverty.
Woke Supremacy and Woke Fragility fools no one. It’s simply Woke Narcissism.
Woke the Woke!
Privilege doesn’t negate racism or misogyny.
And if your photo is real then that’s two things you have no lived experienced about yet have some very strong opinions.
I think we call arrogance.
Ding ding. You’re the winner of this morning’s bullshyte bingo.
You vaguely remind me of Zenobia Palmyra of the old Spiked’s comment sections, she was a laugh (as in the b**t of all jokes). Nice to have you around btw, for that purpose alone.
Oh dear. B-u-t-t is too explicit to type now, apparently. What shall i call that thing gathering rainwater in the garden now.
Oh yes! I remember ZP! I think she has moved here.
Hello self-admitted racist.
Hello woke.
You can call me a racist any day as you please, i don’t find that word offensive.
Now, if you dared to call me ‘woke’ or ‘leftist’, i would make you wash your mouth out.
But you are the real racist and don’t deny it
You are incorrigible!
Lol, you’re like Rick from the Young Ones.
Ahh, OK, so racism towards white people _is_ unacceptable regardless of their privilege…
Yes, she asked if I was black. When I said no the question was deleted. I think there might have been mention of a type of hairy nut had I replied in the affirmative.
It’s because I was replying to the wrong comment.
You thought wrong. Are you really one to call other people hairy like it’s an insult?
For someone who demands ‘reading comprehension’ in every other comment, you remarkably lack it. Aspie, bame, or just plain thicko, or the combination of all three?
Reverse racism!
Do you need a band aid?
Busted.
Do you understand that the expression “reverse racism” is a deeply offensive, deeply racist remark? You are asserting that there is a normal racism which is that of whites towards other races. This is apparently your default and normal expectation: you know something about all white people, because they are white. “Reverse” racism is an abnormal inversion of the norm.
Whether something is racism as opposed to “reverse racism” therefore depends on the race of the racist.
You simply can’t help exposing your own squalid prejudices. You are so deeply immersed in your racist worldview that you can no longer see it, any more than a goldfish in its bowl can see the water it swims in.
You’re a thoroughly wicked, profoundly racist bigot.
Do you truly believe that racism only exists amongst white people? If so, I am afraid that makes you rather a racist yourself.
How come you are so agressive about things and other people’s opinions? If you want people to have sympathy you should really change your tone. I have lived long enough to have the experience and I am not even a pensioner.
Meghan has Borderline Personality Disorder, a very dangerous and calculating condition
As somebody who had a relationship with a person with BPD, I can see why you say that and you may well be right. A lot of the signs are there. But, diagnosing this kind of thing by media is not wise.
You’re right, but a number of psychiatric conditions classed as clinical disorders stray very close to the “sufferer” simply being a thoroughly obnoxious sociopath, i.e. not mentally ill, just vile. It’s hard to know which side of that line this ghastly arriviste is.
Borderline? I think she crossed that border a long time ago, probably in her teens.
I’m sure she did. There is a video on YouTube concerning her “hazing” at college. She put super glue on another girl’s false eyelashes.
Indeed; however the word ‘borderline’ in this case is not a qualifier but a diagnostic term: BPD, or Borderline Personality Disorder. Usually (though not exclusively) attributed to dysfunctional childhood, it manifests in emotional incontinence, extreme neediness, irrational behaviours & thought processes, violent outbursts followed by weepy clinginess, the lot. Those “crazy exes” are typically borderlines. Of either gender, although it typically afflicts females more than males.
Borderline Personality Disorder along with Narcissistic Disorder appears to be at pandemic levels across the West but especially in the US and rising in the UK. As a threat to the future it certainly rivals Covid19.
On a serious note I think in a couple of years Harry should be put on a very close suicide watch. This my friends, all of it, is all going to end in utter tragedy.
I agree….I cannot see a happy way out of this for him. He has no job, no country and no position. He will miss his former life very badly, I would guess. Forgiveness needs to be on the menu for both sides.
Or drink himself to Hollywood oblivion?….
Unfortunately, I have to agree. I work with people who are frequently at risk of suicide and Harry ticks too many risk boxes for my liking.
Why should the ‘ palace’ be worried about how black Archie is? He’s only a quarter black, at best ( his grandmother looks mixed race to the casual eye). Of course his mother has concealed her racial heritage by having her hair straightened and I think probably a nose job, but that’s her choice, not any British pressure. That’s how she looked when she arrived. Quite the contrary, the blacker the better if you look at most of the British mainstream media. The establishment were creaming themselves with delight over being able to demonstrate membership of the inclusivity club.
I can’t help but feel that if Harry had wanted to marry a white British twice divorced soap opera actress with an
interesting past, much more strenuous attempts would have been made to discourage him. As it was, she got the full deal, the white wedding (?..) in a royal chapel, the coach parade, walked down the aisle by the heir to the throne ( I have never heard of a woman of her age who couldn’t produce one male relative or friend for this archaic role, but still) the two staggeringly expensive wedding dresses paid for by the groom, the guest list full of useful celebrities who admit to having no previous acquaintance with either bride or groom…..it just goes on and on.
If I were Harry, I would be quite worried about what she is going to say about him when his usefulness is over. Racist will just be the start.
“a republic where the wealthiest folks are the great grandkids of tycoons and industrialists” Hardly. The richest people in America – Bezos, Musk, Gates, Zuckerburg, Buffet – are all self-made men. You won’t see any Carnegies or Rockefeller’s on that list. Granted, there are a few Waltons but Sam Walton was their dad, not great granddad. As an American, I apologize for inflicting Meghan on the United Kingdom. She is a brazen opportunist who took advantage of a star struck, rebellious, and rather naive young man.
Well said …My American colleague..Glad Not all Americans buy this Psychbull…To keep your illness whether mental or physical You kept quite about until the 1990s &beyond horrendous…..Like Exposing my ”Y” Fronts on the clothes line..
I think the writer, Mike Lynch puts it best: “Oh, Harry, Harry, what are you doing? I’ve lived long enough to see this sort of thing to know how it will end badly for him. Never, never turn on your own family for the sake of a woman (the same advice goes to girls too). Your family will be there long after they’re gone. Any man or woman that asks you to do this does not love you. She is going to end up feeding him his own heart on a plate one day. Silly, silly boy.”
But I have to say, Harry’s tragic tale will some day make great material for an ambitious novelist!
It should start with his mother’s affair with his dad, James Hewitt.
Somehow, the thought of a woman in Megan’s position playing the victim card while complaining about too much attention from the press while negotiating an interview with Oprah in which whines about her lack of privacy was just a bit much.
You’ve had your 15 minutes Meghan.
The so called racist statement which they have implied is only hear say.
Funny how when the American actress, Grace Kelly, married the Prince of Monaco, she didn’t produce Meghan style histrionics and self pity (neither, as far as I know, did Mr. Monaco). But then, Kelly did what she said she’d do – got on, for better or worse, w/her marriage and the obligations that came w/that marriage.
Meghan, on the other hand, studied her role well, imitating Diana’s story (minus the sad adultery, mental illness and public’s insane worship .. but keeping Diana’s fatal self pity) playing her part in Harry’s tragic Oedipal complex to perfection and getting paid gargantuan sums of money for her acting.
We all know that the Oedipal arrangement never does end well, and I am ashamed to admit that part of my attraction to this awful story must surely be driven by waiting for the inevitable crash to occur.
You like these two and their emotional incontinence, America? You can have them. Please God, take them.
Lol. We don’t want them either. Maybe Venezuela would be a nice place for them.
Or the moon.
… and their overblown sense of entitlement too.
Send them anywhere, just not here to Canada for god’s sake. We are already infected with too many woke zombies.
You were Original Country of Choice,Meghan ditched her First husband, Engaged to her boyfriend (TV chef) and ditched her pets in Canada.. you’ve won the ‘Wokeists’ Top prize
The particularly vile part about this whole love in interview was the inevitable use of the race card. We all know in today’s world the moment race is brought up, that’s it, you’re damned forever. A Large element of the media, and the fanatical woke will be the judge, jury and executioner. There is never any way back when the race card is played. Look no further than the lunacy that has gone on since Saint George Floyd was martyred. Already, politicians on the left are screeching away for an investigation into “racism” in the palace. Tell me, why do the Commonwealth countries freely associate with Britain if it is so terribly racist. Little questions like this deserve answers. But unfortunately for the royal family, now that the sacred tarbrush of racism has come out, reason and fairness stand no hope against the left woke enemy.
No doubt there will be some who castigate me for my view on this but what the heck. My father lived in India for many years and loved the country and its people, indeed when he was dying he said that he wasn’t afraid because of what he had learnt from the Indian culture. He brought myself and my brother up to have respect and consideration for all. (That also includes white people btw). Until last year I have never felt ill of any ethnic groups, no matter where from. I am sorry to say that I now feel angry and appalled at this constant attack on Britain and particularly the white population. I ask myself, especially today after the Meghan Markle debacle what have we done to deserve such vilification, because a criminal black man, with a suspect background was killed. I am as angry with the policeman who caused his death, but I could have understood the furore more if he had been someone like Martin Luther King. As for BLM,sadly they have set back race relations in the UK by years. Bullying us will not make people more accepting, it is likely to have the reverse effect!
Totally correct, the BLM, now known legally as the Black Liberation Movement has had quite the opposite effect, a tolerant country has been polarised thanks to this bunch making issues where there were simply none.
Well put Jayne.
She described herself as caucasian in her cv – understandable since she’s the whitest black person I’ve ever seen – if they hate the RF and the UK so much they should give up any titles and simply be Mr & Mrs Markle or whatever it is they think they are now. Giving up Duty, Honour and Country for this? Harry probably should stay away from the UK from now on.
I don’t know. There seem to be an awful lot of “black” people out there who look very, very white. I suggest there’s a good few who would give her a run for her money.
still, I take your point. If she didn’t tell you she was “black”, and you wouldn’t know it.
She doesn’t have anything else to sell. Without her bi-racial status, what would be her hook be to hang her “mistreatment” on?
Robin DiAngelo comes to mind as a very black white person, or is it a very white black person, I don’t know, it all seems very fragile to me.
I think he risks being booed or Ignored if he Comes to ”Open” Diana’s statue in June?…
Jesus! Isn’t Markle a despicable human being? She also manages to encapsulate all that is currently wrong with the US. An ignorant narcissist living her life through the idiocy of social media. And she does indeed know her audience, a collection of politically correct, ill-educated half-wits who have no knowledge or respect for the institution of the Monarchy. All they know is that somebody, somewhere might have used a racist term against their American princess, and that’s enough to set off a twitter storm on her behalf.
And what’s it all for? Merely to ‘raise her profile’ and to acquire yet more money for her and her hapless husband.
Tend to agree. I think she has revealed a rather unpleasant calculating and manipulative side
On the plus side, there’s no way back for them now, so at least they’re not going to be costing the British tax payer anything ever again. They can use the millions they make from their whining to pay us all back.
She is deeply tiresome and Britain is well rid of her.
I suspect that you can understand most of her behaviour simply by reflecting on the fact that she is an actress. “British Princess” was an aspirational role after Suits.
Anyone who has performed on a West End stage six evenings a week, as well as Wednesday and Saturday matinees, for a couple of years, will get tired of it and look for their next role. No-one plays Evita, Lady Bracknell, or whatever, for twenty years. They treat their time doing so as an entry on their CV and as a stepping stone to their next role.
Brits pay the tabloids so I don’t think they’re ready to go. No supply without demand. I mean we’re all here talking about it for free.
Hang on! I support this platform with an annual payment. Don’t you?
To coin a term popular stateside, the Sussexes have ‘won big’, but the interview with Oprah could arguably be the beginning of the end. The Sussex’s are one trick ponies and that pony is Harry and his royal background. What brought Oprah running was the prospect – entirely fulfilled by last night’s interview – of getting the skinny on the royal family, not the opportunity to listen to Megan and Harry talking about their desire to spread compassion – you can dial that sort of thing up 24 hours a day in California. No doubt the Sussex’s will be able to parlay their story for cash and attention for some time to come, but in future each time they speak they will be devaluing their own currency.
Agree …. and let’s remember that Oprah has managed to become one of the world’s richest women via ‘spreading compassion (albeit, fake) all over the world’ Difference is, Oprah owns the platform from which she fertilizes the world w/’compassion’. Harry and Meghan have just sold their platform to the highest bidder. Oh well.
Does anyone truly care? In a few years time they will be nobodies when the royal status has gone
The BBC giving the ‘racist incidence’ back to back coverage. Sir Kneerler Starmer says ‘these allegations must be taken seriously’
This is just another attack on Britain by the woke left, spear headed by their Princess of Woke. Depressing and infuriating in equal measure.
Anyway, another reason not to vote for the Labour Party and to restructure the BBC (I want to reclaim the BBC from the left, not destroy it)
Where do they go after this? In a few years she’ll get to tell all in an interview about her second divorce…
Or 3rd?
She is physically morphing into the Duchess of Windsor.
That is unfair to the Duchess of Windsor who may have been “trash” as Miss Charlotte of Foxcroft School said of her when she taught her when she was Wallis Warfield. but she was also fun.
I was noting only the physical appearance, which I find interesting and might betoken a similar character and circumstances.
The dress and the hairstyle carefully chosen to mimic the Duchess of Windsor when she and the Duke gave an interview. The latter pair had more dignity
I’d Megan a method actor?
Gosh when we get back to the pubs – this is all we are going to talk about – not!
..’an insignificant skirmish in a war that’s already been won’? The writer thinks the Sussex’s have won a war with the House of Windsor? In America maybe, for a while, but nobody over here cares about that anyway. They (RF) have been around for a long time now, longer even than the Plantagenets, and survived tougher situations than this by far. See how ruthless they were with the Duke and Duchess of Windsor. It was the Queen’s official Christmas card of 2018 that was what finally made the Sussex’s flounce off in a sulk. If you remember it was simply a photo of the Queen, her heir Prince Charles, his heir Prince William and his heir Prince George. HM was sending the clearest message to them and to the world, ‘this is what matters, these are who matters’. The Sussex’s have always wanted to be front and centre, but they’re not and never can be and they know it.
And what about Harry and Megan? He a rather thick has-been prince, she a b-list ex-actress knocking on a bit now. They’ll have their time in the limelight and milk it for all it’s worth, but will they become like the Obamas or the Clooney’s as I hear is their desire? Those couples are genuinely smart, talented, substantial people, the Sussex’s are the epitome of mediocrity, it’s only his (no longer) Royal status that gave them any traction as celebrities. The novelty will wear off sooner than they might think and people will get bored when they realise there’s really very little to them.
And she was too stupid to work out that the line of succession theme to the Christmas Card is what it is always about. He should have known better but then he clearly does not think anymore.Just does what he is told to do.
I think the comment on what colour Meghan and Harry’s baby would be is despicable. Almost as despicable as Harry calling a member of his platoon a Paki. Although obviously Harry appears to have forgotten this.
Every Brit probably wondered about the colour result – not just Phillip or Anne or whoever. Probably Harry too.
In all honesty I, white citizen, didn’t even realise she had black heritage prior to her deciding it may be useful to emphasise it whilst playing the victim. Once I was aware of her heritage I was totally unconcerned as to the colour of any of her off spring. I’m probably not alone in my naivety as we are not a country of racists.
Anyone remember the scene in the Life of Brian in which John Cleese played a high priest overseeing the stoning of a man who has had the temerity to say the name ‘Jehovah’? Only men are meant to take part in the stoning, whereas those who have gathered are in fact all badly disguised women. When I heard Megan Markle first suggest that her unpopularity with the British public had its origin in racism and then last night accusing an unnamed member of the Royal Family of making an offensive observation about the likely colour of the Sussex’s child, that Monty Python scene came to mind, except it is the other way around as the accuser gets to use the word ‘racist’ and thereafter a whole society and the royal family are metaphorically stoned.
It didn’t enter my head until H&M kept the baby from public view. Then I wondered if it was a race thing.
We don’t know what the comment was – so no idea if it was despicable, or not.
eg ‘are you and Meghan prepared for any racism which the baby may face if it takes after its maternal grandmother?’
Context is everything.
So for those that watched or are reading about the aftermath all that really happened was an updated version of Geraldo and the Mystery of Al Capone’s Vault complete with media build-up and just like the vault, subsequent emptiness.
Many comments as to why bother, that silly monarchy games don’t matter in the big picture.
I get that viewpoint but I do find a clear distinction between the temporary shallow uber-narcissism as portrayed by the Sussexes and the long-run endurance of the monarchy. That’s not to say either side is blameless, heaven knows the Royals have always had to work hard at keeping skeletons stuffed in closets, but a two hour one-off of cheap Oprah Selected opportunistic carpet-bagging couldn’t even pretend to provide any of the hope, optimism, comfort or sense of community contained in decades of ten minute Christmas addresses
Perhaps that’s just hopeless sentimentality but IMO it’s the difference between wanting to buy something or wanting to believe something.
Well said Walter, our royal family have an important role in this country and I am amongst those who object to the unproven disingenuous comments made by these two charlatans.
Contrary to your statement Markle is hardly “exceptional” as an actress and that is being kind. “Influencer”?
Maybe she was exceptional in some of her other….er…careers? We don’t know.
The more I think about this, the more I see it for what it is. Total self absorbed drivel. As for the claims / assertions by some that ‘they are speaking their truth’. What the hell does that mean? I’m sure Trump spoke every day of ‘his truth ‘- others saw his truth as total lies, fantasy and fabrication . Speaking my truth now seems to be justification for making up any old bit of rubbish and claiming it as ‘my truth’.
Well my truth is that I find it totally abhorrent that some privileged, elite self absorbed idiots have access to media that is denied to those who are genuinely struggling with the truly dismal life they have. As Labour under Corbyn used to say, ‘for the many not the few’ and along similar lines other used to say ‘ , we are the 99%’ ( I.e not the 1% of the spoilt, rich privileged rich)
“Meghan is both an actress and an influencer, and exceptional at both” if you’re an American maybe
As they are both making so much money now will they repay the £32 million spent in the wedding? And some of the millions of Charles money she spent on clothes and jewellery?
Meghan is an “exceptional actress”. Really? I look forward immensely to seeing her Lady Macbeth.
Well I did doubt her ability but whoa, last night was a rather stunningly good B list performance.
She cannot act for nuts and her performance for Oprah was a testament to that fact.
After this, Is anybody going to be interested in these Netflix shows about spreading compassion?
It’s like a one hit wonder who insists on playing his other songs – “sorry mate we just want to hear your one hit song” or a footballer (Marcus Rashford aside) who starts talking politics.
Unfortunately, it’s now all about dishing the dirt on the royal family.
You seriously think ‘Marxist Trashford’ is anything but a political puppet? The Charity he fronts is headed up by a senior member of the charity industry who works with Sadist Khan on Food Initiatives for London. The £!2 million a year earning Trashford employs one of the biggest PR companies in the world. Do you think he does anything but sign where he is told to?
The worst thing about it is he is at serious risk of undermining his football career if he keeps messing with politics because it clear he is not developing into the world class superstar his potential suggested and that many of his predecessors at Old Trafford often have.
Trailer trash marries good, upsets in-laws. Nothing new there then.
Now, remind me again, who are these people?
The two creepiest people in the United States. Oprah is no prize either. “Rescue chickens”? Why not rescue humans? Put those unearned millions to use and support struggling families. Rescue children in poverty. Not in Africa, where the results are never seen, but in Los Angeles where folks are homeless. (I’d love to read a tell-all by Meggie’s former husband.)
Or use their position to support the Cladding victims all across the UK!
I’ve always been a little bit suspicious about people who have rescue chickens.
Yes, Kiev or chasseur tonight darling?
It is well known they have a liking for roast chicken.
I had some and they bullied the cat
Interesting how they claim they actually got married three days before, what now appears to have been a pantomime wedding. A couple of points, firstly the wedding as described is almost certainly not legal and secondly have they inadvertently revealed that Archie is illegitimate?
Or are they just liars?
I’ve messaged Lambeth Palace about #twoweddingswelby to ask them to clarify the law and the church’s view of this
Wind back to that bit and observe Harry’s face. He knows the threesome with the Archbishop was not a wedding. Probably a rehearsal to go over the words and at most a private blessing.
Harry knows that Meghan is over doing it.
If you have style you don’t wash your dirty laundry in public & definitely not in order to cash in….but then this is show business and you capitalise your assets in this business when your media value is at its peak…
You said it Antoon – at its peak. Downhill all the way from now on
As far as the Royals and persons of colour. I remember reading in biographies of Queen Victoria. Edward VII and George V. that they ticked off in no uncertain terms, persons who showed disdain for “blacks” which in their period could describe Indians as well as those of African extraction. Much more recently, Prince Charles’s obvious kindness and courtesy to the Duchess’s mother was visible during the wedding of 2018. In short. not guilty on that charge. Meghan Markle should be satisfied that her son is an earl. Good luck to him with that title with his classmates at Malibu’s School in a few years!
Seen the film Victoria & Abdul? A good watch
I fear I haven’t seen it tho’ I have heard good things about it.
Have not seen it. Will not watch it. Harry and Meghan with high powered PR machine milking celebrity for all it’s worth because there is no other way on this earth for them to fund a lavish lifestyle. Ignore this tommy rot and it will go away.
Why have the publicity shots of the Duchess in the last few days seemed to show her darker complexioned than they did previously?
Not long ago we thought that “The Royal It’s A Knockout” was a low as they could go.
I thought that was when they peaked?
Love the image of Harry as a rescue chicken!
‘Till it’s roast time.
He already has that weird red blotching all over his face…
What amazes me is the willingness of the author to insult the good name of Cinderella. In this case, I would not even stoop to insulting Drizella.
I am respecting the decision of Mr and Mrs Wales to retreat from royal duty into private life, by paying them absolutely no notice.
Madame Markle might appeal to Americans who are ignorant of Britain and its history but the British will simply loathe her and her toadying husband for their utter betrayal of his country and his family.
She was clearly acting, although badly, but since she could never act that is not surprising. He is a damaged young man, in her thrall, and she is a damaged young woman who has mastered narcissism and manipulation of the vulnerable. The interview was pathetic and Oprah was the biggest fool of all.
However, consistent stupidity and gracelessness is the name of their game and ultimately they are the losers.
Sorry, don’t get it. The fascination, I mean. Now if you put the Royal couple on Jersey Shore and Snookie and Meghan start hair pulling and The Situation and Harry start brawling, I might get out the popcorn. Maybe.
They could do the same in return.
Grow up, kids.
The game of power is brutal, vicious, uncompromising and unforgiving (ultimately perhaps for good reasons) ……. Regardless of what is true (or isn’t) this girl has painted a bullseye on her own back. Wether or not this young woman intended to declare war, war has been declared. This now turns into a horrible game of chess, the result of which can only be the marriage and the girl demeaned, slandered, eroded, discredited and ultimately destroyed. The establishment of a great nation never EVER loses. It would have been better for them both to have kept their counsel and remained silent.
Meghan isnt young! She’s old enough to know better – with one divorce behind her, and to come ….
You are spot on Ann … If one wants to make a success of being part of this family, one keeps one’s mouth shut!!
not a girl, she’s nearly 40.
Harry as thick as two short planks … nice but dim.. Meghan a B grade actress … with an agenda. It’ll probably end in tears.
Meghan set her sights on a Prince, without understanding either the Royalty which she was planning to join, nor the British culture.
Ive often found US ladies to be too effusive, and, to my understanding, far too personal to be comfortable with.
I expect Meghan misunderstood a lot that was going on around her. It happens very frequently in this “global society” we’ve been dragged into.
I completely disagree with “letting it all hang out” in the manner they have chosen!
On the contrary, Meghan understood royalty, she quickly out-royaled the royals. She knew exactly what she was doing. As to “US ladies” I seem to recall Harry’s mother a rather famous non US lady being quite effusive herself. Not to mention being willing to “let it all hang out”. Harry has the same effusiveness as Meghan and is as likely to spew the verbal diarrhea as Meghan. Let’s be cautious about making this a national issue and/or gender issue. Harry seems like he has been waiting his whole life to take a bite out of a few people, his father and brother included.
Totally agree that they missed a great opportunity to keep their mouths shut.
For a good assessment of Diana, see James Lees-Milne’s diary, Monday 1st September 1997, in The Milk of Paradise and reprinted in Diaries , 1984-1997: “The grieving over Princess Diana is beyond belief…undoubtedly she was a great beauty and had star quality of the film actress sort; also seems to have had a genuine caring side…People did not realise that few of her staff could abide her and that she was odious to the Prince ever since they were engaged. She was shallow and devious, as cunning as a vixen, determined to do him down, motivated by malice and spite. Debo said that on the few occasions she saw them together, she treated him with contempt. She took no part in his interests and intellectual friends, never read a book and was totally uneducated and stupid.” Harry seems to have inherited his mother’s brains or lack of them and have found a woman much like his mother to marry. Kate, on the other hand, likes art and reads.
Harry seems emotionally and intellectually fragile. He was the perfect target for her.
The tragedy of inbreeding. A Harry would happen sooner or later, an unfortunate cross between two very dim people produced a ginger mutant. It’s amazing that he manages to mimic a human being. I don’t know enough about Meghan, she looks from my neck of the woods, has a southern European look. Only in race-obsessed America does she look black. Poor kids.
I actually would have never thought she was black, in fact I was quite surprised to learn her mother is.
We have plenty of people with her looks in England, in fact all around Europe, the racism card is ridiculous in this case.She wouldn’t even stick out.
I think some people see being a person of colour something they should wear on their lapel though I’m at a loss to understand why. Do I go around carping how proud I am to be white? Think I’d probably get beat up if I did.
Only the Left in the USA are race obsessed. Speaking of which, last time I was in London, as ubiquitous as the “Look Left; Look Right” sings were the very, very, odd “Don’t Be Racist” signs.
trashed her father, trashed her first husband, (any comments sir?) trashed the royal family. who is next ? keep an eye on harry, always looks miserable.
Jesus Christ, why are people still banging on about this?
#BotheredNotBothered
Is your comment a prayer or are you basically using His name as a swear word? If the latter then better not to use it at all.
It could be a comment on the wrong thread: he could be asking why people are still ‘banging on’ about Jesus of Nazareth. 😉
Atheists do a lot of that. Gets boring.
Yes. He really gets under their skin.
Yes, but He is worth bangingon about
I agree,
i am not a church-goer but, in context of this pathetic affair, when you wrote “Jesus Christ” (-:
you reminded me of a something that has stuck with me from my RE “O” level days, JC was said to have uttered, …” for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and everyone who humbles himself will be exalted”.
Most appropriate and relevant quote. These are two self-promoting obsessives who have never actually done anything for anybody except when it is to their own advantage. Boring, unbelievable fakers.
Too cold for planting out or mowing the lawn
Let’s face it by the time he bumped into Megan he was desperate. All the other er “eligible” young ladies having done a runner. He had even talked on camera about his fear of being alone. Then along she came. He was just happy she said yes.
You have just given her exactly what she wants. She is nothing more than a headline seeking narcissist.
And Oprah laughs all the way to the bank……
Call me cynical, but monetising their alleged unfathomable misery and handily conflating it with his mother’s untimely end represents the path of least resistance for both of them, and surely the greatest reward for the least effort?
As others have already referenced, Harry was filmed by his own fair hand calling a fellow soldier, ‘my little P@ki friend’, another ‘a raghead’ and was, albeit in his youth, happy to dress in fancy dress as a Nazi, but that was then of course and this is now.
Surely these controversies can’t have passed the fiercely astute Meghan Markle by entirely before she decided to tie the knot with this little royal roustabout?
None of us really know what has gone on and we shouldn’t be too quick to judge. It is perfectly possible the husband to whom she posted her wedding ring, her estranged father and rest of her family, the whole Royal family and the entire Royal household staff are all the most beastly people imaginable and that Megan is just incredibly unlucky in life.
It is perfectly possible that I will win the lottery this weekend.
According to a friend of Harry’s (in the press!!) Now that he has got all this off his chest (in public) he feels he can draw a line under it all – and they can all move on. So when he comes over to unveil the statue of Diana in July, he will be greeted by his family and the British public as the saint he obviously feels he is.
I wonder when (if) he will ever realise what has been done to him, and I don’t mean by the Royal family. So sad.
I find it strange that the claim the Royals are racists, when she and her mother have been treated with every courtesy. I think she was probably suffering culture shock. What was the context about the colour of the baby. It could have been will it have Harry’s red hair and Meghan’s olive skin? That is the sort of things families speculate about and it aint racist. Both are best forgotten about and let to make their millions which seems to be more the motivation. As Prince Phillips was reported to have said as the courtship unfolded; actresses, you take them out your do not marry them!
I do remember seeing Meghan’s mother sitting all alone on the pew, at the wedding. I don’t know why but it would have been nice to see her with another Royal person.
In one shot of Megham the title of a book on the shelves behind her stood out: “Optics”. Not, I think, the kind of optics studied by physicists.
The entire set of videos was carefully orchestrated and not only by media advisers. The lawyers of Meghan, Winfrey and CBS, I am quite sure – this is America, after all, the most litigious country in the world – had given good advice. There was not a single charge against the British Royal Family that was backed by substantiation, yet all were carefully chosen to provide just enough of a seed to ignite the prejudices and intolerances of the Woke left – especially on race.
And suddenly an allegation of bullying is not to be taken seriously because it is made against an ‘influencer’ queen of American wokeness, for no other reason. Had the allegation been made against a male member of the real Royal Family, there would have been calls for blood and the immediate abolition of the monarchy.
“Meghan gets what Meghan wants!” sounds like a bully’s little helper to me.
These two oozed a self inflated sense of entitlement and hypocrisy. But there is no law against that. And it will catch up with them eventually. Their tirades against the Royal Family now fully vented, I wonder who will be the next unfortunate to cross their path?
Unsurprising. The question that Oprah ought to have asked is, ‘Who that you’ve been close to, have you not fallen out with?’
The woman is a narcissistic monster and her husband is a fool.
Show me one family where one was a pasty white ginger, and the other with darker skin where anticipation about who the baby will take after does not involve skin tone? I think mixed race families could be interviewed here.
Overall this is so depressing. After lighting the match, Meghan shows a picture with just her face in her garden idyll. I wish the American Cinderella story weren’t so vengeful, but more based on Matthew. Forgive 70 x 7 times. Meghan and Harry are horrible role models.
For a bracing, sardonic and (as ever) hilarious commentary on Princess Pouty and her unfortunate husband, try Mark Steyn: https://www.steynonline.com/11118/things-to-obsess-about-until-they-nuke-us (scroll down for the relevant section).
Glad they see to all as we do, spoilt hanger on throwing her toys out of the pram
Anyway… As a young couple with a growing family, perhaps they can empathise with thousands of young families unable to move on with their lives or remain in their homes because of the Cladding scandal. The the dilemma facing these poor royals is eclipsing much of what should be debated in the UK at this time.
I couldn’t care less about the issue of whether the Royals are racist. People of all races and creeds are facing cruelly manufactured debt to pay for remediation work on tower blocks they didn’t build and bought into in good faith.
I couldn’t care less about misrepresentation of these two orphans of the storm. The cladding issue is being hidden away behind complex weasel language that would impress Orwell.
I am unmoved by Megan’s suicidal inclinations. Many young people have expressed such misery and despair that we daily expect more and more suicides linked to bankruptcies and deprivation.
I’m glad they have each other. I’m also sad that the Cladding scandal in the UK is destroying marriages and family life.
Have i said enough to get the Cladding scandal the oxygen of publicity? I doubt it, given the obsession with the struggles of the rich that obsesses the press.
Somehow the US comes out the loser in this. Not only do we not get to offload her, we somehow get saddled with him. How did he even get into the country in the midst of a pandemic? What legal right does he have to live here? Their little racism traveling circus will be fully operational in the US. Next we will hear of people coming out of the woodwork to hate on them because she is half black.
And whenever poor old Philip does die, can you imagine how comfortable that funeral is going to be?
He’s married to her, and so can come into the USA perfectly legally.
They will both get a shock when the US Tax Department hands in its invoice for all monies earned anywhere in the world in any way, shape or form. As a British Royal he did not have to pay tax. As Mr Ordinary resident in the US, he most certainly will. They are not particularly bright and clearly take advice from no-one but themselves so probably are not aware of tax liabilities.
She is not half black. Her mother is not 100% African ancestry. She might be a quarter African which makes Meghan an eighth, but, I suspect her mum is probably less than a quarter. And since her dad is fully non-black, she has, as they once would have said, just a touch of the tar brush. As if anyone cares but Megan the manipulator.
Prince Phillip is in his fifth week in hospital,it doesn’t look hopeful..Dont be Ungrateful this is GB Gift to Biden & American people..enjoy……
Here’s to hoping the duke and duchess of entitlement are titleless tomorrow. Let’s see Harry get a job or a media deal without a title. He’d be lucky to get a job at Jiffy Lube.
Let’s not forget that the only reason any of this happens, either side of the Atlantic, is to sell tins of baked beans, or washing machines, or anything else advertisers will pay for advertising space for.
I can hear through my open window the ladies of the estate wife included talking over the garden fences. They are unanimous. From now on Kate and William can do no wrong and the Queen is a grandma scorned and that is just not on. As for Harry what sort of bloke does this while his grandfather is so very old and ill? You just do not do that in our part of the world .He is finished here. Mind you the newspapers sold out. Which is good for them I suppose. I interjected but had to be careful I asked how much her dress cost?
That did it. Apparently more than we all have spent on clothes in our lifetimes. They agreed they prefer Coronation Street.
£3,300 (apparently) But they are living off the crumbs left by his dear Mama. So sad.
Her Soap Oprah ”interview” dress cost $4,200 according to keen eyed observers
Really? It looks a bit charity shop to me!
I am shocked at Harry. What man would sit next to his wife and let her trash his family because she was angry at not getting her own way.
What Prince of the realm would let a foreigner trash his own country.
The world is indeed in a very dark place if people truly think narcissism can bring a whole nation to its knees.
Markle was and is a very bad actress and her performance for Oprah was cringe-worthy and contrived.
Going by comments, which reveal more than media articles by anyone, the general public view is that she is a nasty piece of work and her feckless husband a very damaged young man, for publicly bullying the Royal Family, particularly a 94 year old grandmother whose 99 year old husband is very ill in hospital.
Worse, to separate her husband from family, friends and country and then to seek to poison him and them against each other is not an act of love. You do not do that to someone you love.
As a member of the me, me, only me, generation, Markle has demonstrated absolute lack of grace, consideration and common human decency. Anyone who believes her litany of very silly stories is as gullible as her poor husband. If he ever wakes up to who she is and what he has done in her name, he will probably need to be on suicide watch. Let us hope he never wakes up.
The British monarchy has always been good at the “royal pretends to be rebel” scam. Prince Harry’s Mum was just such a figure, allegedly publicised to death by our right-wing tabloids (actually, she died because her driver was drunk).
Then there was the Queen’s Uncle David, who, as Prince of Wales, muttered something vaguely supportive after inspecting a parade of unemployed ex-servicemen. (This was before he came out as an admirer of Adolf Hitler).
Go back further, and historians of the eighteenth century can tell us about “the reversionary interest” – it was normal for the heir apparent, even the vile Prince Regent, to pose as a radical as long as his father was still alive.
You can’t have a radical monarchy. You can’t have a rebellious monarchy. You can’t have a woke monarchy. You can abolish the monarchy and start living in a grown-up country.
If anything happens to Will, does this mean she will be Queen Meghan one day? Oh Dear!
No, thankfully there are 3 children currently between `Just Call Me Harry’ and the throne.
Like car crash telly I hate myself for watching this, let alone commenting on it, but one can’t but help think that ‘someone’, or more precisely ‘some people’ have been played like a Strad here.
All part of life’s sh*+ tapestry, as I like to say.
It’s good entertainment. Nothing wrong with that.
what’s harry going to do after the divorce.. ?
The irony is Markle might be 1/16th black but it is not much. She looks like your average Italian, so would not have been passing on much colour to any children. Then again, these kids are IVF so it may not even be her eggs, just so she can play it safe. Tragic, all of it.
Tremendous stuff guys and gals. Ali G to Marie Antionette. Who is this Winifred Opera?
I am totally convinced that life of a Royal is not easy neither simple. But in times of Covid, economical crisis because of it and famin in the world apart from a very old monarch with a husband in hospital, this a true bad form. And the sobbing about not wanting to live anymore very bad taste since large numbers of people lost a beloved person because of Covid.The interview also seemed so well orchestrated and manipulative that it is really hard to believe that the have been Royals only wanted to tell their side of the story.
Harry talks of hurts. Well, dear boy, may be you are causing some hurts too at the moment. Their narratives showed signs of self centredness. Really, do they actually believe that they are the only people in the world that need to put on a show everyday and wipe away their tears? That is what life is about; surviving in society that has become pretty harsh and ruthless from time to time.
What I really found offensive was the mentioning of similarities in situation regarding mother Diana. She allways gave an impression of being genuinely vulnerable but also very authentic in her interest for people whilst Meghan just puts on an acting job very badly performed.
In the tabloids Megxile is mentioned, I wonder whether Harry and Meghan really understood to the fullest what the consequences of their interview would be. Pretty stupid and once again very bad form.
Must rate as the most deeply probing interview since George Washington’s father asked him if he had done any gardening lately. No statements were challenged, no specifics were asked for. If Oprah is the best the Americans can offer just how much could Jeremy Pacman or Andrew Neil make across the pond. The credulous reaction to it, from the White House down suggests the time is ripe to flog them another Tower Bridge!
or House of Lords,House of Commons buildings..?
What good is a monarchy if we can’t banish these two seditionists to a dark, damp dungeon?
I shall not be watching this. I dislike circuses and in particular clowns.
So sad this interview. So bad taste and form, throwing dirt at an institution that is mostly represented bij one old monarch and her eldest son with his family. The dagger could not have plunged any deeper into backs than this. Also the fact that two younger people talk about the hurts they had to suffer….Well hurt is most of the time a two lane road! The whining and sobbing was very uncalled for when you look at birth rights and the Covid crisis the world is facing. If you are such an intelligent, creative and strong character surely you would have been able to find help. Do these still immature parents have any idea what the actual consequences are of their badly performed actions?
as interesting as your points are, imo you are off the mark with oprah being any sort of queen. she’s pretty much played out and has been for awhile. otherwise she would have shown the interview on her OWN network instead of CBS. also Meghan was an actress of little real talent hence the most famous role of supporting actor on a secondary cable channel, the second most famous was being a suitcase girl on a gameshow. you give her too much credit; indeed, her best role was the utter domination of a clueless prince.
Diversity and equality are contradictory. This is because if you don’t recognise diversity then you don’t wish to assess whether equality exists across that diversity. And if you do recognise diversity, then you must be discriminating between the elements (people) that generate that diversity. It’s a catch 22. You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t.
If you voice any interest or curiosity as to whether Meghan’s baby has a black or white complexion then you’re going to be accused of colour prejudice. If you curb your curiosity then you’re trying to pretend it is of no significance, when you darn well know it is hugely significant to Britain’s Royalty, whose family tree features in most books on British history, which must mean you are frightened to be mistaken by others as colour prejudiced. It’s possible you simply weren’t at all curious because you have recently had a lobotomy or never needed one because little or nothing gains your interest. Arguably, being a courtier in Buckingham Palace could be the equivalent of a self-lobotomy.
Thanks to w.o.k.e-ism, racial or ethnic or colour discrimination is on the rise. Anyone who deviates from a country’s long-established norm in racial, ethnic, religion or skin colour is having to bear the brunt of a w.o.k.e society’s relentless over-preoccupation with equality and its risible or embarrassing quota-controlled diversity.
The Royal Family unthinkingly presumed they were immune to all this diversity-equality bu!!5h!t Then along came Meghan and the Royal Family were out of sorts and treading on eggs, the media gleefully playing out both sides of the argument, so we end up with an opportunistic dark-skinned sassy American girl from the world of California showbiz marrying a white skinned duke who just wants to have fun, where together they have challenged the heart & soul of the British Royal Establishment and, unsurprisingly, find it wanting.
An overwhelming majority of the unthinking public and young people who know that tomorrow belongs to them (for elderly me this means thank heavens for mortality) believe the simple cure is for Royalty to reinvent themselves as fit for the twenty first century. Heaven forbid there should be anything remotely constant in this world, not even when so many recent developments have become ugly and an increasing threat to society and world order. With Royalty there is a difference between deliberate tradition that can dovetail into the 21st century and an increasingly irrelevant old-fashioned-ness wrapped in aspic.
So while the Royal Family contemplate their “reason for being”, Meghan & Harry ride in to rescue our stricken planet!. In between those youthful trendy moments of feeling mentally ill and suicidal, Meghan & Harry plan from a base in California to reach the parts Britain’s Royal family can’t touch, which will prioritise a younger target than Buckingham Palace reaches. With or without the full official recognition and insignias of British Royalty, Meghan & Harry will be pitching a British Royal service on a universal rather than domestic scale. The Royal Family are now on the backfoot and will be reluctant to accuse Meghan & Harry of being imposters. Whatever their exact titles they’re on the Royal Family Tree.
I think over the next year or two Meghan & Harry’s credibility will wane or become flash-in-the-pan and they’ll be yesterday’s celebs, or at least fall from A-list to B-list. Meanwhile, they’re striking the iron while it’s hot and will pick up a load of money to add to the load of money they already have, so that when they eventually plateau they should live sumptuously and ever after. I don’t think their Royal services will seem any more shallow or superfluous than what the Royal Family gets up to. I think all of them deserve one another and I suspect they’ll eventually realise that and find some common ground.
Z list!…..I have sets of Cigarette cards from 1960s 1970s Only amous people Are Sports personalties who achieved something in real World eg Dr Roger Bannister (Neuro surgeon) People from History, pathologists,designers,Inventors, Not TV personalties,Royalty is between c16-c18 …etc How vacuous and ”Spiritless” Society has become
The depiction of Meghan and Harry standing up the power is a bit past it when you compare it to the power of the leftwing media.
What Meghan wants Meghan gets…..
Meghan wanted to be royalty in California, with all of the perks and none of the responsibilities. And she’s managed it! If she weren’t so loathsome I would admire her ambition.
Winners of The Shallowest Humans in the World Award! Not worth anyone’s time.
Now you really know what’s it’s like to be an American these days in woke America. I support some of it but not all if it. Swallowing something whole says you are a moron who does not think for themselves.
HMMM? I wonder if the Obamas and Clinton’s helped set this interview up since they are experts in creating wealth once out of office.
Can Americans ever distinguish between the silver screen and reality? A more naive nation never existed. Tell you what, Kat Rosefield, very few Brits would swap our Queen for your Biden/Trump/whatever
A week later and her lies have become notorious around the world.
You know what I just don’t get? Why Harry didn’t find someone to show her how to do a curtsey, and why he didn’t get her a counsellor if she was feeling suicidal. I mean, they’re supposed to be in love, aren’t they?
Tocqueville argued that New World colonies took the pros and cons of their mother countries and turned them up to eleven (possibly not using that precise expression). So it is with Harry and Meghan. They have taken the royals’ existing need for love, attention and being seen as “good people” and taken it to its logical extreme. While the rest of the family may well be upset, they are also partly to blame – they could have, like the Japanese, settled for being respected.
I joined Unherd to encounter views I don’t always agree with and to join serious debates. Frankly this topic concerning fibbertigibbet personalities on all sides is as dull as ditchwater. The manically obsessed Daily Mail is the place for this perhaps.
But you still couldn’t resist commenting eh?
Perhaps because I don’t have television and therefore could not spend two hours with Oprah and her “royal” guests, I am amazed at the 256 postings from folks who actually watched it. I could only do the first few comments before boredom stepped in. I spent my two hours watching a Ken Burns documentary on the Mayo Brothers who, I can assure you, have given more to the world than either of the three featured on CBS last night.
I hope you found my contribution on the Cladding Scandal interestingly dovetailed into the topic.
You would though wouldn’t you? If only to pi55 Ginge off.
Being #2 is a b*tch,
Does the victim game lead to the question ‘whatever else is there about these good folk that should interest us?’
beyond the pre-divorce agreement and how we – the PBT (poor bloody taxpayers) may have already agreed to pay for it – and how much – is there anything else there?
if not then isn’t hollywood the best place for it?
does the saying ‘there’s no there there’ have relevance?
Those who seek individual attention do not do well in the Royal Family.
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Diversity and equality are contradictions. If you recognise diversity, then you must be discriminating. So you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. If you voice any interest or curiosity as to whether Meghan’s baby is black or white you’re colour prejudiced. If you curb your curiosity then you’re trying to pretend it isn’t significant when you know it is, which means you’re frightened to be mistaken by others as colour prejudiced. All of this is on the rise thanks to w.o.k.e-ism’s relentless preoccupation with equality and its risible or embarrassing quota-controlled diversity.
The Royal Family unthinkingly presumed they were immune to all this diversity-equality bu!!5h!t Then along came Meghan, with Harry in tow, making the Royal Family feel they were treading on eggs and the media gleefully playing out both sides of the argument. We end up with an opportunistic dark-skinned sassy American girl from California showbiz marrying a white skinned duke who just wants to have fun, who together have challenged the heart & soul of the Royal Establishment and, unsurprisingly, found it wanting.
Young people who know that tomorrow belongs to them (believe the simple cure is for Royalty to reinvent themselves as fit for the 21st century. Heaven forbid there should be anything in this world, not even with so much happening that is ugly and threatening to society and world order.
While the Royal Family sulkily contemplate their “reason for being”, Meghan & Harry ride in to rescue our stricken planet! Between those youthful trendy moments of feeling mentally ill and suicidal, they plan from a base in California to reach the young w.o.k.e-y parts Britain’s Royal family can’t touch. The Royal Family are now on the backfoot and will be reluctant to accuse Meghan & Harry of being imposters. Whatever their exact titles they can’t be shaken off the Royal Family Tree.
I think Meghan & Harry’s credibility could wane or become flash-in-the-pan and they’ll be yesterday’s celebs, or at least fall from A-list to B-list. Meanwhile, they’re striking the iron while it’s hot and will pick up a load of money to add to the load they already have, so that when they can plateau and live sumptuously and happily ever after. I don’t think their Royal services will seem any more shallow or superfluous than what the Royal Family gets up to. I think all of them deserve one another and I suspect they’ll eventually realise that and find some common ground.
She must have got a shock when she realised she’d married the spare.
I thought this was UnHerd. Who cares about the Monarchy or the celebrities around it?
But if you think ignoring the heft and weight of the British tabloid press is a good thing, or the under the table dealings between the Crown and the yellow papers shouldn’t be investigated and exposed, you’re either a Mark or stand to benefit from the ignorance of the marks.
This article repeats two things that are inaccurate about the interview
1) Meghan did not say she was refused help. Frankly I’m amazed that very few people heard what she actually said. She asked for permission to go to some kind of facility and the PR guys (rightly) said that would be seriously bad press. She did not say she was refused help for mental issues. Which I’m sure was available, as it was for Harry, and William, and Charles.
2. Harry contradicted Meghan’s claim about racism – in the interview.
She said the Q ref colour was asked about Archie, while she was pregnant. Harry said it was about kids in general before they were married.
Why don’t we address the (less dramatic) things that they actually said. Because it is less exciting?
Reading through your comments, I can see why she headed off back west. The English really dont like her. What a load of bitter, cynical, petty sniping. It’s low.
Hands up, I didn’t watch the whole interview because I couldn’t be bothered and I don’t know how honest or not she is (I don’t care really, like I don’t care about the minutiae of exactly how black her race card really is), but surely one can wish them well, rather than hopefully predicting it’ll end in ruin caused by the evil princess?
Harry seems a fairly genuine bloke, and I actually respect him for ‘rebelling’ against an obsolete, oppressive institution. If the royal staff are anything like the pompous affected cretins that pop up on tv labelled as ‘royal correspondents’ it must be a living nightmare.
Good luck to him and his wife and daughter, I hope it works out well for them.
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Have gone from not having any particular opinion of Meghan Markle to becoming a huge fan
The disruption she is causing to our constitutional and media arrangements is a welcome jolt
Isn’t it so interesting as it is predictable that when Diana collaborated with Andrew Morton book, gave a vengeful interview on television and then equally vengefully (if understandably) proceeded to have affairs there was none of this reaction that is being meted out to Meghan! Makes one wonder?
Wonder about what? Unlike Diana, Markle has no Camilla to contend with. Unlike Diana, Markle is involved in nothing remotely related to bringing attention to things like land mines and kids with AIDS. This list goes on for a while.
We `knew’ Diana for 15 years. Saw her hug AIDS victims and bring attention to Landmines among other causes she championed…
We’ve known of Meghan for 3 years, 1 of which has been spent in the states sending salvos at the Monarchy.
We also didn’t have social media like today. It is brutal and narcissistic in itself. People love to talk about themselves, their ‘poor me’ syndromes.
Genuine question: how many of those calling out the “race card” are white?
Now most of the tidbits I’ve heard so far are nothing more than a petty squabble, but the moment suicide and race (or other form of discrimination for that matter) gets mentioned, surely you get off of your soapbox and become a bit more pragmatic?
It’s possible to be both dramatic (as she no doubt is, hard to be an actor otherwise) and yet face discrimination; your disposition doesn’t disqualify the actions against you.
Whatever the reason, the Princess of Wales and the Duchess of Sussex both seem to have felt like outsiders in the Royal Firm, and have spoke of an… unsupportive environment from the Curia – sorry, the household.
The press however were less openly hostile to the Princess of Wales than to Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. For the latter, there are collections of tabloid headlines about similar scenarios (from the sublime to the ridiculous), which are spun completely differently when it was about Meghan rather than Kate. Press attacks started when Harry and Meghan first became a couple, so can hardly be blamed on a gradual reaction to alleged political statements.
The same flowers that were praised at William and Kate’s wedding were castigated as potentially lethal to a tiny flower girl at Harry and Megan’s – even though the tiny tot was wearing completely different, non-toxic flowers.
The Express gushed about William passing Kate a gift of an avocado when she had morning sickness, but Harry’s gift to Meghan of an avocado was linked by the Express to “water shortages, illegal deforestation and all round general environmental devastation”.
Sarah Vine, in the Mail, praised Kate’s fashion sense and style – and a month later accused Megan of being fashion royalty, not the real thing.
I have no window into the souls of these journalists (if indeed they have any), but something seems very unbalanced in how they have treated the two royal spouses. Maybe the Royals are not the ones who need to “get a proper job”?
In response to the apparent ‘avocado’ incidents (I knew nothing of them) it is very, very simple. Neither William, nor Kate have lectured us about such topics, as Meghan did, incessantly.
How come they were determined to go and live in Africa, until they visited there – and have ended up at the total other end of the spectrum – Hollywood?
Lectured or provided awareness?
Depends on your bias.
and Vancouver, they MUST be totally unobservant or illogical, They had security to Vancouver,their original choice of abode.But it isn’t the HM Queen who decides Security it is police Commissioner in london,they Dont Wish to do civil duties,so they are not entitled to Royal Protection
The article about avocados was just that – an article about the problems of avocados in the context of environmental impact .
how many of those calling out the “race card” are white?
From what I can tell, almost all. One might say her racial combination was a benefit in the acting world rather than a hindrance. But to your broader question, much of today’s “anti-racist” nonsense is led by white people who see a means of making a living and perpetuating grievances.
You have a lot of strong opinions about something you have no lived experienced about.
It’s the equivalent of a man positioning himself as the go-to expert on tampons then explaining to women how best to insert one.
Is it so very hard to just suspend an opinion about something you have no idea about?
Because I guarantee that if you died and got a second shot at life, you wouldn’t come back Black or Black biracial.
So do you, so do I, so does everybody. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
For example, I didn’t experience the horrific campaign of abuse and denigration that those employees of Smith College were subjected to by Oumou Kanoute and Kathleen McCartney. But I still have a strong opinion about it.
So spare us your woke drivel Linette.
It is a poisonous, stupid, nasty and racist ideology dreamt up by rich, middle-class people in the Social Science departments of exclusive American colleges who live lives of sheltered privilege, and we don’t want it infecting the rest of the world.
You’re making a false equivalency. This is not simply dichotomy about good and evil.
“ From what I can tell, almost all. One might say her racial combination was a benefit in the acting world rather than a hindrance”
When one becomes a Black yet racially ambiguous actress, I guess you can throw in your two cents.
“Black yet racially ambiguous” is a contradiction in terms…
You have a lot of strong opinions about something you have no lived experienced about.
You have no idea of my experiences, so why broadcast your ignorance of something here? Your savior complex is noted.
I’m darker than Markle is, but fail to see the point of whining about it all day, especially when it helps to land acting jobs. Or princes.
Tell me all about the benefits besides being less likely to get skin cancer.
Tell me how her racial makeup was a drawback. It didn’t prevent Hollywood from hiring her or Harry from marrying her. Maybe you could stop treating black people like pets, mascots, and victims.
As to benefits: preference in college admissions, the diversity and inclusion industry that sees skin color at an employment metric, and the availability of apologists like you who will explain any bad decision or circumstance as evidence of racism.
What is this “lived experience” with which you are so boringly obsessive? Presumably you mean ‘individual’ and or very ‘personal’ experience? Fair enough but that is entirely your concern; it does not entitle you to disparage/imagine/dictate or presume anything about the personal lives of others. Does one perhaps discern a particular Markle-like self obsession. You offer NO evidence for absolutist statements but merely hint at superior ‘knowing’. Like the faker Markle, you present merely as a ‘wanna-be’ member of the Woke club. Unconvincing.
It was a man who invented the tampon. Go figure 🙂
Plus the palace withholding the traditional title of prince from Archie which denies him the protection he’ll need.
Then passing it off as Meghan and Harry’s decision to forgo a title. Tut-tut.
You do not know what you are talking about, I suggest you read George V declaration. Only the grandchildren down the direct male line of the reigning monarch are entitled to the title of Prince or Princess. Archie is a great grandchild. Great grandchildren in the direct line of succession, such as the children of William are however so entitled.
The “Woke” are as impervious to fact as to reason. There is little further point in replying further to this preposterous provocateur, except that it informs and enlightens the rest of us.
Yes, I am beginning to realise she is indeed preposterous! A wonderful word we don’t use enough.
Tut-tut! *clinks glasses of port*
She was talking about when Charles becomes King
Jane, several people have tried to tell Linnette that she’s mistaken about this issue but she thinks she knows it all. Save your energy, ignore her. She’s feeding on the attention, rather like Me-again
Acquaint yourself with the facts before posting such uneducated drivel.
Your utter ignorance is become epic. Please go and read up on the matter.
Ignorant person,Why display your non understanding of British constitution or Royal Succession?….Making an idiot of yourself,No doubt you’ll say i’m a ‘misogynist’ Lack empathy and similar left or Right wing drivel!!
What is making the people in these comments (and the slant of the article) so vicious?
Maybe the viciousness of the interview?
Because there are still (thankfully) many British citizens who value, truth, honesty and respect towards our royal family.
Can’t see any ‘viciousness’. It’s well-deserved mocking and scorn.
So much for dignity. All gone! No more monarchy for Great Britain, it seems. They should have had more sense – but then there is Charles who attends “Great Reset” conferences with the fool, Schaub who has the foolish young man, Matt Hancock in tow!
Poor Harry!
It takes a fantasist to reveal the ugly underbelly of the ultimate fantasy – which monarchy is. No more. No less.
Time to junk the institution surely. An unwieldy hybrid of antedeluvian flummery and mass media celebrity (both hero and zero naturally), its ship has sailed. The Empire’s gone, the Union going. And could usefully be accompanied by the rest: the equally ridiculous House of Lords, and the Commons too. Written Constitution embodying proportional representation. In short, a popular republic.
I wanted to give you an uptick, but it turned in to a downtick
Those Russians again….
If two people downtick as you uptick, it turns to a downtick.
So no way of knowing how many ‘ups’ or ‘downs’
As much as I dislike the current crop in the House of Lords, they do, as they are in elected, provide a bulkhead against the most extreme forms of popularism.
Britain enjoys the benefits of having a both a written constitution (of sorts) and an unwritten constitution (common law). Why would we change it for something as unwieldy as the US constitution?
Upvote, assuming you meant “unelected”?
Yep.