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Make way for the first female President Capable, ambitious and better-liked than her father — Ivanka Trump might just inherit the nation

In her father's footsteps. Credit: Chip Somodevilla/Getty

In her father's footsteps. Credit: Chip Somodevilla/Getty


December 21, 2020   4 mins

There was a time when Americans believed that a decisive election loss would actually make Donald Trump go away. That he’d stuff his belongings into a suitcase, maybe liberate a few bath towels from the executive suite, and vanish into the mist. Oh sure, he’d reappear eventually — on a golf course, as a Fox News talking head, maybe on the front cover of a supermarket tabloid when Melania finally filed for divorce. But his life in public service would be over, and with it, the need to constantly worry not just about the whereabouts and activities of Donald J. Trump, but also about whatever all those kids of his were up to.

Indeed, a crucial part of this fantasy was that Trump wouldn’t be leaving alone. A return to normalcy meant that the various and sundry Trumplets who’d been littered across the public landscape since their father first announced his candidacy would be swept offstage in the bargain, forced out of the spotlight by Donald’s ignominious defeat. Where would they go? Who knew? Who cared?! You don’t have to go home, kids, but you can’t stay here. (Except you, Tiffany. You’re cool.)

With hindsight, we should have known better. The idea that Trump might go quietly into the night was always a delusional one. But where we truly lost the plot was in imagining that the entire family would simply step out of the spotlight, rather than taking their place in a new American political dynasty in the making. The large adult Trumps are here to stay, a Succession spin-off made for reality TV.

The boys, of course, have been waiting their whole lives for this. Donald Jr, particularly, has come a long way since he was photographed sitting on a tree stump for a 2017 New York Times profile, gazing wistfully into the distance like the world’s saddest L.L. Bean catalogue model. Once lost, but now found: by all accounts, Don Jr. spent his life up until the campaign desperately seeking his father’s approval, only to become an unlikely asset to the family for all the ways in which he didn’t quite fit in. Don Jr. was an outdoorsman, a hunter, an avid wearer of camouflage and flannel — things which once mystified his father, but made him uniquely capable of connecting on the campaign trail with rural voters who might have otherwise balked at voting for a rich, pampered reality-TV star with a permanent spray tan and soft, ladylike little hands.

Never mind the money, the fame, the influence: Don Jr. has found his purpose, and he isn’t going anywhere. With a flattering pandemic beard, an Instagram account stocked with owning-the-libs memes, and a fresh collection of loony conspiracy theories about Chinese spies inside the Biden administration, he’s ready to claim his legacy in a Republican party permanently reshaped by his father’s presidency.

As for Eric, well, he’s trying — but neither his beard nor his conspiracy theory meme game are as strong as his brother’s, which is probably why everyone is more excited about his wife’s political future than his own. (Lara Trump is reportedly considering a senatorial run in her home state of North Carolina.) He could, however, open up a whole new path for the husbands of female elected officials within the Republican party, securing the crucial Wife Guy voting bloc in future elections.

But when it comes to the greatest hopes for a Trump dynasty, the future, as they say, is female.

It is baffling that nobody took Ivanka more seriously from the get-go. It’s even more baffling that the preferred approach by press and public alike was to try and shame her into submission, as if she weren’t the immediate progeny of a man notoriously, and probably genetically, incapable of feeling that particular sensation. But at first, Ivanka was seen as a pressure point within the administration, one of few people who might hold some sway over the President’s policies. We pleaded with her, scolded her, booed and boycotted her in the hopes that she’d do the right thing (not that anyone could quite agree on what the right thing was.) When that didn’t work, the mood changed.

If Ivanka wouldn’t reject her father, or the role in his administration for which she was clearly unqualified, then we’d reject her: celebrating her failures, memeing her awkward intrusions onto the world stage, even blaming her when possible for the more disastrous moments in her father’s presidency. When Donald Trump tear-gassed protesters to clear the way for a Bible-brandishing photo op in front of Lafayette Church this past summer, media outlets made sure we knew that it was Ivanka who carried the book — in “her $1,540 MaxMara bag”, no less!

And when the election was over, some parts of the Left seemed more excited about punishing Ivanka for her complicity than about welcoming her father’s successor. Even as Trump himself launched a hopeless but disturbing campaign to invalidate the election results, people clung gleefully to the vision of Ivanka coming home with her tail between her legs, only to see herself shunned and abandoned by the New York social elite who was only ever barely tolerating her to begin with.

Texts would go unreturned; invitations would not be extended; restaurants where she wanted to dine would be inexplicably unable to accommodate her. In Vanity Fair, Ivanka’s high school best friend crowed over her old pal’s impending ruination, noting smugly that Ivanka, with her new money and gold-plated jewellery and bad opinions on Palestine, was always too gauche, too Trumpy, to really belong. Plus, she once farted and blamed it on somebody else. You know who else refuses to take responsibility for their farts? Peasants.

Was this fun? Well, yes. But was it wise? Almost certainly not, considering what now seems not just rumored but inevitable: not only will New York’s upper crust not have the pleasure of rebuffing Ivanka from polite society, they won’t even get the chance. She’s off to Florida to plan the next step in her political career, perhaps a senate run in her new home state where the Trump name still has a certain panache. After all those articles about how she daren’t show her face in Manhattan ever again, why not? What else?

Frustrated liberals have grumbled in jest for years that the first woman President will probably be a Republican, owing to the Left’s unfortunate tendency to eat its allies alive. But with Ivanka Trump on the scene, the grumbling suddenly seems more prescient than joking, because here she is. Beautiful, capable, unabashedly ambitious, and better-liked than her father — who managed to win the U.S. Presidency despite the fact that more than half the country didn’t like him at all. It’s not hard to imagine what might come next. Let the snooty old-money heiresses keep their fortunes: Ivanka is about to inherit a nation.


Kat Rosenfield is an UnHerd columnist and co-host of the Feminine Chaos podcast. Her latest novel is You Must Remember This.

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Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
4 years ago

‘…a fresh collection of loony conspiracy theories about Chinese spies inside the Biden administration,’

The is not necessarily a conspiracy theory. We know that the Chinese have infiltrated every area of American life. We know that Eric Swalwell, the Democrat Congressman (or is he a Senator) was sleeping with a Chinese spy. We know that the Chinese gave 1.5 billion to Hunter Biden’s investment vehicle. (The Biden’s are, essentially, owned by the Chinese.) We know that the Chinese have admitted their frustration at not being able to influence US policy during the Trump administration. We know that Biden/Harris will roll back Trump’s trade deals, further destroying the American working class.

This is a mindless and superficial article that more properly belongs in The Guardian.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

“The Biden’s are, essentially, owned by the Chinese”

Is this the latest conspiracy ?

stephen f.
stephen f.
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

I knew when I read the title of this article that you would make an appearance…

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
4 years ago
Reply to  stephen f.

He is a member of the elite you know

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
4 years ago

That’s a bit unfair. He is an American Money Lender who has made London his home for the past twelve years, and whilst deranged over Brexit, is well informed and erudite.

It would be a bit sad if we all “sang from the same hymn sheet”, where would be the a good hearted banter?

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Still playing the man I see Mark. Care to share your occupation, work history and domicile?

(mind you, Ethniciodo could start with a name)

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Sturmbannfuhrer Kevin, how goes it with your pronounced antisemitism?Do you have your doubts about Ethniciodo?Where is your defence of Merkel setting off a racial time bomb? You’ve had two days.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
4 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Where’s the fun being fair.

Also being deranged over Brexit tends to poison every other well

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
4 years ago

I was taught not to “mock the afflicted”, but as you say, where’s the sport in that?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

The Biden connection to China is hardly new.

Nun Yerbizness
Nun Yerbizness
4 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

said the mindless and superficial trumphole

stephen f.
stephen f.
3 years ago
Reply to  Nun Yerbizness

Clearly we have a philosopher here.

Elizabeth Cronin
Elizabeth Cronin
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

I was sending money to Biden’s campaign though it was milquetoast at best. I then had a friend who is a Uighur in my office. When I said I was supporting Biden, he told me that he has family in internment camps in China and they did not know their status. This was the same day, the US Institute Policy newsletter discussed that Apple’s supply chain may include slave labor. My friend said Hunter Biden had ties to the company doing the surveillance. NPR had just run a segment that the surveillance technology was developed by a US researcher. (ugh.) So it is hardly far fetched to accept what my friend said was true. I then heard Taiwan was buying as much military supplies as they could under the radar. I came to realize how important who the sitting president would be at this point in history. Being in CA, I didn’t have to make a choice on voting for Trump or not as it’s such a blue state. I voted for a 3rd party that I hope eventually breaks up the strangle hold of our corrupt two party system. Like many things, what was once a strength, is now a weakness.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago

The only benefit to seeing her as a candidate is the reaction of all those weeping at the loss of Hillary, “America is ready for a woman president” types.

It would be hilarious to see them change stance 180 degrees in an instant, with no hint of self awareness.

B B
B B
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

Politics is too serious for anyone to care about the occasional moments of hilarious hypocrisy on either side.

mctiller
mctiller
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

Hillary was qualified. This one is not.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  mctiller

That’s a matter of opinion, of course. And many would disagree. HRC did parlay her marriage to a president into a Sec of State position (a consolation for losing the presidential election) she would not have been given otherwise but she had no successes as Sec of State to point to. Mileage is not a success, although she always points to how many miles she flew when asked about her success as SOS.

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
4 years ago

Agreed about her lack of success as Secretary of State. Nor did she do much as senator for 8 years. And she wouldn’t have gotten the senatorial seat without Bill having been POTUS either. So, while I question Ivanka’s qualifications for such a high political post, I have to do the same for Hillary’s as well.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Tom Krehbiel

Agreed. The difference of course is that only HRC thought she could be president with no qualifications. Unless I’ve missed a few news cycles, I’m unaware of Ivanka Trump either suggesting running for president or claiming to be qualified to do so. Picking a person out of 330 million Americans and saying well, you know, she really isn’t qualified to be president is pretty pointless when they haven’t asked for the job.

Stephen Collins
Stephen Collins
3 years ago

To paraphrase: Mileage is not a qualification. Just look at Biden.

stephen f.
stephen f.
3 years ago
Reply to  mctiller

at this point “what difference does it make…?”

Alex Mitchell
Alex Mitchell
4 years ago

‘The role for which she was clearly unqualified’. She would hardly be alone in that in politics.

B B
B B
4 years ago
Reply to  Alex Mitchell

Which is not an argument in favour of letting her in to politics, but an argument for keeping more people like her out of it.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  B B

How do you keep people out of politics? Bar them from running for office?

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago

How else? It’s massively disturbing that so many people think that way and are, apparently, completely insentient of the implication of their words.

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
4 years ago
Reply to  ard10027

Perhaps by the voters being the wiser about whom they select for a given office. It doesn’t have to be by authoritarian measures. Having said that, I must admit I don’t have the confidence in the electorate that I had as a young man.

ard10027
ard10027
3 years ago
Reply to  Tom Krehbiel

Yes, so many of them will insist on not seeing things your way, won’t they?

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  ard10027

Agreed. Plenty of folks would say it’s just fine to bar people from running for office.

Alex Mitchell
Alex Mitchell
4 years ago
Reply to  B B

Too true. If we could only solve that problem, we might get somewhere

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
4 years ago

I think she will have to shine, and all her family, when seen through the light of the Biden offspring. I would vote for her. Every recent political dynasty from the Kennedy’s to the Clinton’s and the Bush mess have been repulsive. But the Trump kids? Temperate, smart, hard working, and Pro American Values.

Jonathan Barker
Jonathan Barker
4 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Yes they are all professional grifters – whats in it for me is their primary concern.
Cold hearted reptiles from the green lagoon or black swamp.

I fell off my seat laughing in response to the line about The Donald who has been and, still is a life long professional grifter retiring from his temporary role (or life) as public service – what a hoot!

He has probably never ever done an other serving gesture or thing in his entire life.

stephen f.
stephen f.
4 years ago

TDS is not a response-this grifter donated his pay as president, for starters-try and read more than just fellow traveler pieces that reinforce your prejudices.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  stephen f.

Prejudices don’t apply to you…right?
Trump (pre president) never donated any money to charities which is quite “strange” in NYC since the rest of the billionaires (the real ones) are famous for their generous donations .
There are no universities buildings named Trump or Hospital/Museum Wings….
But you are right…he donated his salary to charity.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

There’s a University 🙂

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

True…LOL

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

“But the Trump kids? Temperate, smart, hard working, and Pro American Values.”
That is one of the most absurd statement ever made about Trump’s kids.
His sons are Fredo & Fredo. Ivanka is empty.

stephen f.
stephen f.
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Take your TDS somewhere else.

B B
B B
4 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Trump’s children are talentless rich kids with arrogant, entitled attitudes and almost no grasp of the difficulties faced by ordinary Americans in their lives. Even the daily lives of well-educated Americans with college degrees and professional jobs are completely outside their understanding.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  B B

Well, that should certainly lead to political success. Look at Bush 2.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago

I’d be delighted to have a female president although I don’t specifically vote on race or sex or even political party. I would put Ivanka down the line a bit though, not that she isn’t smart and hard working. I’d love to see Nikki Haley as president, she would definitely get my vote. I like Amy Klobuchar as well. Also smart and hard working.

This article makes women look catty and juvenile. Sad caricature that masquerades junior high schoolers as adult women. Not all women root for other women to fail.

David George
David George
4 years ago

Yes to Nikki Haley or Tulsi Gabbard if she has the good sense to abandon the appalling Democrat party.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago
Reply to  David George

Quite a few decent women candidates…and you get Hillary and Commala.

It’s almost as if they did a female only shortlist, and picked the ones at the bottom of the list for some reason.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

Biden did. He specifically said his VP had to be a black female. Harris was an affirmative action candidate and will be an affirmative action VP. This makes her easier for people to dismiss since she wasn’t chosen for anything that actually matters. The sad thing is that it was Biden himself who labeled her that. What a complete dolt. He could have simply chosen her rather than first say only a black female would do. She might have been taken more seriously if he had done that.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago

Kamal is a cop, though. Consider her enemies.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Being a cop is irrelevant. Harris was chosen for gender and race. And she’ll be taken as seriously as a choice based on those elements warrants.

Tim Knight
Tim Knight
4 years ago
Reply to  David George

I would add Michelle Alexander into the mix.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  David George

I like Tulsi as well.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago

You could replace “female” in that first line with black, gay, immigrant, anything really, without raising offence… but if a white man said the same, it’s the end of the world.

As a non white immigrant, it is fascinating to see how the only group who are castigated for preferring their own culture, interests or like minded companions are straight white men….who incidentally have also invented, built or creates 90% of the modern world.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

Trump is an embarrassment to white people.
Bismarck vs. Trump

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Actually, not. Although he is crass, simple, naive, uneducated, I would have voted for him simply because he was anti-Establishment. For too long there has been a certain class of people who believe THEY are the ruling class. An incestuous lot, none of whom has ever felt the rough end of the stick, contemptuous of anyone who does not hold their narrow middle class, psuedo-liberal, quasi-democratic views. Politics to them is just a game of musical chairs. Sometimes they win, sometimes they don’t, but the losers are usually the working and lower middle classes whatever the administration.

Politics needs a bomb under it, and I had hoped that Trump might have a role in blowing the system asunder. In the end Establishment hostility and his own failings undermined him. But an embarrassment to me? No. Only to that obnoxious class who believe they have the right to run the country.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

I respect the truth in this comment. It’s the truth of both Trump and Brexit. There’s a large swathe of people who don’t care about policies or economics or values. They just want to stick it to the ‘elites’ (a meaningless label you can attach to whoever you don’t like). They don’t care about bringing it all down, as long as they see pain in their ‘enemies’. There’s a malicious glee all over the Right, that I can’t quite fathom, since as this comment points out, they’re nearly as much the target as the Left. I’m trying to be optimistic that a post Trump world recognises this threat, and tries to fix it (though I’m not sure how).

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

On the contrary, it’s all about values, and the point I was trying to make was that Establishment values are not the values of the majority. This holds true for the UK, the US and the EU. This is why the governing classes are so unpopular.

I have no,idea why you think anybody who disagrees with you is on the “Right”. Most people have a mixture of beliefs and values which cut across the Right-Left divide. It’s the extremists with their rigid ideology that cannot see it.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

I don’t think everybody who disagrees with me is on the right. I’m talking about the commenters here.
I have friends on the left who consider me an Islamophobe, a rampant capitalist and intolerant of sexual diversity.
Obviously I think they’re all wrong and I’m right.

(Having observed both sides, there is noticeably more glee and anger on the right, in my humble opinion)

David George
David George
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

There may well be a “malicious glee” though not widespread and not confined to one side of the fence from what I see.
What we are seeing is a reaction to a system that has become corrupt, corruption that we all have a responsibility to expose and demand better of.
There are strong warning signs of that corruption; criminalisation of speech (with the truth as no defense), an activist approach to journalism from a blatantly partisan media, denigration of foundational institutions and indoctrination and ideological homogeneity at the educational institutions. None of that bodes well for a functional democracy. Drain the swamp!

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  David George

Agree with much of what you say about journalism and foundational institutions…but you would have to be willfully blind, deaf and stupid to consider Trump a solution to those problems, instead of someone who has massively increased them.

‘The swamp’ is another vague meaningless enemy (like elites) that allows everyone to hang their own specific grudges on.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Elites do not have grudges against other elites. And the swamp has no problem with the swamp.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Brexit was about economics, policies and values. That was the entire point. Every Brexit issue involved at least one of these three.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago

Someone an hour ago on this article told me Brexit was all about immigrants.

Do you think it would be possible for the right to get together and agree on what ‘Elites’ means, who lives in ‘The Swamp’ and why the Brits voted for Brexit ?

(Because it seems to me that they’ve no idea and are all talking about different things)

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Immigration is an economic issue. It is also a values issue and immigration policy was a central Brexit issue. In fact, I doubt you could name a single Brexit issue not related to economics, policies or values. As these were, as I said, the point of Brexit.

Anyone who is not among the elites has no problem recognizing them. The swamp isn’t a place. It’s a mindset.

Judy Johnson
Judy Johnson
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

I agree; it was mostly about immigration and xenophobia.

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Yeah, I really don’t think that I could apply the term “elite” to a school janitor who I disliked. Or I could, but not without becoming a laughingstock to many, and rightfully so.

Brian Dorsley
Brian Dorsley
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

You’re wrong. Most people who voted for Trump and Brexit didn’t like the path they were on and wanted to change direction within the only avenue left open to them: their democratic vote. Your picture of the ‘right’ is a caricature drawn up by a media class hostile to those who have a different vision to them.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

I agree. I most wanted Trump’s polices,,particularly to get off the war train and I saw HRC as a continuation of the failed Bush/Obama years. We must recognize that we live in 2020, not 1945. The elites were never going to have that realization. Trump did. The minute he proposed bring US troops home, he had my vote. Just hope he can get more home before Jan 20.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

Lots of white men would say they’d be happy to see a woman president. I’d also be perfectly happy to see a white male president. As I said, I don’t vote based on race or sex. And there are plenty of men who do not either.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago

Don’t get me wrong, I am not having a go at your statement per se, nothing wrong with what you said and would agree most people dont tend to vote based in race or sex.

Just struck me though that in today’s world, there is can inherent inconsistency built up. And reactions are based on who says something, rather than what is being said.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

For some people, yes. But for the vast majority, I don’t believe that to be true. And you really can’t change people who vote based on someone’s race or sex. They have the right to do that even if many find it silly. In some sense I agree with the idea that people get what they vote for, how else do you explain places like California?

Charles Rense
Charles Rense
4 years ago

If I hadn’t lived to see the son of George Bush become president I’d have said you were crazy.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Charles Rense

The son of Bush. That’s the most unlikely presidential candidate in recent memory ?? I’m racking my brains, but I’m sure there was another one. I think it was maybe a cartoon show about an orange businessman ? Help me out here.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

I bet you don’t know anybody in your circle who voted for the Orange one…or voted Brexit, believes in immigration control….

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

I don’t know anybody who Doesn’t believe in immigration control. I’ve never heard a single person make that argument, and don’t give me Merkel’s one-off humanitarian gesture to Syrian refugees

Despite the right’s relentless attempt to keep building that straw man, I don’t believe that person exists* except in the fevered imagination of the right.

(* not counting proper fringe loonies)

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

The parliamentary Labour Party and the Home Office are almost entirely comprised of ‘proper fringe loonies’. Not to mention all the charities and NGOs etc. One of the many, many problems of our age is that it is the ‘proper fringe loonies’ who aspire to, and again, position of power and influence.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Who in the UK Labour party or Home Office has said that the European continent should have no external borders ?

B B
B B
4 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

You are entirely mistaken about the Home Office officials. They are obedient officials following the rules laid down for them. Parliament makes those rules.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

The most left wing German colleague I work with was called a N**i for suggesting stronger border checks on his Facebook page.

Syria, 600-800km from Egypt, Saudi, next door to Iraq, 3500km from Merkel who absolutely had to let them in.

For a one off, the gesture for Syrian “refugees” (mostly men, because women and kids are absolutely fine in war) seems to have gone on for a pretty long time, tried to force itself on countries like Poland that do not wish to be part of it and embraced a catchment area for “refugees” that’s rather larger than Syria.

David Cockayne
David Cockayne
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Have you read The Economist, recently?

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  David Cockayne

I don’t subscribe. It’s too long to read in week. Can you summarise the main points.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Last I heard the EU has made immigration control between EU countries illegal so they certainly don’t believe in immigration control. And 48 per cent of the country voted to stay within this system

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

I understand. You’re moving the goalposts. It’s not the movement of Africans into the EU that bothers the right when they rant about ‘hordes of immigrants’. It’s the migration of Dutch to the UK. Gotcha.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

No goalposts moved at all. You just want a racist slant on it. You must have been asleep during the Referendum because immigration was a key issue. People from the poorer, lower paid EU states found the UK a most attractive place to work in and this held wages down for the working classes. These also found their waiting times to see their doctor etc greatly increased as populations in specific areas increased rapidly.

Another impact of immigration, in case you haven’t noticed it, is the increased demand for housing in a country which is already one of the most densely populated in Europe. The Green Party doesn’t seem to have noticed the connection between wildlife habitats, spaces for different ecosystems, less polluted air, and population density because they are all for immigration too.

You sound like a product of Blair’s great “university” expansion. Enough said!

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Both are economic issues.

William Harvey
William Harvey
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

I noticed that once Covid hit, it took about a week for the internal borders to go back up in Europe. Even today they’ve effectively shut the border to the UK. If covid has taught us anything, its that countries and borders really matter. The UK may have fared far better in covid if ( like most other islands) they’d have shut their borders more effectively. Take a look at ourworldindata.org and filter the “island” countries. UK is a stand out on how badly it has done.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Merkel’s gesture would have been fine had she not insisted that her gesture also apply to everyone else. See that’s disrespecting immigration control.

stephen f.
stephen f.
3 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

This entire conversation is about a straw woman that everyone is attacking or defending.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
4 years ago
Reply to  Charles Rense

Yes indeed, I thought the Resurrection was more likely, but like you witnessed the impossible!

Tom Krehbiel
Tom Krehbiel
4 years ago
Reply to  Charles Rense

But he was governor of Texas for six years before becoming the POTUS. And Ronald Reagan had eight years as governor of California, despite so many Democrats and other leftists acting like he’d gone straight from Hollywood to the presidency. If being governor of Arkansas is a proper qualification, then surely being in that post of a much larger state is even more so.

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago

Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser. Trump is right to fight for every millimeter, and I would hope the rest of his family is the same. If there is to be any hope of saving western civilization, we really need it to be “Trumpized” from top to bottom and have a population of vulgarians who don’t apologize for their history and culture. We’ve had sixty years of socialism flowing through the cultural bloodstream like poison and this is where we’re at, on the point of total civilizational collapse and with a man who does an excellent impression of a Chinese asset in the White House. Who knows. Maybe the Trumps will turn out to be the Medici of the 21st century.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  ard10027

Trump can not spell “Western Civilization”.

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

“Cannot”.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

And that short statement unwittingly sums up the attitude, the contempt felt by the elite, college “educated” towards not just Trump, but also the deplorables who dared vote for him.

The white men who fought to end slavery, destroy fascism and build the railroads and factories that made America what it is, would all vote for Trump.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

The former slave states voted for Trump.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Descendants of slaves, then!

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

“former”

David Cockayne
David Cockayne
4 years ago
Reply to  Blue Tev

My entire white male parental generation actually did fight fascism; one of them died at Anzio. Not one of them would have voted for Trump

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  David Cockayne

Amazing how you can speak for your dead father and uncles – if that is what you mean by parental generation

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

Elitism is apparently inheritable.

David Cockayne
David Cockayne
3 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

Not at all amazing. Some families actually discuss such matters and pass on their values to their children. I’m sorry if yours didn’t.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  David Cockayne

All of the white males in my family who fought in Korea and Vietnam didn’t.

Blue Tev
Blue Tev
4 years ago
Reply to  David Cockayne

I suspect you may have been surprised by their attitudes towards mass immigration, gay marriage and feminism.

stephen f.
stephen f.
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

TDS indeed-the triggered are out and typing.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago
Reply to  stephen f.

Is there a prize for the person who uses ‘TDS’ the most in a thread today?

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  stephen f.

Yes, strange that some would be bothered by a president who is attempting a coup in the greatest and oldest democracy on the planet. 235 years of presidential aspirants saying “I lost”. TDS indeed. How about reality being more than a bit worrisome when the deranged and deluded are in the Oval office.

B B
B B
4 years ago

Greatest, but definitely not oldest.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  B B

Oldest as in continuity of democratic rule, not oldest as in earliest established.

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago

My parents voted for Biden. I screamed so loud at them, the police were called. They threw me out of the cemetery. It’s not a coup if you’re overthrowing another coup.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

And cares less than that about it.

B B
B B
4 years ago
Reply to  ard10027

I agree about the need to defend Western values and civilization. But Mr. Trump is definitely not a good example of those values

Joann Buff
Joann Buff
4 years ago
Reply to  B B

Trump was a life long liberal and still acts like it. Hysterical hypocrisy. Libs all loved him when he was still a Dem.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  Joann Buff

No, Joann, they didn’t. New Yorkers, liberal and blue to the core, despised the man and still do.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago

I think that explains a lot of what Trump is. A lot of that relentless boasting and bluster was to win NY. He thought with enough bling and a TV sleb profile that the city would accept him as a success. Instead they saw him as the cheap, shallow huckster that he is and treated him like a joke.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Kevin Ryan

Yeah those New Yorkers really really hate celebs and hucksters. You have to be REAL to make it in New York. We don’t put up with no boasting or bluster.

Seriously, thanks for the laughs. I’m a total New Yorker born and raised and rarely have I been as amused by a charmingly naive attempt to polish the New York image. Have you ever actually been to New York? It’s a city built on boast and bluster, loaded with bling and celebs.

mctiller
mctiller
4 years ago
Reply to  Joann Buff

No we certainly did not love him. Ever.

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago
Reply to  Joann Buff

I suspect he was a Dem because he had to pay them bribe money for building permits. Maybe he just got tired of being bled.

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago
Reply to  B B

You’re right. He isn’t. Neither was George Patton. Or El Cid.

Kevin Ryan
Kevin Ryan
4 years ago

Ivanka Trump, Kim Kardashian, Nicki Minaj, Gwyneth Paltrow, Paris Hilton. So many great candidates, it’s a pity to just pick one.

David J
David J
4 years ago

Let’s give her the opportunity to say her piece, then treat her with somewhat less of the knee-jerk leftism applied her husband.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  David J

She’s had that opportunity, and the silence speaks volumes as her father does his best to engineer a coup d’etat in plain sight.

David Bell
David Bell
4 years ago

In the UK Labour perade their “equality” but the Conservatives practice it by electing woman as their leader. I suspect the same thing will happen in USA. Democrtes will talk a good game, rant and rave at other but will not practice what they preach. On the other hand the Republican Party will elect the person most likely to win and if that’s a woman, then that is who will be their leader.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  David Bell

Um… I’m pretty sure the “Democrates” nominated a woman in 2016 who actually won the popular vote… but maybe I’m mistaken.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago

You mean she lost the election. We don’t have a popular vote election.

David Bell
David Bell
4 years ago

Yes they did, but she was not exactly a great candidate. Lets face it she is best remembered for calling anyone who disagreed with her “deplorable”. It’s not exactly a winning strategy to insult the electorate!!

In the US election system the popular vote is only a vanity thing. Clinton won Calafornia by more than her win in the popular vote. That is due to the way the population is disbursed, with the vast majority living in the sates that board the oceans. The system is designed to ensure that population density does not dominate the states in the middle.

Clinton was more a sop. I think the first female president will be a Republican!

David Uzzaman
David Uzzaman
4 years ago

If democracy means anything surely it means not being ruled by someone just because their Dad did the job before. If the Americans are happy with the idea of hereditary rulers why did they bother with the War of Independence as they call it or the insurrection as we should call it.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
4 years ago
Reply to  David Uzzaman

Particularly when that is your ONLY asset. Leadership is both art and science. The art part one is born with, but the science… that takes work. Serious education. Broad experience. Ivanka has none of those, just the name Trump. Not happening.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  David Uzzaman

Only a Brit could think you could be president without being elected. The president is not a king or queen. They all have to be elected. Another British quirk…..US Presidents do not rule, they govern. Again unlike kings and queens.

David Uzzaman
David Uzzaman
3 years ago

I can’t claim to understand the American political system but I have worked out that the hard bit is getting the nomination for either of your two major parties. After that it’s as much about how much the electorate hate your opponent as how much they love you. If anyone gets a clear run at the Presidency because a parent held the job I would that’s pretty undemocratic.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago
Reply to  David Uzzaman

No, you certainly can’t claim to understand the US, that was my point. No one has ever been president “just because their dad did the job before”. That would be a hereditary position, like a king. We had that little run in with you guys because we did not want a monarch.

Now you alter your claim completely from someone being president just because their dad did the job before (monarchy) as in your original post to someone getting a “run” at the presidency, which totally destroys your first claim.

You spend too much time around political junkies (as does everyone here likely) if you believe it’s about how much the electorate hates your opponent or loves you. The vast majority of people are simply going about their lives, don’t hate or love any politician, and pay about a tenth as much attention to politics as anyone here.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
4 years ago

there will be a first elected woman president, but doubtful it’s Ivanka. Besides, we have Harris patiently waiting for Joe to drift into complete mental oblivion or be shoved aside when the media suddenly discover that Hunter was his bag man.

Hugh Jarse
Hugh Jarse
4 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

And which media will that be?

William Gladstone
William Gladstone
4 years ago

It has been massively telegraphed that Kamala Harris will be the first female president.

B B
B B
4 years ago

I’m sure we can cross that bridge when we come to it, but Harris is not entitled to become President unless and until Biden resigns or dies. Biden is in pretty good health.

William Gladstone
William Gladstone
4 years ago
Reply to  B B

This article was talking about Ivanka Trump becoming the first female president. Biden looked like he had dementia throughout the campaign plus he is massively mired in the swamp he will do what is required of him and retire so the dems and the globalists can come in their panties and the poor old US electorate (and the rest of us) will be screwed again

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago
Reply to  B B

Well, maybe physical health…

Peter Ian Staker
Peter Ian Staker
4 years ago

So much for the meritocracy.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago

Anyone that knows her says she is empty; there is nothing there. Absolutely nothing.

David Bell
David Bell
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Just like Kier?

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
4 years ago
Reply to  David Bell

Remind me again who had a career as a barrister, and ended up as DPP. Clearly not very bright or capable and they promoted him based on his hairstyle?! Say what you like about Keir, but please do not be silly and pretend he has not achieved a lot in his life. This is in contrast to Johnson who has been fired from 2 jobs and has lost track of the number of children he sired!

David Bell
David Bell
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

I was responding to the statement – “empty; there is nothing there. Absolutely nothing.” Starmer was supposed to be “ferensic” with a “laser like analysis”. As can be seen from PMQ’s he is neither, only able to operate of a script with no ability to respond to events as they unfold in the chaber. He
is a barrister working in a silent court were the witness must dance to his tune. In the HoC he has to be fleet of foot, he isn’t!

His current Covid policy is to agree with Sage, while holding onto a “get out of jail free” clause in the small print incase he is wrong. He was fundementally wrong on the circuit break lockdown which failed everywere it was tried yet he can’t or won’t hold up his hands!

stephen f.
stephen f.
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

-as if you know anyone that knows her…gossip is not news, TDS man.

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Like Donald??

john freeman
john freeman
4 years ago

Listen, you friends: you are discussing serious and important matters here; but can you please learn how the apostrophe is used to indicate the plural? For instance, the Trump family are not “the Trump’s”, they are the Trumps.

B B
B B
4 years ago
Reply to  john freeman

Seconded. Precision and good grammar matter.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  john freeman

The apostrophe is NOT used to denote plurals but possession (or a missing letter or letters)

R S
R S
4 years ago

Far more likely she ends up in jail than back in the white house

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago

I am surprised that Harris wasn’t mentioned as the first female US president. Biden surely won’t last 12 months before the dementia really sets in.

peterdebarra
peterdebarra
4 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

… the Harris woman will be el presidente before Q2/21 … the reds voted for her – not for him …

William Harvey
William Harvey
4 years ago

Trump and his family aren’t going away. Neither are some of his policies. Biden will rebadge them and give then a Democrat slant but they will remain because they are effective. For example its pretty clear that US and the West, cannot maintain their power if they give their jobs away to China. Its obvious now that borders and countries really matter. Covid has shown us that at least. Maintaining the endless unwinnable wars is also seen to pointles. Afghanis are never going to be Liberals or embrace Americanisms.
IMHO…Trump ( and covid) has change the US political direction for a long time to come.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  William Harvey

I think you’re right. It will be hard for Biden to return to the failed policies of Obama. And I’m not sure that he will even want to, he isn’t Obama after all. Plus Trump remade the courts into a more constitution friendly branch of government which may stop Biden from doing an end-run around congress or the constitution.

Ess Arr
Ess Arr
4 years ago

I think the photo of Ivanka at the UN, in a too small sweater with boobs thrusting and nips jutting, leaving nothing to the imagination, will excite the Proud Boy brigade. As it did, I’m sure, the satyric bureaucrats at the UN.

stephen f.
stephen f.
4 years ago
Reply to  Ess Arr

It sounds to me as if it got to you…

David Cockayne
David Cockayne
4 years ago
Reply to  stephen f.

Fair play though; one does not see nearly enough instances of the adjective form of the companions of Bacchus in social media discourse. Well done, young palliard.

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
4 years ago
Reply to  Ess Arr

Fake boobs BTW.

Jos Haynes
Jos Haynes
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

You can vouch for this?

ard10027
ard10027
4 years ago
Reply to  Jos Haynes

Yeah, like he ever got to screw in his loupe and examine the goods.

David George
David George
4 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Nice work in that case.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
4 years ago
Reply to  Ess Arr

Sounds like it did something for you as well.

B B
B B
4 years ago

Since when did the USA have a hereditary political class ?

They fought a revolutionary war to get away from that kind of thing over two centuries ago.

Sidney Eschenbach
Sidney Eschenbach
3 years ago
Reply to  B B

It’s not the blood relationships that is the threat, it’s the abuses of power. Many examples of blood relationships through the presidencies that were not a problem.

Jeffrey Chongsathien
Jeffrey Chongsathien
4 years ago

Don Jr is actually the most likely to pick up the anti-establishment vote. Ivanka is all DemocRat.

Seb Dakin
Seb Dakin
4 years ago

Irrelevant perhaps, but that’s a hell of a photo – Ayn Rand channeling the madonna. Like an algorithm came up with a ‘Strong Female Leader’. Seriously, the more you look at it, the more you…understand.
Happy Xmas all!

Mike Lotrean
Mike Lotrean
3 years ago

Surely the corrupt behaviour of Trump in pardoning all those imprisoned crooks who worked for him should warn us against having another Trump in the White House. And Trump’s disastrous (non) handling of the pandemic is another black mark against this family. Guilt by association definitely applies here as most of the Trumps work for the Donald.

Bill Brewer
Bill Brewer
3 years ago

I started off being appalled at Donald Trump but that slowly switched to horror at how he and his family were treated by the media. Anything he said was scoffed at regardless of merit. Words that had they come from Obama or Hilary would’ve been applauded. It was Trump who had the balls to try and resolve the North Korean situation. He may also have done more for middle-east peace than his predecessors – time will tell.

America (and the world) needs Trump, they just don’t know it. The alternative could be chaos with the so called liberals ruining the country whilst being allowed to asset strip by the loony left on the basis they will be leaving it to the Marxists and Anarchists. “defund the police” in a heavily armed nation – are they lunatics?