Graeber’s Debt was an interesting and challenging book. It shook my belief in justice as an absolute. However, I was sirprised by his hostility to Greece and Rome, based ,he argued, on their slavery, although he supported Solon’s reforms ( cancellationof debt, etc). I noticed that his views on the Islamic world empire. were not affected by this dislike of slavery. He actually argued that slavery under Mjslims was not too bad at all. I checked his,source, which was an Egyptian nationalist writing in the ‘30s. I found this dishonest. There is a tendency among writers covering the Ottoman empire, as an example, to say things like, well families were happy to give up their children, or that the demand for 100 virgins a year was rather cute, something Baptists would like as well. In any case, while the couple of million white slaves taken by the cutely named Barbary pirates all died, the black slave castes of Morth Africa still exist, despite the French abolishing slavery in Algeria and Morocco. So here Graeber was being apolemicist, driven by who knows what rage against the roots of Western philosophy. I last saw his name in a comment section of the Guardian.. Answering a critical response to a talk he had given on BNC radio, Graeber remarked that after all, he was rich and faMous, whereas his critic was a nobody. Nice….

On work, Graeber reminds me of Ivan Illich – which dates me I know!

Graeber’s “Debt: The first 5,000 years” is a genuine masterpiece. Before dismissing him because of his other opinions I recommend people at least read this book – it’s more thoughtful than you may give credit.

And he’s right about how the working class are treated and dismissed as well. Sadly, the worst offenders are the Metropolitan Left of which he was clearly part.

Ah a breath of fresh air after the increasing screechiness of UnHerd’s typical oeuvre. Though I expect the Commentariat to widely diss this.

I appreciated Debt the First 5000 years and I loved Bullshit jobs, and have re-read it a few times. It is a thoroughly modern update to Parkinson’s Law, and dead on in my experience (of working for Banks, Research organizations and the US Federal Government).

I was there in Zuccotti Park just days before New York’s finest took it down in November 2011.

RIP David Graeber.

What a loss! He will be miss by about 5 people.

One of those Left wing intellectuals who railed against the West for going into Iraq and removing a murderously repressive despotic regime without a Plan B, how to replace it. Yet campaign to overturn a slew of democracies whose productivity funds most of the world’s aid organisations, feeds its starving, and treats its maladies, with not a scintilla of an iota of a plan to replace them except by harking back to a long discredited ideology which invariably results in despotic repressive regimes.

“If money and debt are just a collection of promises we make to each other, then couldn’t we just as easily make different ones?)”

Sounds good for the ones who promised to pay, not good for the ones promised to be paid.

I red the linked article and the guy is a loon who would have society back in the Dark ages in 3 generations.

““…we cannot go back to the way things were””

No, we cannot. The economic costs of locking down a year yet paying the wages and costs will have bankrupted us all. The destruction of education, and health from medical neglect of the non-covid, and loss of business, and life savings, the Inflation, the hugely over priced stock market, the inflating of all hard assets and of ‘Unfunded Mandates’ means it is like going to sleep in 1929 before the depression began, and waking up in the depression and saying -‘ we cannot go back to the way things were’ – no You Cannot – you killed those good and easy times with your insane plandemic covid response.