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					<title>How corporations can delete your existence</title>
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						<![CDATA[Gavin Haynes]]>
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							<![CDATA[<p><strong>Gavin Haynes</strong> is a journalist and former editor-at-large at <em>Vice</em>.</p>
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								<![CDATA[Losing a Twitter account for controversial statements is one thing; losing a bank account is quite another]]>
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								<![CDATA[<p>Let’s call her Laura. In September, Laura was out in Leeds City Centre, buying some bits, when her card was declined. <em>Funny</em>, she thought. She definitely wasn’t in the red. But these things happen, so she left the shop, tinting crimson, and dashed towards the nearest cashpoint.</p>
<p>But her card wouldn’t work at the cashpoint either. She tried another one. With the same result.</p>
<p>Laura opened the banking app on her phone. It said only ‘error’, then automatically closed.</p>
<p>She finally abandoned her shopping and went into the nearest branch of Santander. There, the counter assistant seemed just as mystified. After about an hour of waiting, though, Laura was called through into the manager’s office.</p>
<p>“I’m going to read a statement out for you,” the manager said. “But I’m not going to be able to answer any of your questions after that.”</p>
<p>He read out:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>“We have locked your bank account. We can’t give you any more information. We might be in touch in future with more information. But we don’t know when that might be.” </em></p>
<p>Could she have her money? No.</p>
<p>But how was she supposed to get home? After all, she lived eight miles outside of Leeds, and now she had no bus fare. Apparently, this was not the bank’s business.</p>
<p>This low-rent version of <em>The Trial</em> went on for another three weeks. Frequently, Laura would phone up Santander customer services. She’d be put on hold for ages. Then the phone would just go dead. She wrote to Santander to complain. They wrote back: they weren’t interested in her complaint and wouldn’t be taking it any further. Meanwhile, her rent, standing orders and Direct Debits stacked up, the late fees and penalties mushroomed around them, as life tumbled towards chaos.</p>
<p>Nearly a month on, she received a letter from Santander:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 40px;"><em>Under the terms and conditions… we can withdraw banking facilities at any time, and in line with company policy we don’t give further details.</em></p>
<p>The account had been closed. Without apparent irony, the balance had been appended as a cheque.</p>
<p>‘Laura’ could be any of us. But she is also Laura Towler, one of the founders of Patriotic Alternative. Towler is a sort of next-gen BNP type, a net-savvy white identitarian who campaigns against mass-migration, and occasionally winks to her Telegram followers about ‘you know who’ (they know alright: The Jews). It would seem that Towler had been expelled from Santander for her views. But in line with the bank’s conditions, this has not been made clear.</p>
<p>By a strange coincidence, in the same month, the same thing happened to Mark Collett, her Patriotic Alternative co-founder. Only, Collett doesn’t bank with Santander — he is with HSBC. Somehow, the same thing also happened, in different countries, to Europe’s leading young white identitarians: Brittany Pettibone and Martin Sellner.</p>
<p>Coincidence abounds in the modern world. Last year, on the other side of the Atlantic, various alt-ish-Right figures who banked with JP Morgan Chase woke up on the same morning to find that they no longer banked with JP Morgan Chase. They included the chair of the Proud Boys Enrique Tarrio, former InfoWars staffer Joe Biggs, Project Veritas associate Laura Loomer, and Martina Markota, a Trump-supporting performance artist.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/06/both-the-radical-left-and-right-are-left-behinds/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/06/both-the-radical-left-and-right-are-left-behinds/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/GettyImages-1154309583.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/06/both-the-radical-left-and-right-are-left-behinds/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">Suggested reading</span></a><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/06/both-the-radical-left-and-right-are-left-behinds/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>What Antifa and the alt-Right have in common</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/06/both-the-radical-left-and-right-are-left-behinds/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Mary Harrington</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>Of those four, it’s the other Laura whose case drives home the full capriciousness of corporate power in a networked age. Loomer styles herself as the “most banned woman in the world”. In addition to Chase, she is banned from PayPal, from VenMo, from The Cash App, Airbnb and Instagram, from Lyft, Uber and UberEats, from the blogging monetisation platform WordAds and the t-shirt print-to-order site TeeSpring, from Twitter and Facebook — obviously — and from any one of a half dozen other platforms for digital congress.</p>
<p>Some of these bans are strongly self-inflicted; controversy is her currency. She got booted from Uber in 2017 after ranting about being unable to find a taxi driver who wasn’t Muslim in Manhattan, in the hours after the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_New_York_City_truck_attack" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">NYC terror truck attack</a>. Twitter banned her in 2018, after she laid into Ilhan Omar, the Muslim Congresswoman, claiming, scandalously, that Omar was part of a religion in which &#8220;homosexuals are oppressed&#8221;, and ”women are abused&#8221; and &#8220;forced to wear the hijab.” Later that month, wearing a gold ‘Juden’ star (Loomer is Jewish) she handcuffed herself to Twitter HQ, to protest the decision.</p>
<p>But many of those bans are mere cascade effects. TeeSpring works with PayPal. PayPal had already declared Loomer an unperson<em>, </em>and thus they informed TeeSpring that they would have to stop supplying her. Ditto Venmo and The Cash App.</p>
<p>You don’t want to mess with the people who make the widgets that undergird the financial system. In 2018, in response to activist pressure, MasterCard began choking off various far-Right and internet Right figures. That in turn meant their often lucrative Patreon accounts were cancelled: YouTube ‘Classical Liberal’ Carl Benjamin lost $12000 a month. Now, in a post-Covid world, where we’re often being told that cash is no longer acceptable, some are also being told that electronic banking is no longer <em>for them</em>. It’s an interesting crossroads.</p>
<p>The likes of Towler might be distasteful. But if that alone is the bar for the arbitrary exercise of power by, say, the PR department of NatWest, then all kinds of people — from Cat Bin Lady down — stand to be unpersoned.</p>
<p>Right of admission is always reserved — we all know this — and you might say that these examples are just the market at work. Except that some things are so fundamental to our everyday lives that they’re not so much markets as the thing that you need in order to use a market.</p>
<p>In the dying days of Gordon Brown, <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/robertpeston/2010/03/a_legal_right_to_a_bank_accoun.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">an attempt was made</a> to guarantee every citizen’s right to a current account. It was quickly shot down by the Big Five banks (after all, it wasn’t as if they owed the government any favours). A decade on, that tide is further out than it has ever been.</p>
<p>In the banking system’s capacity to disable the individual without pro-actively doing them harm, there’s an echo of the elegance of the Chinese government’s <a href="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/china-social-credit-system-explained" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">social credit</a>. &#8220;There was no file, no police warrant, no official advance notification. They just cut me off from the things I was once entitled to. What’s really scary is there&#8217;s nothing you can do about it,” was how Liu Hu put it — a Chinese journalist, who ran afoul of social credit in 2019. But perhaps <em>Black Mirror</em>’s ‘Nosedive’ <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R32qWdOWrTo&amp;ab_channel=Netflix" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">episode</a> would be a more apt comparison. In our hemisphere, that kind of deletion is done more cheerily, coated in the veneer of freedom of choice and association, by PR and HR, not by the grey monolith of The Party’s star council.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/09/why-woke-is-the-ruling-ideology/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/09/why-woke-is-the-ruling-ideology/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/skynews-keir-starmer-angela-rayner_5009693.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/09/why-woke-is-the-ruling-ideology/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">Suggested reading</span></a><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/09/why-woke-is-the-ruling-ideology/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>How we bend the knee to our HR overlords</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/09/why-woke-is-the-ruling-ideology/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Aris Roussinos </a></p></div></a></div>
<p>Increasingly, we allow our corporations to police the soft boundaries of acceptable speech and thought, from Sainsbury’s rejection of ‘<a href="https://www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/sainsburys-shuts-down-ignorant-responses-4572998" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">racist’</a> shoppers to the <a href="https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/10/what-did-yorkshire-tea-pg-tips-say-twitter-racism-12830974/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Yorkshire Tea wars </a>to Tampax’s <a href="https://twitter.com/Tampax/status/1305952342504767491" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">latest bloodbath</a>.</p>
<p>Ironically enough, the license that companies now take as part of their remit is a perfect mirror image of the <a href="https://reason.com/2018/09/16/proposition-bakers-should-not/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Cake Problem</a>: the oft-rehashed libertarian thought experiment, over whether a fundamentalist Christian cake-maker should be forced to bake a cake for a gay wedding. When US Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson was posed the question in 2016, he said that they should — and added that he would equally require a Jewish baker to make <a href="https://reason.com/2018/09/16/proposition-bakers-should-not/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">a Nazi wedding cake</a>. The underlying principle is one of neutrality. Where two belief systems clash, if they remain polite and cooperative, shouldn’t the public still retain an underlying right of service?</p>
<p>Evidently not.</p>
<p>Another great thought experiment dawned in August of last year, when Laura Loomer stunned the Republican establishment by winning the GOP primary for Florida’s 21st Congressional District. The 21st is West Palm Beach, where Mar-a-Lago lives. Trump himself has already cast his vote for her.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/03/the-cringe-of-conservative-celebrity-worship/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/03/the-cringe-of-conservative-celebrity-worship/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/GettyImages-1204062151.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/03/the-cringe-of-conservative-celebrity-worship/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">Suggested reading</span></a><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/03/the-cringe-of-conservative-celebrity-worship/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>The cringe of Right-wing celebrity-worship</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://unherd.com/2020/03/the-cringe-of-conservative-celebrity-worship/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Daniel Kalder</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>Clearly, Loomer’s campaign has been adversely affected by her various bans. At the time of her deletion, Loomer’s tweets were getting 150 million impressions a month. As she puts it: “They just assume that people can afford TV, and that they’re not going to get all their information through social media.”  She might have wingnut tendencies, but Loomer is also half of the choice for voters in the 21st District.</p>
<p>This year, “in the interests of transparency and fairness”, Twitter has given every single candidate standing in the US election a blue-check verified account. So, when she won her primary, she applied to have her accounts reinstated.</p>
<p>No dice. She can’t get on Big Social, the broadcast networks are ignoring her, and her opponent, Lois Frankel, won’t even say her name, let alone debate her.</p>
<p>Should she win — still a long shot — Loomer has sworn to spend her time on Capitol Hill breaking up the tech giants’ monopoly. So couldn’t it be said that they’re acting to titrate their own legislative environment?</p>
<p>F.A. Hayek, and his prophet on earth Margaret Thatcher, saw the market as the best bulwark against tyrannical state power — that by pulling lots of little levers every day with our cash, we’d effectively be voting, in a constant dialogue of mini-democracy. It was only towards the end of their regime that the Thatcherites began to realise that some things — from trains down — remain public utilities in spirit, no matter who runs them.</p>
<p>As the Hunter Biden story still freezes the <a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-54649262" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><em>New York Post</em>’s Twitter feed</a>, it seems the power of the corporate lever-pullers to mould the outer edges of democracy is as strong as it has ever been. We can vote with our wallets, sure. But what if the scope extends way beyond a single product line, into an entire <em>kind</em> of product, or the social architecture that makes products possible? What if the lever-pullers <em>are</em> our wallets?</p>
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								<![CDATA[<p>Outside the world of the internet, there are millions of people who have never heard of Patreon and won&#8217;t know what you are talking about if you mention the &#8216;Patreon Purge&#8217;. Within the world of the internet, it&#8217;s a different matter. The significance of Patreon and its influence is recognised and bitterly fought over. Though most of the old media will allow such a story to float by, the internet is right on this one.</p>
<p>Patreon, for those who haven&#8217;t heard of it, is an online membership platform where people can seek crowdfunding from fans. There are ‘creators’ who use the platform to get people to support them, and there are &#8216;supporters&#8217; who donate to those whose work they favour. To an extent, Patreon, and companies like it, have filled the space that the internet destroyed as it popularised the idea that you can get almost anything you like for free.</p>
<p>So companies like YouTube, for example, allow people to infringe copyright by ripping videos from actual ‘creators’ (musicians, writers, public speakers and others). Nearly all the benefit goes to the platform; a tiny amount (through advertising) in very specific and approved cases potentially goes to the person who has posted it, and zero goes to the person who has actually created the content. This is the way that the internet has been for many years now, and it has come to be accepted as though it was part of nature, rather than the greatest intellectual property heist in history.</p>
<p>Enter Patreon, which has become popular because it fulfils the function of providing salaries to people the internet has already taken salaries away from. Journalists, who would once have been paid for their work when they delivered it, can instead be supported through the site. Bands and other acts who have lost the money they would have made in record or CD sales to free online streaming services can similarly make up some of that shortfall on Patreon.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/11/the-growing-power-of-the-youtube-right/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/11/the-growing-power-of-the-youtube-right/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/GettyImages-1045961656.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/11/the-growing-power-of-the-youtube-right/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">Suggested reading</span></a><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/11/the-growing-power-of-the-youtube-right/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>The growing power of the YouTube Right</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/11/the-growing-power-of-the-youtube-right/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Gavin Haynes</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>It also secures funding for figures who might have had trouble breaking through in the old media landscape. It is in the nature of such things that anybody who has a large (or potentially large) following, but has been unable to find a place in the mainstream, is likely to be edgy – unlikely to crop up in the broadsheets or be invited on terrestrial television discussion shows.</p>
<p>But it is precisely these ‘edgy’ figures who have given Patreon such a headache. Take the Canadian blogger and activist <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Lauren Southern</a>. Her provocative stunts (she has since branched out into documentary making) and statements all coming from a vantage point that might be described as ‘<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-lite">alt-light</a>’, were never going to sit comfortably with the deciders in Silicon Valley.</p>
<p>Sure enough, eventually she did something which handed Patreon a reason to ban her from their platform. <a href="https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/identitarians-get-a-boat" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Southern became involved with a group called &#8220;Defend Europe&#8221;</a> which was sailing the Mediterranean with the purpose of encouraging shiploads of migrant vessels to go back to the north African shoreline whence they came.</p>
<p>There was <a href="https://www.dailywire.com/news/18893/patreon-kills-lauren-southerns-account-robert-kraychik" target="_blank" rel="noopener">some dispute between Southern and Patreon</a> over the ban. They claimed they blacklisted her because she was using the funding to embark on a mission which was &#8220;likely to cause loss of life&#8221;; she said she was only reporting on the group&#8217;s activism and hadn&#8217;t used any of the Patreon funds in order to do so and so was not in violation of their terms of service.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/12/free-minds-sam-harris-atheist-rock-star-2/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/12/free-minds-sam-harris-atheist-rock-star-2/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/9762ce97cf4f10777681dd357532a00300f7d4f2_2880x1620-1.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/12/free-minds-sam-harris-atheist-rock-star-2/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">Suggested reading</span></a><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/12/free-minds-sam-harris-atheist-rock-star-2/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>Sam Harris - An atheist rock star</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/12/free-minds-sam-harris-atheist-rock-star-2/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Douglas Murray</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>But whatever the truth of the matter, you do not have to agree with Southern’s actions or her interpretation of events to recognise that Patreon’s move to bar her from their platform was a highly political one. No action had been taken by the website against groups openly supportive of illegal immigration, so taking a stance against someone clearly opposed to it opened them up to charges of clear bias.</p>
<p>The ban proved to be an early warning sign. At the time, back in July 2017, a number of prominent Patreon users, including Sam Harris, asked the question: if Southern wasn&#8217;t satisfying their ethical standards, then who might next fall victim to the &#8216;purge&#8217;? In response, Patreon’s founder and CEO Jack Conte gave personal assurances that there were specific reasons why Southern was a Patreon persona non grata and insisted that others should have no such fears.</p>
<p>But then, just before Christmas last year, Patreon closed the account of the controversial commentator, Carl Benjamin, also known online as <a href="https://www.youtube.com/user/SargonofAkkad100">Sargon of Akkad</a>, who has almost 900,000 YouTube followers and who was reportedly earning around $12,000 a month from donations. His content roves over a lot of terrain, from political correctness to how to date women and more. It is not to everyone’s taste, but it is demonstrably to a lot of people’s taste.</p>
<p>In justifying their decision to ban him, Patreon claimed he had been found guilty of using &#8220;racial and homophobic slurs as insults in a conversation shared online&#8221;. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ThPdCicEsg&amp;t=1301s" target="_blank" rel="noopener">In his rebuttal</a>, Benjamin makes the claim that the conversation in question – the contents of which he disputes – was not featured on Patreon and did not have any link to its platform. Nevertheless, the ban remains in place.</p>
<p><a href="https://youtu.be/ofpbDgCj9rw" target="_blank" rel="noopener">In an interview with Dave Rubin</a>, in 2017, Jack Conte had sworn that decisions to expel people from his platform were taken only on the basis of behaviour and not on the basis of political ideology.</p>
<p><iframe title="Patreon CEO On Lauren Southern, IGD, &amp; Free Speech | Jack Conte | TECH | Rubin Report" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ofpbDgCj9rw?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>Yet the decision to expel Benjamin from the platform without any appeal looked like a specifically ideological move. It also followed hard on the heels of the banning of other controversial Right-wing figures, including <a href="https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/qvqeev/crowdfunding-site-patreon-is-purging-far-right-figures" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Milo Yiannopoulos</a> and James Allsup earlier in 2018.</p>
<p>It was at this point that a movement away from the platform began with the <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-harris-deletes-patreon-account-after-platform-boots-conservatives-2018-12?r=US&amp;IR=T" target="_blank" rel="noopener">announcement, by Sam Harris</a>, that he was leaving the site. “Although I don’t share the politics of the banned members,&#8221; he wrote, &#8220;I consider it no longer tenable to expose any part of my podcast funding to the whims of Patreon’s ‘Trust and Safety’ committee.”</p>
<p>https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/1074504882210562048</p>
<p>Then, at the beginning of this year, Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson (who has been one of the most successful and high-profile users of Patreon) jointly announced their withdrawal from the platform.</p>
<p><iframe loading="lazy" title="We Are Leaving Patreon: Dave Rubin &amp; Jordan Peterson Announcement | DIRECT MESSAGE | Rubin Report" width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Zp9ZJiFFBnU?feature=oembed" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" referrerpolicy="strict-origin-when-cross-origin" allowfullscreen></iframe></p>
<p>In none of these cases has the choice been made easily or glibly. It takes time to grow support on a crowd-funding platform, and switching to another platform will doubtless mean that some of those supporters will be lost along the way.</p>
<p>It remains to be seen whether Patreon will do anything to stem the flow and whether other platforms will be able to match its success. But in the meantime there are a number of important points to be made about its online experiment.</p>
<p>Patreon should have seen this coming. It should have anticipated – just as Facebook should have – that it was going to become an arbiter of what is or is not acceptable speech. As Conte’s interview with Rubin showed, these companies are now attempting to solve dilemmas which, with a little foresight, could have perfectly easily been avoided. If they had stuck to only banning people if their activities were illegal, or if the ‘Trust and safety’ committee’s guidelines had been explicit from the outset rather than a wildly evolving work in progress, then users could have known what they were signing up to and the company would have been within its rights to expel those who broke the rules.</p>
<div class="ref-ar"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/05/whats-point-intellectual-dark-web/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/05/whats-point-intellectual-dark-web/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><img decoding="async" src="https://unherd.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/PetersonMurraySommers.jpg?w=300" /></a><div class="content"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/05/whats-point-intellectual-dark-web/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span class="meta">Suggested reading</span></a><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/05/whats-point-intellectual-dark-web/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><h5>What&#039;s the point of the  Intellectual Dark Web?</h5></a><p class="author"><a href="https://unherd.com/2018/05/whats-point-intellectual-dark-web/?edition=us&#038;ref=refinnar" class="text-decoration-none border-0"><span>By</span> Douglas Murray</a></p></div></a></div>
<p>The second point is that we are seeing <a href="https://www.conservapedia.com/O’Sullivan’s_First_Law" target="_blank" rel="noopener">John O&#8217; Sullivan</a>&#8216;s law in action in the tech world. That law (which states that all institutions that are not explicitly Right-wing will drift to the Left over time) would seem to be playing out at some of the most important companies in Silicon Valley. And given that Twitter, Patreon and various other online companies started from a fairly Left-wing position, it&#8217;s unlikely their direction will be reversed.</p>
<p>Doubtless the political slant has been reinforced by the Hoovering up of all those political activists out of office since the Democrats lost the White House. These people need to find something to do to justify their salaries and it seems their idea of ‘doing’ is shifting the rules regarding acceptable speech. In one particular political direction.</p>
<p>This might all seem a bit inside baseball. But, in fact, it is one of the most important speech wars of our time. A journalist or artist who successfully uses a platform like Patreon will swiftly exceed the salaries available in the struggling older media. In time, this could well challenge the grip as well as the attractiveness of what was regarded as the consensus on a whole range of issues. And that&#8217;s why the flight from the site matters. Patreon provided a base for those who wanted to challenge a whole set of dogmas. Let&#8217;s hope they can be challenged from elsewhere.</p>
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