September 28, 2022 - 4:15pm
The events over the past few weeks in Leicester and, more recently, Smethwick have drawn attention to an under-discussed ideology: Hindutva. This is a system of beliefs that encompasses three elements: 1) Hindu rashtra (nation), 2) Hindu jati (race) and 3) Hindu sanskriti (civilisation), which was crafted in the early 1900s. In essence, it is designed as a way of life for Hindus, devout and non-devout, as well as atheist Hindus.
But it has also been perceived as a threat due to its links to ‘Hindu militantism’ and proximity to fascism with the forming of the paramilitary group the RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh). This, of course, then raises concerns in regards to the current ruling party, the BJP (Bharatiya Janata Party), which are directly inspired by the RSS. But while it is clear that the Hindutva ideology plays a role in the persecution of religious minorities in India, does that apply to Britain too?
Certain commentators have argued that Hindutva is now a global threat that has spread to Britain. But because Muslims are the victims, they argue, it is overlooked. Indeed, one piece in the Middle East Eye questioned whether Muslims were ever allowed to be victims in UK media. The writer cited chants of ‘death to Pakistan’ as evidence of the media omitting the identity of the perpetrators. While he doesn’t explicitly say that those making the chants were inspired by the Hindutva ideology, he suggests that the ensuing 200-strong march was.
Even though chants at sports grounds can be quite menacing (earlier this month, Irish football fans were filmed singing ‘Lizzie’s in a box’ after the Queen died), the reporting on the conflict has, if anything, been geared against Hindus. Take the Guardian journalists, Aina J Khan and Mark Brown, who covered the story in some detail. Khan was accompanied by a Muslim radical known as Majid Freeman, who was once part of a number of organisations connected with jihadists. Freeman is also reported to have encouraged Europeans to commit jihad in Syria, as well as posting tributes to al-Qaeda terrorist Anwar Al-Awlkaki. That he was chosen to be interviewed and accompanied is deeply concerning.
What’s more, the arrival of Islamist agitators from outside of Leicester and Smethwick only made the conflict worse. Mohammed Hijab, an Islamist YouTuber, openly made anti-Hindu statements but this doesn’t feature in any coverage from the Guardian. The term Islamist is used once in the 11 articles published by the newspaper, yet the term Hindutva is mentioned over 13 times. In fact, a whole article looks at the Hindutva ideology in significant detail, but there was nothing on Islamism or the role Islamists seemed to play in the conflict. This omission gives life to the Hindutva bogeyman, leaving observers with the impression that this ideology from India is posing a significant threat to the UK, despite no extremists or terrorists belonging to it.
While there is a debate to be had as to the apparent import and rise of the Hindutva ideology in Britain, as well as the impact it is having on social cohesion in multicultural cities such as Leicester and Birmingham, presenting it without any balance is dishonest. Hopefully, the independent review into the conflict will not ignore this.
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SubscribeWhy would one expect a balanced piece of reportage from the Guardian? Once you see the world from the perspective that England is awash with Islamaphobia of course you and your favoured intersectional group will interpret things from this familiar angle.
For ‘Hindutva’ we could substitute ‘Incel’ or just ‘Far Right’, which encompasses anything and everything that the Guardian dislikes this week.
Public funds get spent on combatting the (concocted) “growing threat” of Incel/Hindutva/Far Right extremism and terrorism. Always coming, never arrived.
It is well known that the Guardian is a useful idiot for Islamists. It has willingly bought into the Islamist narrative that muslims are always victims. The fact still remains: Islamic terrorism is a global problem. No amount of white washing by The Guardian will change that fact.
hear hear!
How delightful… 2 tribes of rival God-botherers using our country as a boxing ring to bicker over whose Magic Sky Fairy is real.
Clear up after yourselves, and don’t make the mistake of imagining that many of us give a toss, will you?
The two are not two tribes of rival God-botherers using your country. Hindus do not claim exclusivity nor do they ever profess punishments for those who world view is different from them. But Christians and Islamist actively do. It is the christians and Islam both of who condemn, interfere and dehumanize the rest not following their religion. By the way even religion is not a cognizable word in India languages. That is also imposition on us because you want to believe universality of notion of religion. It is not, Yo just killed the rest except for Hindus.
You messed in that country, destroyed it and while leaving divided, it so that they stay engaged for eternity and you are also paying the price. You are embroiled in the mess. Any semblance of your civilization is based on the loot and thievery from these colonies. So you will pay. In particular your half brother Islamist will take good care of you!
The problem with your answer, which has some merit regarding history, is that it was Hindus who then moved from India to the UK, from independence achieved from an Imperialist power, right into the belly of the beast. Why? They escaped from something they didn’t want (what was that?) and then hold Christian’s responsible for their discontent in the UK.
Is this not a little disingenuous? You accept to an extent that imperialist countries plundered the riches of these countries (like India) exploited them, and enriched themselves on that basis, then question why someone would come to these now richer countries in pursuit of the income that’s not available in their home countries?
Disingenuous or not you’ve missed my point. A lot of us move around in pursuit of a better income: country to country, city to city, job to job. What I questioned is, having moved for a better life, why they would hold Christians responsible for their discontent. Unless they felt they were owed something.
Had you destroyed just by looting, we would have rebuilt ourselves. You destroyed us by pitting our own against our own (basis of christianity), falsifying history to make us hate ourselves. Destroyed further by forcing muslims into our land after partitioning it. Stole £45 trillion on which your wealth is built. Stole technology, knowledge. Hindus want to be good to you despite all that you did, but you are still bent on shaming us. Take back your christian missionaries, missionary funding, academic sponsorship of fake history. We will rebuild ourselves and not set foot anywhere outside our country. But let me tell you this – white europeans are going to begging others to take them in as refugees. If you still cannot see it, joke is on you. Africans wont be kind to you. Neither will Russia be. We for one, who see divine consciousness as the inherent nature of all of existence will welcome you again with open arms. That is the mark of civlisation. You think the muslims wiped out hindus in Lebanon, Syria and Armenia?
Winning friends with that rhetoric aren’t you?
“We will rebuild ourselves …”
As a Muslim or Hindu nation?
You couldn’t build to start with, it needed riches, knowledge and technology from the Colonized world. Now you are on your way down. Watch where you will go, I feel sorry for you. In 30 years time you will be finished from world dominating stage.
So how exactly did Britain “destroy India” ? Let’s have some facts to back this claim up please.
If the British influence was quite that bad, why have the English language, railways and some of the government structures persisted ?
And was India a unified, viable state before Britain entered the scene ? I’ll admit my historical knowledge isn’t complete here, but wasn’t there a collection of kingdoms with a Mughal Empire ruling some parts and no unified state ? Was that any less divided than now ?
Take your prejudice, bitterness and hatred somewhere else. It’s the same sort of mindset that’s behind the problems in Leicester.
Isn’t this a little like arguing that Hitler was beneficial to Germany as the autobahns he built form the backbone of transport, and the companies he started/supported are world leading today? Can everything that happened really be forgotten by some hand-waving that it wasn’t all that bad?
You make a false argument. It isn’t an either / or thing. There was good and bad – and elements of both continue to the present. Did / does it cancel out? Who knows/ How can we ever know?
To put it more bluntly, Does it matter? Here we are. That’s an easy comment for people to sneer or erupt furiously at. But actually, it’s the only bit of fact and common sense that ever materialises from this particular argument.
We’re here. This is what we’ve got. This is where we live. The people kicking the shit out of each other (here) are Hindus and Muslims. Not Christians or secular English people. I’d like them to stop – or go and live and fight their fight, somewhere else..
You’ll find I’m making the same point as you that the goods don’t cancel the bads, and aren’t an evidence that it was actually good.
As you say, we are where we are, and there’s plenty of blame to go around, so what may be needed is for everyone to work on solutions.
That’s not what I said. My point was not really whether the British did anything good in India, but that the Indians had not seen fit to undo all the supposed damage the British had caused.
Still, you got to Godwin’s Law first. So that ends the discussion here.
You’re questioning why India kept the railways and government structures the British built? (English language isn’t exclusively a British thing any longer.) Isn’t this a little like arguing that if the Germans kept…
Sigh.
Indian share of the world economy was 40% to38% in about 1 AD. Islam brought it down to 16% by 1830or so. And buy the ned of 1947 it was destroyed and brought down to 6%. It destroyed our exports, It destroyed our school system. Even in 1800, after Islam had destroyed our Universities, we had one school per village with average education of 10-12 years. England had just Sunday schools then for common people. And subjects taught were Grammar, Mathematics, including calculus taht discovered 400 before Newton and Jesuits brought it from India. We laugh medicine, Surgery, Metallurgy, beside Philosophy etc to Children. You had just gotten Hindu Numeral a few centuries prior through Muslims.
It was not divided, divisions were sown in order to convert. Systematically Institutions were destroyed enemies based on color were created between North and South, very similar to what was done in Rwanda.
The poverty artifically created andall food production was sent out for war effort. More than 4o Million people dies in Famines. And your Churchil’s response was why hasn’t Gandhi not died.
You are saying History is to clear, forget clear, it has been completely suppressed. British have no idea of the atrocities and divisions and conflicts their colonial period created.
And by the way Train system was created to loot raw material for Brittain, when locals were punished for producing and using this raw material. Train system was paid by Indians, paid for Britain. How many Million Indians were made to fight in your wars? Any idea?
That’s quite funny actually, as first you say this…
“Hindus do not claim exclusivity nor do they ever profess punishments for those who world view is different from them.”
…and then you say this…
“You messed in that country, destroyed it and while leaving divided… …So you will pay. In particular your half brother Islamist will take good care”
See what you did there?
You may well be correct in stating that both Christians and Muslims claim exclusivity, but that’s not the point, it’s Muslims and Hindus who are beating the sh*t out of each other; as far as I can see there are no Christians involved. Even this is not the point It’s people of Indian and Pakistani origins who are fighting, and not just over a cricket match, more likely Kashmir, again.
Not surprising that you would lie. If Hindus were involved in Killing, why is there not a single Hindu been arrested in England? Is it because they belong to Hinduttva and do not arrest Hindus. Have strength to call spade a spade.
Indian Hindus are a massive plus and benefit to Britain, and most are far more intelligent, resourceful and in many cases rich than you and I
90% of the unicorn startups in The USA founded by immigrants are that of Indians. But for the ignorant british, Indians are a problem.
Jolly good. I’m delighted to hear it. If you know any, would you ask them to ask their mates, and the other lot, to stop fighting in the streets please?
I need the streets to get around in my car. Streets are for my cars, boxing rings are for fighting. That’s the general way of it, I believe.
This resourcefulness is not a hand out. Indians work hard and they are bright.
Diversity is (((our))) strength
How is it our strength?
I believe Mr Walsh was being sarcastic.
Oh. Thanks. Sometimes I just don’t get it.
In fact diversity has been the downfall of many civilizations/empires
Diversity was probably the biggest strength of the Ottoman Empire. It catapulted a small number of nomadic tribes that settled in Anatolia to rule an empire that lasted for several centuries, and covered an area as big as the EU today.
Settle petal
Excuse my ignorance but what do triple parentheses signify?
Where does this hate arise. Why not Check Bible and Quran. For both Hindus are idolators, infidels and Kaafir. There God/book it self condemns the idolators and has reserved choicest hell as punishment for them. So God and Allah endorses and recommends that they should be hated and condemned. In Islam it goes few steps further asking its followers to behead the idolators and disbeliever on special occasions, In addition it recommends humiliating them. And on top of that both have record of destroying unbelievers, and persecuting them, it then teaches them to play victim and blame the Victim. iT IS MIGHTY convenient for both the christians and Islamist to join together and try to finish Hindus off, after all it os the last bastion of pre-CHRISTIANITY and Pre-Islamic philosophy close to nature. And the only pone that has not killed others. So it is soft target. No wonder Guardian i spaying the role of Guarding Semitic traditions.
Christians follow the New Testament. There is no mention in the New Testament of hating, let alone killing unbelievers of any kind. One should just be merciful and indulgent for the ones who are ignorant and don’t know better … that’s all the “punishment” for those who don’t believe. That’s in the text of the New Testament. In practice you are quite right though.
Now, Hindus are really an English concern I guess, not so much around of them on the continent, and surely not making any ripple on the surface of the religion pond either.
As for the teaming up of the Christians and Muslim against the Hindus, I think you are confusing the Christians with the western and white islamo-marxists who, certainly on the continent, are basically controlling the media and who are bending over backwards to find excuses to every single bit of trouble where Muslims are involved so they can make them the victims of all the injustice in the universe.
I am well aware that Christians follow New Testament, but it is altruistic to idolators etc.,, as is evident by the missionaries in India. And check for example Joshua: 20:40 Project. And what is happening in India. Also if interested read Rajiv Maljotra Breaking India, Snakes in Ganga and Kalavai Venkat.
Here are some of the New Testament pronouncements of Idolators. It is true that lot has improved from explicit violence against idolators and its implementations. But the fact remains that, these utterances invoke hate that you may not always act on
Revelation 21:8 ESV / 12 helpful votes But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
Leviticus 26:1 ESV / 10 helpful votes “You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God.
Deuteronomy 30:17-18 ESV / 7 helpful votes But if your heart turns away, and you will not hear, but are drawn away to worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today, that you shall surely perish. You shall not live long in the land that you are going over the Jordan to enter and possess.
Exodus 22:20 ESV / 7 helpful votes “Whoever sacrifices to any god, other than the Lord alone, shall be devoted to destruction.
1 Timothy 1:9-10 ESV / 6 helpful votes Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 ESV / 6 helpful votes Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
John 15:15 ESV / 5 helpful votes No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.
Genesis 9:1-29 ESV / 4 helpful votes And God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. The fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth and upon every bird of the heavens, upon everything that creeps on the ground and all the fish of the sea. Into your hand they are delivered. Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything. But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood. And for your lifeblood I will require a reckoning: from every beast I will require it and from man. From his fellow man I will require a reckoning for the life of man. …
Genesis 3:15 ESV / 4 helpful votes I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring; he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
1 Peter 2:18 ESV / 3 helpful votes Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust.
1 Peter 2:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes You yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Romans 1:26-27 ESV / 3 helpful votes For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Romans 1:1-32 ESV / 3 helpful votes Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, …
Matthew 19:9 ESV / 3 helpful votes And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
Matthew 19:1-30 ESV / 3 helpful votes Now when Jesus had finished these sayings, he went away from Galilee and entered the region of Judea beyond the Jordan. And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one’s wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? …
Matthew 7:15-20 ESV / 3 helpful votes “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. …
Matthew 5:10-12 ESV / 3 helpful votes “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Proverbs 29:25 ESV / 3 helpful votes The fear of man lays a snare, but whoever trusts in the Lord is safe.
Deuteronomy 17:2-7 ESV / 3 helpful votes “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. On the evidence of two witnesses or of three witnesses the one who is to die shall be put to death; a person shall not be put to death on the evidence of one witness. …
Genesis 1:28 ESV / 3 helpful votes And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”
Revelation 20:10 ESV / 2 helpful votes And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Revelation 17:1-18 ESV / 2 helpful votes Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who is seated on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth have committed sexual immorality, and with the wine of whose sexual immorality the dwellers on earth have become drunk.” And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth’s abominations.” …
Revelation 13:1-18 ESV / 2 helpful votes And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear’s, and its mouth was like a lion’s mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast. And they worshiped the dragon, for he had given his authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can fight against it?” And the beast was given a mouth uttering haughty and blasphemous words, and it was allowed to exercise authority for forty-two months. …
Revelation 11:1-19 ESV / 2 helpful votes Then I was given a measuring rod like a staff, and I was told, “Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and those who worship there, but do not measure the court outside the temple; leave that out, for it is given over to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for forty-two months. And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if anyone would harm them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their foes. If anyone would harm them, this is how he is doomed to be killed. …
1 John 5:21 ESV / 2 helpful votes Little children, keep yourselves from idols.
Hebrews 11:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.
Colossians 3:6 ESV / 2 helpful votes On account of these the wrath of God is coming.
Ephesians 6:5 ESV / 2 helpful votes Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,
Ephesians 5:5 ESV / 2 helpful votes For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
1 Corinthians 10:14 ESV / 2 helpful votes Therefore, my beloved, flee from idolatry.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV / 2 helpful votes Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
John 18:36 ESV / 2 helpful votes Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.”
Luke 19:1-48 ESV / 2 helpful votes He entered Jericho and was passing through. And there was a man named Zacchaeus. He was a chief tax collector and was rich. And he was seeking to see who Jesus was, but on account of the crowd he could not, because he was small of stature. So he ran on ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him, for he was about to pass that way. And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, hurry and come down, for I must stay at your house today.” …
Luke 12:33 ESV / 2 helpful votes Sell your possessions, and give to the needy. Provide yourselves with moneybags that do not grow old, with a treasure in the heavens that does not fail, where no thief approaches and no moth destroys.
Luke 12:27-28 ESV / 2 helpful votes Consider the lilies, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if God so clothes the grass, which is alive in the field today, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith!
Matthew 15:1-39 ESV / 2 helpful votes Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat.” He answered them, “And why do you break the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God commanded, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If anyone tells his father or his mother, “What you would have gained from me is given to God,” …
Matthew 11:29 ESV / 2 helpful votes Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Matthew 10:15 ESV / 2 helpful votes Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town.
Genesis 19:1-38 ESV / 2 helpful votes The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth and said, “My lords, please turn aside to your servant’s house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way.” They said, “No; we will spend the night in the town square.” But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate. But before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both young and old, all the people to the last man, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us, that we may know them.” …
Please don’t take this root cause victim mentality and drag christians into this conflict. Some, I stress, some hindu groups, have behaved badly towards dalit and tribal people converting out of hinduism and taken to attacking christians in India. People behave badly in all religions and hindus are not exempt from that.
The Al Guardian and the left in general, hitched itself to an anti-west holy war a long time ago. This is a wholly political decision, dastardly though it may be. Its animus to jews/Israel ir arguably greater than its animus towards hindus/India. If a left wing party came to power in India, the Guardian may ease up on India but it will never ease up on Israel.
It is true that Christianity has moved out of pure Physical violence that it inflicted on Native people. But it hs not changed the attitude, it uses sophistication of and still attacks Hindus (too) as is visible from every thing Western academia publishes on Hinduism. It also appears on the ground and News Papers. I agree that left has problem towards Christianity too, because they want to force unscientific equality, ignoring evoluytionary laws pointing to diversity. But taht does not spare Christian organized Church, that was visible even when pope visited India and called Hinduism darkness. and by the way half worlds civilizations did not vanish on its own.
You have no data on Dalits or lower casts as creation of Colonial India.either academia is dishonest (most likely) or they have no clue on Varna system, that was not hereditary, except during distress. So invoking Dalit Boggy is just taht, white mans ignorance and dishonesty in mapping Hinduism in to christian space.
Of all the place in the world (including Christian Europe) it was only India where Jews who came, thrived and were never persecuted or restricted. This you can verify in Israel itself, who has acknowledged it. Why would we allow such equal treatment of Jews and Zorastrians in India if we had cast system. And in particular if you go through the history of Indi economy it blasts the whole notion of persecution of lower casts in India, created by Missionaries.
Don’t depend too much on Missionary and white mans narrative, but try understanding it from Native perspective. That too only if you are an honest interlocutor.
Jesus .. what can I possibly say?
Please don’t say, just see what Missionaries have and are doing in India. Catholic ST Fracis Xavier who came to india as a inquisitor, ripped breasts of women and burnt Hindus on stake, along with breaking temples converting these to Churches and converting the rest through duress (a Mild word). I am certain you are being honest, but Unfortunately you people have no idea what Christians did and continue to do in India.
India was reduced during Islamic and Christian colonization, from 40%-38%, share of GDP to 6% of world GDP happened during this period. (Check Angus Madison Economic History of the world). Even after having destroyed Indian Universities by Islam, some as old as 1000 BC, still had schools that gave instructions for 12 years. And all that destroyed by British Colonization through Taxes.
Nothing, he’s too far gone down the rabbit hole.
One could not go down if the hole was not there.
All religions are bad, some marginally more than others. Chris Hitchens, Dawkins, Sam Harris, love you guys. Such intellects.
Your opinion, not mine.
Even if this is true (your view), that doesn’t mean that all religious believers are bad, nor that all atheists are good (as you seem to imply). Too simplistic.
I will respond to others. First of all Hinduism (name given by colonist and Muslims) to us, is not a religion in any sense of the word. This is usual Western imposition on the categories of the other, unless they are dead.
Now please tell me what is bad in Hinduism, besides what missionaries present it as?
I hear Sam Harris and Dawkinhs, but their understanding go Dharma and Moksha Palate, is as deep as that of an infant.
Hinduism (name given by colonist and Muslims) to us, is not a religion in any sense of the word.”
What do you mean by that?
Religion is the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
If you agree with it, then I can start. If not then give me your definition, and we can start from there.
Hinduism does not have not have any one or Many controlling gods, that is misunderstanding of Christians, since they are obsessed with the notion of God. So they try to see God or Gods in all societies, in order to universalize the notion of religion.
First of all Hindu word is persian word of the rover Sindhu, then middle easter people igave this name to people living in this region, and colonialist identified the visual practices with these Hindu people and called it Hinduism. What they saw, they mapped on their own categories and world view and called it religion We have no such concept and time to reject this imposition.
We have four components (1) Dharma, (2) Artha, (3) Kama, (4) Moxhsha in our human activity.
Of these Dharma is associated laws of Nature in all different contexts (Rita Satyam Dharmam), Rest of the three are different human activities taht have to the under the supervision of Dharma, no violations of Dharma. The (4) and the last one is about the Nature of reality, cosmology and nature of living beings and how to see reality in its highest state. This highest state is one of Conscious as it is in its pristine state and has to be experienced, if interested. That is not compulsion either. The world view and Hindu cosmology is very important here, because practices are deeply connected with that.
Neither Dharma, nor Artha nor Karma nor Moksha needs concept of God, and is irrelevant. There is concept of Deva, but any one who gives is Deva, Thus Sun gives, light warmth and tends for our health and Agriculture so it gives hence is Deva. It is not God you are obsessed with.
It may be too difficult for you to grasp, but that is not my problem
With those poisonous ideas I hope you don’t live in or visit the U.K
I don’t live in or Visit England. But with your murderous and hate for Hindus, please keep away from India, and keep rest of your scum too away from it.
The loot and mess you have spread for the last 300 years is disastrous. And rest assured your Sun has set.
The only surprise in this article is the fact that that author expects the Guardian to provide a balanced report.
The Guardian’s hatred for Britain ensures it supports anything that even remotely damages the country and the Conservative Government.
Cosmopolitanism is our strength. Without it, diversity is a tinderbox.
The government would like to think the answer lies in embracing core British values, the only problem with that is no-one wants to embrace Britishness as that in itself is associated with being white and bigoted.
I don’t know where you come from but in the UK (and many other countries) I have come across bigots in all colours, creeds and political persuasions. If the perception of Britishness is of white bigots then that may be because pale skins are (still) by far the majority.in the British Isles.
Most people most of the time are not well represented by the loud, manipulative screeches of activists and hucksters and attention-seekers (which are then used as click-bait by hacks) – it is a mistake to conflate them.
Actually, people flock to live in Britain, the US, etc; they do know the difference between a man, woman, and a transperson; they appreciate that biases is rooted in multiple factors – nationality, class, race, familiarity, and neuropsychology; and understand the difference between the appearance of strength (autocratic systems) and actual strength (mature democracies, such as they are).
Why just Guardian? Your own columnist Guy Dampier has written exactly the same set of make belief claims, about Hindus being the perpetrators of violence against them, (as if published in partnership with Al-Jazeera) in The Critic, whereas writing for this journal the same day he has more nuance to add. Can this unherdness really be trusted? Is it just an exercise to appeal to those who have no platform to speak their truth till the time you can join the party of mainstream abject lies?
Hindu is not exactly religion as Christians and Muslims view. Hinduism is above the god where people can choose different gods or faiths or not choose god at all. Hindu books actively encourage people to search their own way. Hindu religion also teaches non violence towards others and respecting other beliefs. This is always evolving religion as the time changes.
Agreed that Hinduism is not religion in any sense of the word. It has four components (1) Dharma, (2) Artha, (3) Kama, (4) Moxhsha>
of these Dharma is associated laws of Nature in all different contexts (Rita Satyam Dharmam), Rest of the three are different human activities taht have to the under the supervision of Dharma, no violations of Dharma. The (4) and the last one is about the Nature of reality, cosmology and nature of living beings and how to see reality in its highest state. This highest state is one of Conscious as it is in its pristine state and has to be experienced, if interested. That is not compulsion either. The world view and Hindu cosmology is very important here, because practices are deeply connected with that.
Is there a parallel to be drawn between American universities now seeking to limit the number of students of Indian origin, and the Guardian overemphasising the role of Hindutva in riots in the UK? Could it be that the Guardian thinks that Indians are only “superficially” persons of colour (hat-tip to Rupa Huq MP) because of their frequent economic success?
British Indians are the new Jews.
The invitation to Sadhvi Ritambhara to tour Britain has caused violence to break out between Hindu and Muslim communities that had previously lived peaceably side by side. Immense damage is being done by the importation of Wahhabism, which is not South Asian at all, but which is sponsored by the Saudi overlords of the Conservative Party and of the Labour Right. No less damage is being done by the importation of the ideology of their beloved Narendra Modi.Ritambhara is at least as hostile to Christians as she is to Muslims, and she is very hostile to Muslims. Hindutva types are always like that. I know them of old. Ritambhara ought to be banned from entering this country, as should several other such figures with whom Conservative and right-wing Labour politicians consort, such as Tapan Ghosh.Instead, though, the Conservatives have regained and then retained at least three marginal seats by means of Operation Dharmic Vote, which promised to repeal the ban on caste discrimination. That promise has been made good. Having been illegal for a time, caste discrimination is once again perfectly legal in the United Kingdom.Not to be outdone, Keir Starmer keeps the same company. Even the last Labour Government banned discrimination on grounds of caste, but any future Labour Government would not do so. Starmer has also unilaterally abandoned Labour’s consistently unanimous Conference policy of self-determination for Kashmir, and now supports the Indian claim instead, which will cost the party a million previously highly reliable votes. All that, and now this, too.Ritambhara and Ghosh are inciters of the violence that they have now brought to these shores, or even direct participants in it. A South Asian Muslim who was that objectionable, although not a Saudi one, would rightly be excluded as not conducive to the public good. Do not vote either Conservative or Labour. Make our own arrangements.
What is the ideology of Narendra Modi? Naziism was European Christian phenomenon, to punish Jews because they held them responsible for the execution of Christ (if he existed). And lo and behold after the swas done church distances themselves from it and not blame Hindus for Nazism and Fascism, with European phenomenon. We have no such history, except the one being created bye the vhurch to malign Hindu.
Narendra Modi unlike any European leader of any repute is honest and dedicated to India. The destruction that Islamic Genocides and British colonials caused, reduced Indian share of GDP from 40%-38% in 1 AD to 16% by the end if Islam (1800) and then to 6% by the end of British colonial rule. (read economic History of the world by Angus Madison) We are rising again and taking our due place. What man is worried by that rise. This is coupled with the Brown sepoys working oil your Universities, because they could not find useful employment in India.
But worry not, we will rise, and no matter how hard you try, you can not stop us.
“Naziism was European Christian phenomenon, to punish Jews because they held them responsible for the execution of Christ”
Really? As if the Nazis cared about who killed Christ. Incoherent argument,
Hitler was a stain fundamentalist. Xtianity wiped out your own ancestors and condemns all of humanity that existed before it as savage, evil. So much for common sense. Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HspDwwVv1Fk&t=149s
They did, as did rest of the Christians. That is why Jews were hounded from Spain, France, England. It finally came to boil in Germany where the opportunity rose to eliminate them.
You are baffled by the mirror shown to you, and will not accept it. Exactly as Muslims did to Non-Muslims and Christians deny what they did to rest of the non-christian population.
“…working oil your universities”. Pure gibberish.
Sure, far better than your two letter denials. You can not form a coherent argument to deny. There are enough documents to prove it.