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Brett H
Brett H
2 months ago

it isnā€™t the virus that the less enlightened sections of society regard as deadly, invisible, infectious and omnipotent, but the state which tries to protect them against it. 
Sometimes there actually is a conspiracy. Just because some theories are outlandish doesnā€™t mean there is no conspiracy and government covid actions were a conspiracy. The demonising of conspiracy, itā€™s craziness, is a way of shutting down the people and weā€™ve seen it in action.

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
2 months ago

You may not believe in conspiracies, but conspiracies believe in you.

Nik Jewell
Nik Jewell
2 months ago

“These forces are toxic, contagious, all-pervasive, without any identifiable source and well-nigh impossible to overcome.”
The identifiable source is billionaires who intend to own and control all the resources on the planet and are now very close to achieving their goals. The plans are well laid out and documented, and they can be found on the UN, WHO, and WEF websites. They are not hidden or concealed. If people only spent a few hours reading these websites and the documents on them, they would find clear explanations of everything happening around them. They will also note that they have never been offered a vote on any of this.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
2 months ago

In the 1960s American students enthusiastically embraced Tolkien. But not for his Catholicism. Whether Tolkienā€™s literary creation was experienced by these young people as a frisson of what it was to be United States American haunted by their Anglo colonial roots, if anyone needed a consoling fantasy enshrined in their heart, the Shire wouldnā€™t be a bad one at all. 
The Shire isnā€™t a militaristic power. It has no empire and doesnā€™t seek one. It is overlooked by the rest of the world and therefore cannot have a migration crisis of tens of thousands of refugees from war-torn Rohan. It has no pretentions to be a ā€˜Global Shireā€™. And last but not least, the Shire has no ā€˜special relationshipā€™ with the witch realm of Angmar. 
However, there are some differences between the Shire folk and the English. The Shire people are not seafarers. They have had no industrial revolution. Even if the Shire had a coastline, without having an industrial revolution as well, they could never have the English seaside holiday. That would be a considerable loss. 
One enviable feature of the Shire is its history. No event in it is such that it can disturb the mind and lead to history becoming pathological. There are no statues of long-forgotten notables from the 17th century of the Third Age of the Sun that need dumping in the Bandywine River. There are no peoples of Far Harad demanding recompense for the ill-use of their ancestors and no Mayor of Hobbiton who would be docile and enervated enough to find ā€˜creativeā€™ ways of indulging them if there were. 
There are no Shire historians looking at the past and trying to mine a grievance from the fact that a long-forgotten king of men granted to their ancestors as a place of settlement an unwanted province devasted by war rather than one better furnished. 
Whether England should be like it or not, the Shire is the subject of the benignant interest and guardianship of one of the eternal entities who form the overarching supernatural structure to what is – despite the creation of all in the thought of the One using the Flame Imperishable – an otherwise godless universe.  
As elsewhere in the world, and unlike England, the Shire has no places of worship. Though close to the soil, the Shire folk are not even animist, as are the Elves. So untroubled are they by religion, nothing reaches the Shire people of any of the greatest spirits; not even of ManwĆ« who is the breath of all people. 
But congratulations to Mr Eagleton for describing a non-conspiratorial world as if it were a conspiracy. Does wearing the world like a hair shirt calm the soul? 

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
2 months ago

Visit the Rockefeller Centre in New York during the week before Christmas and you couldn’t find people more ‘stacked together’ than those around the Christmas tree.

j watson
j watson
2 months ago

Conspiracy and Narcissists go together. I’m so unique and insightful only I and few like me can see and explain this etc etc. It’s makes me special. Groan.
Many things are complex and not straightforward. They warrant an inquisitive mind that can absorb nuance and intricacy. Conspiracies can thus also appeal to the lazy.
And then of course there are the manipulators. They drip-feed the narcissists and the lazy.

Caradog Wiliams
Caradog Wiliams
2 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Donā€™t forget that conspiracies can also be fun. Imagine that you live a life talking to your friends on the phone: everyone knows that politics are boring, boring ā€¦ but conspiracies can be exciting. How many conversations start with, ā€œThey say thatā€¦.ā€?

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
2 months ago
Reply to  j watson

In a sense though, conspiracy theorists are usually right. What they miss is that the conspirators are not usually acting consciously but out of class interest. The mantra ‘government should be left to the experts (ie: people like me)’ so beloved of the Blairites is a good example. Another is the fondness for open borders of the asset owning class which is so enriched by them and which they explain with appeals to phoney altruism.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
2 months ago

I always enjoy reading lengthy articles about the US written by people who’ve barely spent any time there. They are invariably informed more by the peculiar snobbery of the provincial British intellectual than by any genuine knowledge or understanding.

Victor James
Victor James
2 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Case in point:
There is still suburban middle-class life, but scratch the surface and you will find monstrous predators and blood-lusting fiends.”
Scratch the surface of these leftists you’ll find a swivelled eyed conspiracy theorist who literally thinks white people who live in nice houses are brain eating nazis. It’s an eternal fever dream. The lizard nazi of suburbia is everywhere and omnipotent.

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2 months ago
Reply to  Victor James

Aimlessly and pointlessly abusive.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
2 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Yes and however cursed the US at least they do not have to suffer Mr Eagleton

Nathan Sapio
Nathan Sapio
2 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Thanks for reading the article so I didn’t have to

Victor James
Victor James
2 months ago

Conspiracy Theory” = Smear thrown at ‘outsiders’ to undermine public scrutiny.

Wilfred Davis
Wilfred Davis
2 months ago

‘The United States is the land of conspiracy theories …’

No need to read further than the opening words, really.

The article talks of the human unwillingness to accept the randomness of life; of humans’ belief in external, especially divine, influence on events; of the presence of malign forces; of fear of contamination from the other.

All interesting topics, worthy of thoughtful analysis and understanding.

And you will find those hopes and fears in all cultures, all over the world, forever.

But it’s the United States, see. The United States. The United States. They’re demons, I tells ya.

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2 months ago
Reply to  Wilfred Davis

It’s not that they’re demons. They’re assorted. It’s not even that American institutions are fundamentally demonic, if you leave aside the presumption of settler colonialism. The demonic qualities of American regimes and it’s presence in the world are a happenstance of internal and external interplay. A lot of evil has been installed there by British ruling orders.

Matthew Jones
Matthew Jones
2 months ago

I think I got up to the bit about young black men being injured in police cells before I gave up. A tough old read if you are intolerant to utter tosh.

Nathan Sapio
Nathan Sapio
2 months ago
Reply to  Matthew Jones

Exactly the same here. Terry, read Roland Fryer and get up to speed.

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blue 0
2 months ago

What a long winded, smug way of stating US citizens who don’t agree with you are some lunatic fringe, Mr, Eagleton maybe you cannot hear the difference between an upper Midwest accent and an Upper Plains accent doesn’t mean it’s not there. And more striking try the Appalachian accent vs the NYC accent.

Caradog Wiliams
Caradog Wiliams
2 months ago

I would imagine that people in government think in terms of ā€˜usā€™ and ā€˜themā€™. Only we understand the truth but we have to explain it to them, the plebs. So, in a way, a conspiracy is necessary to sell an idea, as well as to refute the same idea. Almost nothing that you read can be separated from a conspiracy. An author on UnHerd is conspiring with the UnHerd management to make an article which appeals to the members.
The wackier conspiracies are started by people who want to draw attention to themselves, who want to be interesting.

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
2 months ago

Or in the ā€œknowā€.

Andrew R
Andrew R
2 months ago

There’s a paradox at play here, if you create an ideology then you will find like minded people to pursue it but who can you trust. At some point, knowledge of said ideology will leak out. Will those who believe in the ideology, admit their part in it or dismiss it or perhaps more likely engage in machiavellian behaviours: sophistry, obfuscation etc. That is when the conspiracy theories come in to play followed by an endless cycle of denial, social media only amplifies this sense of paranoia.

Evan Heneghan
Evan Heneghan
2 months ago

Terry Eagleton, truly one of the most over-educated, under-brained individuals Iā€™ve had the misfortune to read.

George Locke
George Locke
2 months ago

Conspiracy theories are out to purge human life of chance and coincidence. The claim that paedophilic Jewish reptiles from a distant galaxy are running the banking system may take some believing, but so does the claim that the large number of young black men killed or injured in police cells is purely coincidental. 

Terry has never written an article in which he doesn’t contradict himself, but the fact that he managed to contradict himself in the same paragraph is a new low.

AC Harper
AC Harper
2 months ago

You could argue that Americans are modern day Cathars, believers in two Gods. Wikipedia:

According to tradition, Cathars believed that the good God was the God of the New Testament faith and creator of the spiritual realm. Many Cathars identified the evil god as Satan, the master of the physical world.

Unfortunately the traditional Gnostic certainty that the Republics spoke for the rich and the Democrats spoke for the working man has shrivelled as the Parties now turn into their inverse. No wonder American politics seems to be a conspiracy theory…

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
2 months ago
Reply to  AC Harper

It makes sense though. The 1% need votes to oppress the silent majority.

So they buy the votes and pluck those they can.

Caroline Galwey
Caroline Galwey
2 months ago

Professor Eagleton’s complaint seems to be that people in America think that unreal things are real. But then he started stating all sorts of unreal, imaginary, metaphorical, unprovable things as if they were simple facts, himself.
Very like his compatriot Fintan O’Toole … people won’t behave in ways I consider nice, so I will create an inverted pyramid of piffle to explain why.
By the end I’d lost him completely. One for Pseuds’ Corner.

Mona Malnorowski
Mona Malnorowski
2 months ago

There’s some very vague logic in here, and of course Mr. Eagleton finds the time to draw an analogy or two between what the Third Reich were doing and what Trump is currently attempting – well done! – but the conspiracy theory idea is a flimsy one.
As I often tell people, at least before they change the subject and remember pressing engagements elsewhere, the reason lots of people believe in conspiracy theories is that they cannot take the actions of politicians on face value. When political parties put policies in place which look to the average person like a really bad idea, and from which everyone can predict a lousy outcome, and which inevitably DO have a lousy outcome, people refuse to believe they don’t have some kind of hidden agenda – otherwise why would they do things so obviously counterproductive? Surely not for the good of the people, like they’re supposed to be. What are they hiding? What are their REAL intentions? Seems pretty obvious to me.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago

Some good insights here, but quite a bit of nonsense, too. America is not Puritan. Progressivism is. It is the last, most desiccated form of Puritan religion, shorn of Jesus but with all the moral hauteur and intolerance intact. People like that will slap the cig out of your mouth. Or elect Kamala Harris.

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2 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

That’s good, really good, apart from the point where you try to touch down at the end.

Robert
Robert
2 months ago

Huh? WTF was this about?
This bit is particularly irritating, though:
In this sense, conspiracy theories exemplify the forces they seek to hunt down. When a pandemic breaks out in this context, as it did in 2020, it isnā€™t the virus that the less enlightened sections of society regard as deadly, invisible, infectious and omnipotent, but the state which tries to protect them against it. At a time when bodies actually need to be insulated from each other for their own good, they cast off their protective masks in the name of liberty and demand to be allowed to breathe together ā€” another irony, since breathing together is the literal meaning of ā€œconspiracyā€.
As ā€œA very fine Americanā€ I’m tempted to say FU and leave it at that. But, protect us? The state created the crisis and there were people (conspiracy theorists, Mr Eagleton?) who, as early as May of 2020, were discussing furin cleavage sites, a Wuhan lab and the complicity of certain government officials in playing hide the weenie with government funding. I know because I found there conversations interesting.
What the heck – FU, Terry.

Santiago Saefjord
Santiago Saefjord
2 months ago

The thing is Terry your philosophy points are spot on but your against-conspiracy theory is a little, well, conspiratorial.

You missed the part where Kamala Harris was plonked on the podium after an aging buffoon puppet was ‘elected’ into office.

How’s that for a conspiracy?

Spencer Dugdale
Spencer Dugdale
2 months ago

His final paragrpah must be a homage to Kamala Harris for being a word salad as meaningless as hers.

Philip Gerrans
Philip Gerrans
2 months ago

Please God no more Eagleton. How does he get published here? He is the and English Zizek in every sense. Moderately intelligent windbag whose mind is marinated in a toxic stew of Marxist historiography and lit crit word salad. Also Like Zisek a nostalgic boomer conservative masquerading as a trenchant social critic. never a fact or a number just one pretentious ridiculous sweeping statement after another. unreadable and embarrassing.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
2 months ago

If Americans have learned anything over the past several years, it’s that so-called conspiracy theories have this way of becoming verifiable facts in relatively short order.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
2 months ago

There has been such a sharp decline in the quality of UnHerd since the management change that I am withdrawing my support. I’ll look in a few months from now to to see if I detect improvement, but I’m not optimistic. Cheery-bye-bye!

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago
Reply to  Jerry Carroll

You should most definitely stay for the cheap entertainment!

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2 months ago

Powerful insight here denied to Americans themselves who are wandering lost in their troubled landscape.

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2 months ago

So why engage TE, apart from the pure pleasure of reading him, irrespective? Maybe to puff up a notion that Unheard is lire than merely alt right? Or dialectical thinking that it’s good to wind up the usual addicts from time to time. By offering something unheard normally in their bailiwicks. And confident their amour propre can only be burnished thereby.

Konstantinos Stavropoulos
Konstantinos Stavropoulos
2 months ago

Terry Eagleton is a fine fellow, but a bit stack to his nerative..! If you don’t take your nerative out in the open to breath some fresh air that nerative stands no longer. I understand the tendency to support one’s ideas. I think though that the best way to empower these ideas is to bring them into contrast with the finest of the opposition. Sadly, the leftists more and more in our time, quit the effort of intelligent dialogue and only have mad to throw towards the “enemy”..!

By the way.. can someone explain to me what was the “non-being”, that Jews were allegedly standing for..?
“..Annihilating Jews was an attempt to abolish the frightful form of non-being they stood for, which threatened the very foundations of the Third Reich..”

Nicholas Taylor
Nicholas Taylor
2 months ago

It is all too easy for authors to fall for their own internal conspiracy theories and their facility with words that flow with artful flourish. Reading ā€œpaedophilic Jewish reptiles from a distant galaxyā€ I almost floated off the ground. Thereā€™s a whole bestseller and blockbuster movie in that phrase.
Still, America is a very strange country, both in its unique origin, unity with diversity and, as the author states, its combination of aggressive high-technology with political and religious myth. The latter is most peculiar, as it is hard to imagine Christian conservatives letting a mendicant preacher who believes in not sowing, reaping or giving thought to the morrow past their front door.
Today, the morrow is bright from sea to shining sea. But the next four years may be the last chance for the politics of denial: of climate change, education, true facts, plodding everyday administration, Machiavellian foreign forces, and of long slow changes driving shifts of power, competitive advantage, deprivation and migration.

glyn harries
glyn harries
2 months ago

Brilliant as always from Terry Eagleton.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
2 months ago
Reply to  glyn harries

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

Cantab Man
Cantab Man
2 months ago

Progressive journalists, Tech billionaires, Hollywood, and their fellow Democrat allies have approximately one month to concoct a fakery ā€œvast right-wing conspiracyā€ to rewrite history – like they did at the end of 2015 when Trump won (ā€œTrump Russia Collusion everybody!ā€) – or theyā€™ll lose the progressive initiative to bog down the will of the American people that will be set in motion by the President Elect and Republicans.
By definition, Trumpā€™s popular vote win, Trumpā€™s landslide electoral college win (with 312 electoral votes), the Republican win of the Senate, and the Republican win of the House means that Trump and his vision for America now represent the center.
Also, by definition, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris hold the more extremist vision for America as judged by the voters. They and their vision(s) were rejected by the people.
And yet many progressive credentialed-class journalists are still pushing gaslighting articles in which they encourage Trump to ā€˜move to the center.ā€™ By which they mean Trump should move to the Left fringe that they, themselves, still occupy without being cognizant of the reality that they speak on behalf of no one but the fringe (progressives once called those that they perceived were on the fringe, ā€œextremistsā€).
Trump IS the center, by absolute definition, after such one-sided national and local elections.

Spencer Dugdale
Spencer Dugdale
2 months ago

Eagleton writing his own comfort blanket. The only thing lurking under kitchen tables was women and minorities refusing to be patronised. They cared about immigration and the economy as much as anyone. The Democrat assumption that they owned these people and need not address their very real concerns was blown apart.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
2 months ago

“There are those, however, who fear that this cultural uniformity is not exactly what the Founding Fathers meant by freedom.”
Only people like the author who jealously nurse a fantasy that the most diverse country not just on earth but in history is somehow flawed at its core for the sin of ignoring how the rest of the world tells us we must behave. Have a good day, Terry.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
2 months ago

“Some years ago, if you smoked on the street in the United States, it was possible to have the cigarette knocked out of your hand by a concerned citizen, if not in Manhattan then perhaps in Wichita Falls. This wasnā€™t only because smoking can kill you, or because the States is a profoundly puritan nation somewhat given to self-righteous moralising.”
Former smoker here. This never happened. Someone please notify the self-righteous puritan moralizing at us at the top of his lungs.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
2 months ago

“When a pandemic breaks out in this context, as it did in 2020, it isnā€™t the virus that the less enlightened sections of society regard as deadly, invisible, infectious and omnipotent, but the state which tries to protect them against it.”
It was a serious disease in some very small populations, but many more people died WITH it than FROM it. We the “less enlightened” knew this at the time, and that “the state” and complicitly censoring social network “moderators” were actively suppressing such impermissible opinions. Sorry, there really was a conspiracy. https://www.wsj.com/articles/covid-worsened-america-rage-virus-for-which-theres-no-vaccine-lockdown-vaccine-mandates-ron-desantis-stanford-masking-2670cd39?st=6yY88a&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

mac mahmood
mac mahmood
2 months ago

How come the last election was stolen but this one was not. Really difficult to figure out how the deep state works. Or why. Moves in mysterious ways.