Ditto …. I’ll save you the time. See my post above.
Champagne Socialist
1 year ago
This is really going to trigger the ancients at Unherd!
Here’s what I predict – follow along and see how I do!
There’s bound to be a few people who claim not to know who Taylor Swift is because they haven’t read the MSM since 1961 or whatever. Closely related will be the folks who claim not to care about a subject that they have just read a reasonably lengthy piece about and then taken the trouble to comment on – love those guys!
Someone is bound to say its her fault if the Chiefs don’t win the Super Bowl because she made Travis Kelce gay or something.
What else? The usual anti-LGBT+ bigotry that we have come to expect. There will be some hate directed at Taylor Swift because she doesn’t have the political sensibilities of, say, Kid Rock.
Honestly, I just do not give a damn about LGB at all. Boring. So what? All over the place, always been all over the place. Good ones. Bad ones. Just like everybody else.
As for the rest of that alphabet? Most of them are just run of the mill freaks with mental illnesses. But again, if they do not bother me, then what do I care?
As fro Taylor Swift, eh, the real story is how these celebrities are allowed no private lives. Just not possible. Though, we could argue that the story is the gross behavior of some writers who just want to be aholes and speculate about something that is none of their business. It is just gross and it is intentionally cruel for the sake of clicks.
Most of those weren’t hard to predict – but I guess that’s the point. I thought that was pretty good. More quality stuff like this please. Upvote from me, though it won’t help much.
More interesting as I wrote above is that there is no such thing as persons who are identifiably distinctly and immutably LGBetc. The GANNA study has proved that most people with the same genome which has no sex specific elements to it in any case, are normally sexually attracted and active. And any behavioral change is overwhelmingly towards normal human sexual attraction and behavior. Reproductive organs after all, are about reproduction. But most important are the largely abused kids who are driven into this high risk , high disease, high suicide lifetyle. and the utter confusion that lies and dishonesty has sewn in the cult -ure that sees thousands of young women paying surgeons to mutilate them as companies convicted of felony behaviors and lies, feeds them hormones with devastating effects. Just who are the “phobes” here?
And for the decay of journalism we can thank the rise of social media, beginning with Facebook. And social media could not exist without the Internet. Which used to be a great place to find documented facts and information, in the years B.G. (Before Google). And Google’s early motto was, “Don’t Be Evil”.
It reminds me of how the inventors of television believed it would be a channel to distribute educational material and high culture to those living out in the countryside. Then, along came advertising…
T Bone
1 year ago
This is an extremely well written, nuanced article. I’ve never cared for her proclaimed politics or her music but as Taylor has been forced into the culture wars more, I do find her to be a somewhat relatable person. I think her star power is based on a sense of humility that she gives off, which is uncommon for celebrities.
I get that she does a lot of political virtue signaling and her music is mostly trashing ex-boyfriends but at the end of the day she is an entertainer. She’s playing an Anti-Hero role. She’s been highly successful and as somebody that values meritocracy, I just can’t build up too much resentment for anybody that’s talented enough to command that kind of market power. Ain’t gonna be a Hater. Her personal life is none of my business. Wish her the best. I hope she finds happiness.
Well said. Although i couldn’t name one of her songs (just baiting ChampSoc here), it’s possible to recognise her status as a cultural phenomenon and the way she deftly handles the fame.
KR is right about her maintaining composure in the face of media gossip, an object lesson for a whole bunch of other slebs. I can see it’d also be a good career move for any hetero male to wish to become the next in line as album fodder. The adoration of her fanbase might compensate for the possibility that her beaus have ulterior motives; but she can never be sure.
LeeKC C
1 year ago
Seems to me to be the continuation of a dominant portion within the LGBTQI community once again to continue to draw anything of perceived cultural ‘value’, both now and in a time before, into their black hole of self loathing. Why else would you project this onto others if you are so happy and filled with ‘pride’ with your own sense of self? It would not be necessary or even wanted.
In reply to Champagne Socialist – care -yes – in-as-much as we are all being dragged into this maelstrom of nonsense by them at the expense of anyone and everyone else. So yes I care. Thankfully. But not in the way you think. Sorry for you.
I hope she doesn’t as the NYT has lost all credibility as a serious newspaper. As befits a gossip rag, it is now best utilised to line bird cages although I would not want to inflict the contents on my parrots. They are intelligent and sensible birds.
I certainly hope Ms. Swift ignores such gossip, just as Kat R. and UnHerd should have ignored it. To post this thousand-word essay only served to lend gravitas to the rumors.
54321
1 year ago
This subject always reminds me of Caroline Aherne’s brilliant The Royle Family^. Malingering Mancunian paterfamilias Jim and his dim-witted son-in-law Dave are discussing a well-known rumour about a Hollywood star:
“R_____ G___ is gay, you know.”
“Is he?”
“Oh yeah! Its common knowledge down the Feathers (their local pub).”
The main lesson to be drawn out of this whole Taylor Swift thing is that the New York Times is so determined to demean its own history and reputation in pursuit of “relevance” that it might as well be dancing on the street with its trousers down begging for pennies.
^ For anyone not familiar, The Royle Family is a sitcom about a working class British family who do little else than watch TV and argue. The premise may not sound very promising but it contains some of the best and most insightful comedy writing in British TV history.
peter lucey
1 year ago
Or, I suppose, it’s possible that the NYT “story” was arranged. That is, at the Taylor Swift Corp monthly strategy conference, the marketing team suggested that an NYT story might deepen penetration in an otherwise neglected sales demographic.
If it is able to do so it would disprove its existence. An admirable project for a hedge fund millionaire though.
Brad Mountz
1 year ago
NYT = Crap. Same LGBTzyz BS. If she’s gay or isn’t she is NOYFB! Get your fantasy kicks elsewhere!
Richard C
1 year ago
Unherd has degenerated into clickbait with this and some other recent stories.
Gay women are unlikely to be attracted to the type of man that Travis Kelce is. On the other side, there is a near zero probability of Kelce being a sexual ‘beard’ for Swift.
Easily three-fourths of the headlines have been clickbait here for years. So it’s not a process of descending as much as a completed descent. But the article itself has some substance and insight, I think–despite the trivial starting point.
What? I’d do it and I’m not even gay. Taylor Swift is the closest to a goddess our modern secular culture gets and while Kelce gets to pretend he’s dating Aphrodite he gets to free-love all the premium escorts and strippers he wants whilst maintaining a sponsor friendly American sweetheart image.
The story was published in the times, and Taylor Swift is the biggest star on the planet
Richard Craven
1 year ago
“the political rumour-mongering about which Hollywood figures were Communist sympathisers at the height of the Red Scare”
We urgently need another Red Scare, or perhaps that should be Woke Scare.
Kat Rosenfield can turn the most idle subject matter into a searching and incisive essay. She writes real good too. Love her wit and willingness to have a good laugh in the midst of the lamentable.
It seems that our collective fascination with what goes on below the navels of the famous is an extension of our “collective navel gazing” run amok; a prismatic self projected onto manifold screens, mirrored by the solitary poses of inward-looking fascination. (Or something like that–I think Ms. Rosenfield or Marshall McLuhan could say it better).
Carissa Pavlica
1 year ago
Using other people to serve your inner satisfaction about a point you then make in public is crass. You don’t out someone for their lifestyle choice to serve your own. Nobody is under any obligation to do your talking for you no matter their personal persuasion, but people who demand all of this are doing just that under the blanket term of representation.
Gayle Rosenthal
1 year ago
Who cares ? She makes good art and I already have enough friends in my life to have real relationships with. I’m not the slightest bit interested in her sex life.
“The welcome rise in visibility of the LGBT community”.
I do wish people would stop conflating ‘T’ with ‘LGB’. It is not ‘welcome’ in the view of many people who are LGB. It’s an entirely separate ‘community’ with an entirely different agenda.
Don’t pretend that you are now a friend of the LGB community. Its not so long since you were foaming at the mouth about gay marriage and, if the religious wingnuts on the US Supreme Court get their way, that may be another right that Americans lose.
The anti-trans hatred is simply the next front in the battle for equality and you are mad because you know you are losing, just like you did with race, gender and sexual equality.
How does that feel?
You can be a friend of, and/or have friends in, the ‘LGB Community’ whilst not supporting gay marriage. There are plenty of gay people who themselves oppose it.
You are quite correct. The rise in visibility of the T community is definitely not welcome nor (though less so), to be honest, is the LGB. As while I don’t care what people get up to in their spare (consenting adults’) time I do not feel the need/interest to be viewing other peoples’ private lifestyles let alone having it forced on me. I have gay friends/acquaintances who are good people even if I have no enthusiasm for the LGB side of their character but they keep their private actions private (as I do mine) and I respect that.
Both the actions of the LGB or LGBT community and their visibility in our society are signs of our impending collapse.
Sorry Jane. I empathise with your position. I wish that the portion of the LGB community that feels this way was more vocalized in its stance and why. Unfortunately the public space has been dominated by the ‘pride’ rainbow. That flag is being flown everywhere to the exclusion of almost everything else. It has become the centre of public life. I have always had friends and colleagues who were gay and deeply respected their choices. However as someone else has pointed out below, I am sick and tired of overt ‘pride’ sexuality dominating my space. I don’t care for anyone’s sexuality but continually having it front and centre and shoved down my throat is too much to handle. They are shooting themselves in the foot. I don’t want anyone’s overt sexuality shoved in my face no matter who they are or their orientation. Just get on with life and be a part of society. Not dominant.
An interesting quote from Rob Henderson as a take away:
“If a male enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, he was born this way. If a female enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, she was brainwashed by society”.
LGB isn’t a “community” either. Lesbians and gays have little in common and neither look favourably on bisexuals. At best it’s a coalition of convenience for the sake of political power.
Alex Lekas
1 year ago
I thought the whole point of all this societal “progress” we have experienced was so questions like this would be superfluous. At the same time, it tells all that anyone needs to know about activists – they NEVER stop. Ever. There is no goal line for them to cross and no incentive to find solutions for whatever problems they see. Their ends are served by perpetuating problems, real or perceived, because that’s where the grift lies. A solution means the end of the line. Who wants that?
Philip May
1 year ago
Yawn. Are they serving tapioca for lunch today?
Champagne Socialist
1 year ago
It looks like my predictions were 100% correct. You guys are nothing if not predictable!
Your self-made superiority has once again been echoed in the hollows–or turbulent channels–of your skull. Cool story bro. Can’t you at least be a better or more entertaining troll?
I meant: Nice try, you’ve cooked the numbers and sound like a self-congratulatory fool. And I think you’re smart enough to know that. Cut your overreach by two-thirds and you’ll be harder to ignore than you are now.
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago
All this educated-class word salad is fine. But as a grandfather, let me tell you: the meaning of Life, the Universe, Everything is grandchildren.
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Taylor has never been very vocal about political or social issues. I suspect she’s simply taking what I call the ‘Michael Jordan’ approach to building her personal brand. Back in 1990, Jordan was asked about an election in North Carolina involving Republican Senator Jesse Helms, who was a long serving incumbent, hard right winger, and a longtime opponent of civil rights legislation going back to the 70’s. Jordan declined to make any public political endorsement and jested that “Republicans buy sneakers too,” though he later did clarify he had voted Democrat. He was more concerned with playing basketball, making money, and building his brand into a multimillion dollar enterprise than he was with moral crusading. I suspect Taylor is simply more interested in making music, living her life, and maybe there’s an element of appealing to a broader audience to sell more music. Not everybody is trying to make the world a better place. Some people are just trying to live and succeed in it, whether it’s good, bad, or neither. I suspect the world would be a better place if more people took this approach. At the end of the day, the deeds of do-gooders don’t do much good.
Robert Bethard
1 year ago
Taylor Swift being, or rumored to be, a lesbian increases her “hipness factor” to her legions of fans, especially the younger ones.
She’s trying to “shake off” (forgive me) the safe “America’s Sweetheart” image. That’s what her 2019 song You Need to Calm Down and her 2018 endorsement of a Democratic Senate candidate was doing.
Tangential but germane I hope –
If sexual orientation is whatever one says it is and is fluid and changeable how does that factor in when LGBTQ+ status is a diversity bonus for a job seeker? Case in point Hollywood, Academy Award inclusion Standards. https://ictnews.org/news/new-academy-award-inclusion-standards-draw-praise-from-native-filmmakers#:~:text=The%20new%20rules%20also%20require,people%20with%20cognitive%20or%20physical
From that site: “The new rules also require that at least two of the key creative leadership positions or department heads — casting director, cinematographer, composer, costume designer, director — and crew composition must include be women or representatives of a racial or ethnic group; LGBTQ+; or people with cognitive or physical disabilities; or who fall into one of the following categories: Asian; Hispanic/Latinx; Black/African American; Indigenous/Native American/Alaskan Native; Middle Eastern/North African; Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander, or another underrepresented race or ethnicity”
How do they verify a jobseeker for a “key creative leadership” position on a movie crew’s claim to LGBTQ+ status?
What “proof” is required? wouldn’t it make sense for a white male to say they are “queer”?
Is this all based on self report? Do they think job candidates never lie?
Stuart Rose
1 year ago
Excellent piece. The analogy of the Times piece to those articles in the 50s ascribing support of Communism to star is astute.
Phil Mac
1 year ago
I’m sure Swift is privately delighted at this keeping her in the conversation and attracting some victim type sympathy. It’s so helpful it could have been planted by her PR force.
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Harry Styles and Taylor Swift dated. After the break-up, Taylor’s loathing of Styles was not typical of someone who had been in a pretend-only relationship.
0 0
1 year ago
Why is this sort of speculation compulsory about so called stars ,vespecially female ones?
William Cameron
1 year ago
Why do the Queer people need to endlessly discuss their predilections as though we are interested ?
William Cameron
1 year ago
LGB is what they are . T is a separate matter and not the same at all.
Sensible Citizen
1 year ago
You can’t help but wonder if the Swift/Kelce union is a paid marketing stunt by a certain pharma who has signed Kelce, whom no one in the world (except for American NFL fans, a shrinking breed) has ever heard of, yet is making $20m to promote dubious jabs. The relationship looks fake. No bikini pics on the beach — de rigor for celebratory flings — and no spontaneous spottings that suggest they “date.” Her willingness to sacrifice a legit relationship for money would suggest she maybe doesn’t care for men.
UnHerd Reader
1 year ago
Alphabet people desperately want everyone else to be alphabet people. While also making the (scientifically false) claim that they’re born that way and can’t change. While the rate of teenage girls turning trans explodes in the space of a few years. They’re not trying to convert anybody though. It’s totally happening naturally.
UnHerd Reader
1 year ago
All I can say is “Got myself a crying, talking, sleeping, walking living doll”..
Tom More
1 year ago
Its so ironic that the recent Ganna study of over half a million proved that there is no such thing as “gay”. They have normal genomes. The behaviors are associated with experiencing at an early age, parental divorce, alienation from a same sex parent of death of same. And the NYC AIDS surveys taken during the megadeath AIDS romp through same sex behaving people found that about half of people surveyed with AIDS reported their first sexual experience as being sodomized or interfered with by an older male at the average age of eleven.
And now we know that the so called study mislabeling SOCE (Sexual Orientation Change Efforts) as “conversion” therapy and banned across the west, was an utterly and transparently fraudulent exercise. They included people who were suicidal BEFORE the SOCE as victims of SOCE. The actual results showed an 80% reduction of suicidality in adults.
Everything in the west, all talk, all media, all articles, are lies. Often told by well intended people who just underemphasize that “trans” people have a 19X greater suicide rate. And that over a million young men have died from practicing sodomy.
And nobody was born that way. We could be helping these kids and victims of dysfunction and abuse. But we sacrifice them and hold parades for them. We are such a bizarre and deadly cult.
I’m trying to care. Let’s see how it goes.
And there it is!
And there it/they are!
Ditto …. I’ll save you the time. See my post above.
This is really going to trigger the ancients at Unherd!
Here’s what I predict – follow along and see how I do!
There’s bound to be a few people who claim not to know who Taylor Swift is because they haven’t read the MSM since 1961 or whatever. Closely related will be the folks who claim not to care about a subject that they have just read a reasonably lengthy piece about and then taken the trouble to comment on – love those guys!
Someone is bound to say its her fault if the Chiefs don’t win the Super Bowl because she made Travis Kelce gay or something.
What else? The usual anti-LGBT+ bigotry that we have come to expect. There will be some hate directed at Taylor Swift because she doesn’t have the political sensibilities of, say, Kid Rock.
Honestly, I just do not give a damn about LGB at all. Boring. So what? All over the place, always been all over the place. Good ones. Bad ones. Just like everybody else.
As for the rest of that alphabet? Most of them are just run of the mill freaks with mental illnesses. But again, if they do not bother me, then what do I care?
As fro Taylor Swift, eh, the real story is how these celebrities are allowed no private lives. Just not possible. Though, we could argue that the story is the gross behavior of some writers who just want to be aholes and speculate about something that is none of their business. It is just gross and it is intentionally cruel for the sake of clicks.
Another load of plonking provocation from damn shame socialist.
Any takers?
How kind of you to offer, but I have a “no trolls” policy, and don’t even read his/her/its dribbling nonsense. I shall have to pass.
Na. I’m too ancient.
I’m just here for the pictures.
I’m really more of an eternal than an ancient.
Geez, you’re really not good at this prognostication stuff.
Au contraire, Jimbo – I nailed it!
I think his point is that he doesn’t have to be good.
Most of those weren’t hard to predict – but I guess that’s the point. I thought that was pretty good. More quality stuff like this please. Upvote from me, though it won’t help much.
More interesting as I wrote above is that there is no such thing as persons who are identifiably distinctly and immutably LGBetc. The GANNA study has proved that most people with the same genome which has no sex specific elements to it in any case, are normally sexually attracted and active. And any behavioral change is overwhelmingly towards normal human sexual attraction and behavior. Reproductive organs after all, are about reproduction. But most important are the largely abused kids who are driven into this high risk , high disease, high suicide lifetyle. and the utter confusion that lies and dishonesty has sewn in the cult -ure that sees thousands of young women paying surgeons to mutilate them as companies convicted of felony behaviors and lies, feeds them hormones with devastating effects. Just who are the “phobes” here?
Wait a minute…Rock Hudson was gay?
So I hear. Broke my mothers heart. LOL
Hilarious. My mother too thought Rock Hudson was a God. Never forgave him!
And David Bowie was a Thatcherite
He always was a smart one
Is that the guy who used to sing with Mick Ronson!
Wasn’t he in the Monkees?
Harvey Fierstein, too!
No, but all his boyfriends and lovers were.
Well, we can say one thing, maybe two.
First, the NYT has proved it can be as tasteless as the National Enquirer.
Second, that there are absolutely no journalistic standards today.
And for the decay of journalism we can thank the rise of social media, beginning with Facebook. And social media could not exist without the Internet. Which used to be a great place to find documented facts and information, in the years B.G. (Before Google). And Google’s early motto was, “Don’t Be Evil”.
It reminds me of how the inventors of television believed it would be a channel to distribute educational material and high culture to those living out in the countryside. Then, along came advertising…
This is an extremely well written, nuanced article. I’ve never cared for her proclaimed politics or her music but as Taylor has been forced into the culture wars more, I do find her to be a somewhat relatable person. I think her star power is based on a sense of humility that she gives off, which is uncommon for celebrities.
I get that she does a lot of political virtue signaling and her music is mostly trashing ex-boyfriends but at the end of the day she is an entertainer. She’s playing an Anti-Hero role. She’s been highly successful and as somebody that values meritocracy, I just can’t build up too much resentment for anybody that’s talented enough to command that kind of market power. Ain’t gonna be a Hater. Her personal life is none of my business. Wish her the best. I hope she finds happiness.
Well said. Although i couldn’t name one of her songs (just baiting ChampSoc here), it’s possible to recognise her status as a cultural phenomenon and the way she deftly handles the fame.
KR is right about her maintaining composure in the face of media gossip, an object lesson for a whole bunch of other slebs. I can see it’d also be a good career move for any hetero male to wish to become the next in line as album fodder. The adoration of her fanbase might compensate for the possibility that her beaus have ulterior motives; but she can never be sure.
Seems to me to be the continuation of a dominant portion within the LGBTQI community once again to continue to draw anything of perceived cultural ‘value’, both now and in a time before, into their black hole of self loathing. Why else would you project this onto others if you are so happy and filled with ‘pride’ with your own sense of self? It would not be necessary or even wanted.
In reply to Champagne Socialist – care -yes – in-as-much as we are all being dragged into this maelstrom of nonsense by them at the expense of anyone and everyone else. So yes I care. Thankfully. But not in the way you think. Sorry for you.
Thanks for dealing with Poo Fash’s woke garbage.
How does it feel to know that I can predict literally everything you are going to say?
Not having to work due to your sucking the blood out of those that do, you have plenty of time to consider irrelevant matters.
Is it the kgb or the gestapo you use for your investigations?
I’m sure Swift doesn’t care the least about idle gossip from the NYT.
I hope she doesn’t as the NYT has lost all credibility as a serious newspaper. As befits a gossip rag, it is now best utilised to line bird cages although I would not want to inflict the contents on my parrots. They are intelligent and sensible birds.
I certainly hope Ms. Swift ignores such gossip, just as Kat R. and UnHerd should have ignored it. To post this thousand-word essay only served to lend gravitas to the rumors.
This subject always reminds me of Caroline Aherne’s brilliant The Royle Family^. Malingering Mancunian paterfamilias Jim and his dim-witted son-in-law Dave are discussing a well-known rumour about a Hollywood star:
“R_____ G___ is gay, you know.”
“Is he?”
“Oh yeah! Its common knowledge down the Feathers (their local pub).”
The main lesson to be drawn out of this whole Taylor Swift thing is that the New York Times is so determined to demean its own history and reputation in pursuit of “relevance” that it might as well be dancing on the street with its trousers down begging for pennies.
^ For anyone not familiar, The Royle Family is a sitcom about a working class British family who do little else than watch TV and argue. The premise may not sound very promising but it contains some of the best and most insightful comedy writing in British TV history.
Or, I suppose, it’s possible that the NYT “story” was arranged. That is, at the Taylor Swift Corp monthly strategy conference, the marketing team suggested that an NYT story might deepen penetration in an otherwise neglected sales demographic.
Deepen penetration. Where are we going with this?
Who?
Brilliant – exactly as I predicted!
Amazing – exactly as I predicted!
Why is this important?!
Because it illustrates the decline of the legacy media.
Because of this:
If UnHerd stands for anything, surely it’s to expose and oppose the monocultural hegemony?
If it is able to do so it would disprove its existence. An admirable project for a hedge fund millionaire though.
NYT = Crap. Same LGBTzyz BS. If she’s gay or isn’t she is NOYFB! Get your fantasy kicks elsewhere!
Unherd has degenerated into clickbait with this and some other recent stories.
Gay women are unlikely to be attracted to the type of man that Travis Kelce is. On the other side, there is a near zero probability of Kelce being a sexual ‘beard’ for Swift.
Easily three-fourths of the headlines have been clickbait here for years. So it’s not a process of descending as much as a completed descent. But the article itself has some substance and insight, I think–despite the trivial starting point.
Gay women are
unlikely to benot attracted tothe type of man that Travis Kelce isto men, irrespective of their type.What? I’d do it and I’m not even gay. Taylor Swift is the closest to a goddess our modern secular culture gets and while Kelce gets to pretend he’s dating Aphrodite he gets to free-love all the premium escorts and strippers he wants whilst maintaining a sponsor friendly American sweetheart image.
Strange world you live in…
The story was published in the times, and Taylor Swift is the biggest star on the planet
“the political rumour-mongering about which Hollywood figures were Communist sympathisers at the height of the Red Scare”
We urgently need another Red Scare, or perhaps that should be Woke Scare.
Bring it on – let the morons and bigots expose themselves for further ridicule.
Hello, bigoted moron.
And really, who cares? And why does she even care? It’s publicity for her and increases her fan base. I’m surprised she even responded.
Has she responded?
You heard what came out this week, right? Turns out that Barry Manilow was secretly gay all these years. Head explodes.
Haha! “O say it ain’t so Mandy”.
You know who else is rumored to have been secretly gay? Liberace.
And George Michael but I’m not buyin’ it. Total man’s man. Wait…what does that expression mean exactly?
It’s another phrase for a valet, or personal servant.
Two laughs in a row…thumbs up.
I KNEW IT!!!
Kat Rosenfield can turn the most idle subject matter into a searching and incisive essay. She writes real good too. Love her wit and willingness to have a good laugh in the midst of the lamentable.
It seems that our collective fascination with what goes on below the navels of the famous is an extension of our “collective navel gazing” run amok; a prismatic self projected onto manifold screens, mirrored by the solitary poses of inward-looking fascination. (Or something like that–I think Ms. Rosenfield or Marshall McLuhan could say it better).
Using other people to serve your inner satisfaction about a point you then make in public is crass. You don’t out someone for their lifestyle choice to serve your own. Nobody is under any obligation to do your talking for you no matter their personal persuasion, but people who demand all of this are doing just that under the blanket term of representation.
Who cares ? She makes good art and I already have enough friends in my life to have real relationships with. I’m not the slightest bit interested in her sex life.
So why have you commented multiple times on something that bores you so much?
Surely you could answer that since you spend you’re waking life responding to people you don’t like?
Good point.
Your, not you’re.
Very good. Now, do you have an answer to the actual question?
I don’t know which is more vapid. To care about TSs personal life or to spend time reading about it. I regret the waste of time.
I’m just here for the comments.
“The welcome rise in visibility of the LGBT community”.
I do wish people would stop conflating ‘T’ with ‘LGB’. It is not ‘welcome’ in the view of many people who are LGB. It’s an entirely separate ‘community’ with an entirely different agenda.
But without the T you wouldn’t be able to make a BLGT, which is a bacon, lettuce, guacamole and tomato sandwich.
Yes. Can’t be said often enough!
Don’t pretend that you are now a friend of the LGB community. Its not so long since you were foaming at the mouth about gay marriage and, if the religious wingnuts on the US Supreme Court get their way, that may be another right that Americans lose.
The anti-trans hatred is simply the next front in the battle for equality and you are mad because you know you are losing, just like you did with race, gender and sexual equality.
How does that feel?
You can be a friend of, and/or have friends in, the ‘LGB Community’ whilst not supporting gay marriage. There are plenty of gay people who themselves oppose it.
You are quite correct. The rise in visibility of the T community is definitely not welcome nor (though less so), to be honest, is the LGB. As while I don’t care what people get up to in their spare (consenting adults’) time I do not feel the need/interest to be viewing other peoples’ private lifestyles let alone having it forced on me. I have gay friends/acquaintances who are good people even if I have no enthusiasm for the LGB side of their character but they keep their private actions private (as I do mine) and I respect that.
Both the actions of the LGB or LGBT community and their visibility in our society are signs of our impending collapse.
Sorry Jane. I empathise with your position. I wish that the portion of the LGB community that feels this way was more vocalized in its stance and why. Unfortunately the public space has been dominated by the ‘pride’ rainbow. That flag is being flown everywhere to the exclusion of almost everything else. It has become the centre of public life. I have always had friends and colleagues who were gay and deeply respected their choices. However as someone else has pointed out below, I am sick and tired of overt ‘pride’ sexuality dominating my space. I don’t care for anyone’s sexuality but continually having it front and centre and shoved down my throat is too much to handle. They are shooting themselves in the foot. I don’t want anyone’s overt sexuality shoved in my face no matter who they are or their orientation. Just get on with life and be a part of society. Not dominant.
An interesting quote from Rob Henderson as a take away:
“If a male enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, he was born this way. If a female enjoys dressing up and behaving like a woman, she was brainwashed by society”.
T begone. Go start your own movement. Stop piggybacking and devouring LGB. And leave the kids alone.
LGB isn’t a “community” either. Lesbians and gays have little in common and neither look favourably on bisexuals. At best it’s a coalition of convenience for the sake of political power.
I thought the whole point of all this societal “progress” we have experienced was so questions like this would be superfluous. At the same time, it tells all that anyone needs to know about activists – they NEVER stop. Ever. There is no goal line for them to cross and no incentive to find solutions for whatever problems they see. Their ends are served by perpetuating problems, real or perceived, because that’s where the grift lies. A solution means the end of the line. Who wants that?
Yawn. Are they serving tapioca for lunch today?
It looks like my predictions were 100% correct. You guys are nothing if not predictable!
Your self-made superiority has once again been echoed in the hollows–or turbulent channels–of your skull. Cool story bro. Can’t you at least be a better or more entertaining troll?
That’s a lot of words to say “yes, you were right”!
I meant: Nice try, you’ve cooked the numbers and sound like a self-congratulatory fool. And I think you’re smart enough to know that. Cut your overreach by two-thirds and you’ll be harder to ignore than you are now.
All this educated-class word salad is fine. But as a grandfather, let me tell you: the meaning of Life, the Universe, Everything is grandchildren.
Taylor has never been very vocal about political or social issues. I suspect she’s simply taking what I call the ‘Michael Jordan’ approach to building her personal brand. Back in 1990, Jordan was asked about an election in North Carolina involving Republican Senator Jesse Helms, who was a long serving incumbent, hard right winger, and a longtime opponent of civil rights legislation going back to the 70’s. Jordan declined to make any public political endorsement and jested that “Republicans buy sneakers too,” though he later did clarify he had voted Democrat. He was more concerned with playing basketball, making money, and building his brand into a multimillion dollar enterprise than he was with moral crusading. I suspect Taylor is simply more interested in making music, living her life, and maybe there’s an element of appealing to a broader audience to sell more music. Not everybody is trying to make the world a better place. Some people are just trying to live and succeed in it, whether it’s good, bad, or neither. I suspect the world would be a better place if more people took this approach. At the end of the day, the deeds of do-gooders don’t do much good.
Taylor Swift being, or rumored to be, a lesbian increases her “hipness factor” to her legions of fans, especially the younger ones.
She’s trying to “shake off” (forgive me) the safe “America’s Sweetheart” image. That’s what her 2019 song You Need to Calm Down and her 2018 endorsement of a Democratic Senate candidate was doing.
Tangential but germane I hope –
If sexual orientation is whatever one says it is and is fluid and changeable how does that factor in when LGBTQ+ status is a diversity bonus for a job seeker? Case in point Hollywood, Academy Award inclusion Standards.
https://ictnews.org/news/new-academy-award-inclusion-standards-draw-praise-from-native-filmmakers#:~:text=The%20new%20rules%20also%20require,people%20with%20cognitive%20or%20physical
From that site:
“The new rules also require that at least two of the key creative leadership positions or department heads — casting director, cinematographer, composer, costume designer, director — and crew composition must include be women or representatives of a racial or ethnic group; LGBTQ+; or people with cognitive or physical disabilities; or who fall into one of the following categories: Asian; Hispanic/Latinx; Black/African American; Indigenous/Native American/Alaskan Native; Middle Eastern/North African; Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander, or another underrepresented race or ethnicity”
How do they verify a jobseeker for a “key creative leadership” position on a movie crew’s claim to LGBTQ+ status?
What “proof” is required? wouldn’t it make sense for a white male to say they are “queer”?
Is this all based on self report? Do they think job candidates never lie?
Excellent piece. The analogy of the Times piece to those articles in the 50s ascribing support of Communism to star is astute.
I’m sure Swift is privately delighted at this keeping her in the conversation and attracting some victim type sympathy. It’s so helpful it could have been planted by her PR force.
Harry Styles and Taylor Swift dated. After the break-up, Taylor’s loathing of Styles was not typical of someone who had been in a pretend-only relationship.
Why is this sort of speculation compulsory about so called stars ,vespecially female ones?
Why do the Queer people need to endlessly discuss their predilections as though we are interested ?
LGB is what they are . T is a separate matter and not the same at all.
You can’t help but wonder if the Swift/Kelce union is a paid marketing stunt by a certain pharma who has signed Kelce, whom no one in the world (except for American NFL fans, a shrinking breed) has ever heard of, yet is making $20m to promote dubious jabs. The relationship looks fake. No bikini pics on the beach — de rigor for celebratory flings — and no spontaneous spottings that suggest they “date.” Her willingness to sacrifice a legit relationship for money would suggest she maybe doesn’t care for men.
Alphabet people desperately want everyone else to be alphabet people. While also making the (scientifically false) claim that they’re born that way and can’t change. While the rate of teenage girls turning trans explodes in the space of a few years. They’re not trying to convert anybody though. It’s totally happening naturally.
All I can say is “Got myself a crying, talking, sleeping, walking living doll”..
Its so ironic that the recent Ganna study of over half a million proved that there is no such thing as “gay”. They have normal genomes. The behaviors are associated with experiencing at an early age, parental divorce, alienation from a same sex parent of death of same. And the NYC AIDS surveys taken during the megadeath AIDS romp through same sex behaving people found that about half of people surveyed with AIDS reported their first sexual experience as being sodomized or interfered with by an older male at the average age of eleven.
And now we know that the so called study mislabeling SOCE (Sexual Orientation Change Efforts) as “conversion” therapy and banned across the west, was an utterly and transparently fraudulent exercise. They included people who were suicidal BEFORE the SOCE as victims of SOCE. The actual results showed an 80% reduction of suicidality in adults.
Everything in the west, all talk, all media, all articles, are lies. Often told by well intended people who just underemphasize that “trans” people have a 19X greater suicide rate. And that over a million young men have died from practicing sodomy.
And nobody was born that way. We could be helping these kids and victims of dysfunction and abuse. But we sacrifice them and hold parades for them. We are such a bizarre and deadly cult.