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Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

“ …it’s about acknowledgingthat a peaceful world order rests on our ability, as Westerners, to tolerate different national cultures, institutional arrangements and practices, even if we find them disagreeable.”
Tolerating different national cultures is fine, if everyone does it. But China is not one of those governments. This article focuses largely on Europe. But Australia has come under a lot of pressure and pushback from China for raising concerns about the origins of Covid. Recently China entered into an economic deal with the government of the Solomon Islands which has implications for the future. Look up stories on the Solomon Islands and what China is doing there. Japan also has issues with the behaviour of China. There are many other issues between Australia and China that I won’t go into here but they all involve interference inside Australian itself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/11/solomon-islands-china-australia-pacific/
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/06/30/they-dont-understand-fear-we-have/how-chinas-long-reach-repression-undermines

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

The big ruckus about the Solomon’s is revealing.
So, the Chinese are throwing around cash in a region that’s strategically vital for US, enlisting a leader with “ambivalence toward democracy” and paving the way for a military base and security alliance?

Remember Ukraine? The country which is far more strategically vital for Russia than Solomon’s is for US? Where Russia is being lectured about countries right to take their own decision, such as joining a hostile alliance?

The Western bloc has no standards. Only double standards.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Am I right in thinking that you mean the Solomons are merely looking after their own interests?

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

No, I mean the Chinese are tapping anti Australian sentiment and using Chinese cash to get the Solomon’s to join their side, even though it would be very detrimental for Solomon’s to do so in the long run and would inevitably end up in them becoming a pawn in the middle of two powerful sides and being chewed up in the process.

Sounds familiar?

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Yes, I agree.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

The difference is that when you are on the Chinese side you are controlled by Beijing. On the American side you are free to do as you please – often relying on American money and defense. China will simply extend its authoritarian rule to more places. What would you prefer a totalitarian Communist state or freedom?

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

True.
Its a weird dichotomy of the West – a shining light in terms of human rights and freedoms, but when it comes to dealing with other countries especially in certain regions they are weirdly hypocritical and nasty.

And sadly, it seems increasingly likely China will win, simply because the West have gotten too soft and distraced, and it will be a disaster as it would mean most of the world adopting the Chinese way of life.
I guess we should be grateful at least the free world beat the N*zis and Commies. Pity if we lost the next one. Gives you a King Harold sort of feeling…

Quo Peregrinatur
Quo Peregrinatur
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

I don’t think the Chinese will “win” anything. Despite the thrust of this article, one needs to look at the bigger picture. The countries mentioned are client states of the Global American Empire (the GAE, if you like), and ideologically in line with the US State Department’s political vision. They will not tolerate China’s ideological platforms, which remain socially conservative and deeply skeptical of the notion of political rights.

Quo Peregrinatur
Quo Peregrinatur
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

I don’t think the Chinese will “win” anything. Despite the thrust of this article, one needs to look at the bigger picture. The countries mentioned are client states of the Global American Empire (the GAE, if you like), and ideologically in line with the US State Department’s political vision. They will not tolerate China’s ideological platforms, which remain socially conservative and deeply skeptical of the notion of political rights.

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Free to do as you please under the rules-based international order? Rule No.1 .. the US makes the rules……..as Ukraine is finding out to its cost.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Rubbish. Shame on you. Russia invaded a sovereign nation and got a bloody nose and is now conducting a bombing campaign against civilians and their infrastructure.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Ukraine is “finding out to its cost” that the U.S. makes the rules? Maybe on planet Zog. But here on planet Earth, what Ukraine is finding out to its cost is that it shouldn’t have given up its nukes for a treaty that Russia ignored, And all of the costs it bears have come from the Russian invasion, not the U.S., or did you conveniently forget that wee part.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Rubbish. Shame on you. Russia invaded a sovereign nation and got a bloody nose and is now conducting a bombing campaign against civilians and their infrastructure.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Rocky Martiano

Ukraine is “finding out to its cost” that the U.S. makes the rules? Maybe on planet Zog. But here on planet Earth, what Ukraine is finding out to its cost is that it shouldn’t have given up its nukes for a treaty that Russia ignored, And all of the costs it bears have come from the Russian invasion, not the U.S., or did you conveniently forget that wee part.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Try telling that to the Central American countries which were brutalised as a result of US paranoia in the 80’s. I don’t mean that there is a moral equivalence between US and China, just that America has form for interference.

P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Freedom in the West? Don’t make me throw up.
Totalitarian thuggery over a mild flu for two and a half years. Every basic ‘inalienable’ human right thrashed. Every aspect of the Hippocratic Oath trashed.
And then we come to the thought police of wokedom.

Excuse me while I dash to the bathroom!

Last edited 1 year ago by P Branagan
Rhonda Culwell
Rhonda Culwell
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking.

Richard B
Richard B
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Where do you think the totalitarian thuggery came from? When tedros praised his communist masters in china suddenly the whole world emulated their policies. It seems you didn’t enjoy a real taste of communist culture and you choose to blame the big bad American wolf instead.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Because the West copied China in locking down. China showed manufactured pictures of people collapsing ( supposedly from Covid) in the streets. WHO took its shilling from China, praising China’s approach and telling the rest of the World to simulate their lock downs.
Trump first opposed them, but was then put under pressure by that charlatan and shady Fauci..

Rhonda Culwell
Rhonda Culwell
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking.

Richard B
Richard B
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Where do you think the totalitarian thuggery came from? When tedros praised his communist masters in china suddenly the whole world emulated their policies. It seems you didn’t enjoy a real taste of communist culture and you choose to blame the big bad American wolf instead.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Because the West copied China in locking down. China showed manufactured pictures of people collapsing ( supposedly from Covid) in the streets. WHO took its shilling from China, praising China’s approach and telling the rest of the World to simulate their lock downs.
Trump first opposed them, but was then put under pressure by that charlatan and shady Fauci..

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

True.
Its a weird dichotomy of the West – a shining light in terms of human rights and freedoms, but when it comes to dealing with other countries especially in certain regions they are weirdly hypocritical and nasty.

And sadly, it seems increasingly likely China will win, simply because the West have gotten too soft and distraced, and it will be a disaster as it would mean most of the world adopting the Chinese way of life.
I guess we should be grateful at least the free world beat the N*zis and Commies. Pity if we lost the next one. Gives you a King Harold sort of feeling…

Rocky Martiano
Rocky Martiano
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Free to do as you please under the rules-based international order? Rule No.1 .. the US makes the rules……..as Ukraine is finding out to its cost.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Try telling that to the Central American countries which were brutalised as a result of US paranoia in the 80’s. I don’t mean that there is a moral equivalence between US and China, just that America has form for interference.

P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Freedom in the West? Don’t make me throw up.
Totalitarian thuggery over a mild flu for two and a half years. Every basic ‘inalienable’ human right thrashed. Every aspect of the Hippocratic Oath trashed.
And then we come to the thought police of wokedom.

Excuse me while I dash to the bathroom!

Last edited 1 year ago by P Branagan
Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Yes, I agree.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

The difference is that when you are on the Chinese side you are controlled by Beijing. On the American side you are free to do as you please – often relying on American money and defense. China will simply extend its authoritarian rule to more places. What would you prefer a totalitarian Communist state or freedom?

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

No, I mean the Chinese are tapping anti Australian sentiment and using Chinese cash to get the Solomon’s to join their side, even though it would be very detrimental for Solomon’s to do so in the long run and would inevitably end up in them becoming a pawn in the middle of two powerful sides and being chewed up in the process.

Sounds familiar?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

The western bloc hasn’t invaded the Solomon Islands, murdered its civilians and reduced its buildings to rubble as punishment for its pivot towards China, so your whataboutery is nonsense.
Australia and NZ have reminded the Solomons that it has been very reliant on aid from those countries in the past, something that wouldn’t continue if it aligns itself with the CCP, and the other Pacific nations have expressed their concern about militarisation of the region, but none of those countries has threatened war to subjugate the Solomon’s.

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Australia placed troops in the Solomons in 2003, 2006 until 2017 and again in 2021. At the governments request of course. If it’s free to request assistance from Canberra it should be free to request assistance from Beijing.
Far from becoming a “pawn in the game” dealing with multiple large players means the smaller players can get a better deal from all of them than if they only dealt with one. just like in the marketplace if you have a monopoly supplier with no competition then you get worse service at higher prices. The more players in the market, the better the market becomes, why not also in politics ?
Even by raising the possibility of a deal with Beijing, Honiora has forced Canberra and Washington to give it a better deal.
Smart move.

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Jake Dee

The current agreement with Beijing allows for China to send police/troops to the Solomons if Chinese interests are at risk, even without the Solomons government requesting assistance. It’s been one of the main criticisms of the deal, the amount of power it hands to the CCP

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

So that would be an agreement between Beijing and Honiara that allows Beijing to do things that Honiara doesn’t agree to. It’s an inherent contradiction which couldn’t exist in the real world. I think you are hallucinating and swallowing disinformation without chewing first. here is a link to a Guardian article, I don’t agree with that publication’s general political stance but they can’t be accused of being pro Beijing. They included documents purporting to be the daft of the agreement and make no mention of any such powers as you claim.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/the-deal-that-shocked-the-world-inside-the-china-solomons-security-pact

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

So that would be an agreement between Beijing and Honiara that allows Beijing to do things that Honiara doesn’t agree to. It’s an inherent contradiction which couldn’t exist in the real world. I think you are hallucinating and swallowing disinformation without chewing first. here is a link to a Guardian article, I don’t agree with that publication’s general political stance but they can’t be accused of being pro Beijing. They included documents purporting to be the daft of the agreement and make no mention of any such powers as you claim.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/20/the-deal-that-shocked-the-world-inside-the-china-solomons-security-pact

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Jake Dee

The current agreement with Beijing allows for China to send police/troops to the Solomons if Chinese interests are at risk, even without the Solomons government requesting assistance. It’s been one of the main criticisms of the deal, the amount of power it hands to the CCP

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

Australia placed troops in the Solomons in 2003, 2006 until 2017 and again in 2021. At the governments request of course. If it’s free to request assistance from Canberra it should be free to request assistance from Beijing.
Far from becoming a “pawn in the game” dealing with multiple large players means the smaller players can get a better deal from all of them than if they only dealt with one. just like in the marketplace if you have a monopoly supplier with no competition then you get worse service at higher prices. The more players in the market, the better the market becomes, why not also in politics ?
Even by raising the possibility of a deal with Beijing, Honiora has forced Canberra and Washington to give it a better deal.
Smart move.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Until “the west” actually invades the Solomon’s you should STFU.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  harry storm

You exaggerate his comments. He was making the point that they are at risk of “becoming a pawn in the middle of two powerful sides and being chewed up in the process.”

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 year ago
Reply to  harry storm

The Solomon’s what? You lot confuse me.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

The Solomon Islands 🙂

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Elizabeth

The Solomon Islands 🙂

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  harry storm

You exaggerate his comments. He was making the point that they are at risk of “becoming a pawn in the middle of two powerful sides and being chewed up in the process.”

Elizabeth
Elizabeth
1 year ago
Reply to  harry storm

The Solomon’s what? You lot confuse me.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Am I right in thinking that you mean the Solomons are merely looking after their own interests?

Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

The western bloc hasn’t invaded the Solomon Islands, murdered its civilians and reduced its buildings to rubble as punishment for its pivot towards China, so your whataboutery is nonsense.
Australia and NZ have reminded the Solomons that it has been very reliant on aid from those countries in the past, something that wouldn’t continue if it aligns itself with the CCP, and the other Pacific nations have expressed their concern about militarisation of the region, but none of those countries has threatened war to subjugate the Solomon’s.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Samir Iker

Until “the west” actually invades the Solomon’s you should STFU.

Kenji Fuse
Kenji Fuse
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

The point of this article is really that it no longer matters that the US (and its citizens) are critical of Chinese policy.
The point is that this newly-emerging World Order can do what it likes, despite the protestations of the US.
Couple this with the fact that BRICS countries have a keen memory for the past 200 years of American global atrocities and economic arrogance, and we can expect to endure increasingly cold winters over the next decade.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Kenji Fuse

Your point has nothing to do with what I said. My comment was in relation to China’s behaviour towards the rest of the world, more specifically the Solomons and Australia.

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Kenji Fuse

Well put, I feel that’s the point that many have missed.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Kenji Fuse

Your point has nothing to do with what I said. My comment was in relation to China’s behaviour towards the rest of the world, more specifically the Solomons and Australia.

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Kenji Fuse

Well put, I feel that’s the point that many have missed.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

The big ruckus about the Solomon’s is revealing.
So, the Chinese are throwing around cash in a region that’s strategically vital for US, enlisting a leader with “ambivalence toward democracy” and paving the way for a military base and security alliance?

Remember Ukraine? The country which is far more strategically vital for Russia than Solomon’s is for US? Where Russia is being lectured about countries right to take their own decision, such as joining a hostile alliance?

The Western bloc has no standards. Only double standards.

Kenji Fuse
Kenji Fuse
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

The point of this article is really that it no longer matters that the US (and its citizens) are critical of Chinese policy.
The point is that this newly-emerging World Order can do what it likes, despite the protestations of the US.
Couple this with the fact that BRICS countries have a keen memory for the past 200 years of American global atrocities and economic arrogance, and we can expect to endure increasingly cold winters over the next decade.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

“ …it’s about acknowledgingthat a peaceful world order rests on our ability, as Westerners, to tolerate different national cultures, institutional arrangements and practices, even if we find them disagreeable.”
Tolerating different national cultures is fine, if everyone does it. But China is not one of those governments. This article focuses largely on Europe. But Australia has come under a lot of pressure and pushback from China for raising concerns about the origins of Covid. Recently China entered into an economic deal with the government of the Solomon Islands which has implications for the future. Look up stories on the Solomon Islands and what China is doing there. Japan also has issues with the behaviour of China. There are many other issues between Australia and China that I won’t go into here but they all involve interference inside Australian itself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/08/11/solomon-islands-china-australia-pacific/
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/06/30/they-dont-understand-fear-we-have/how-chinas-long-reach-repression-undermines

Last edited 1 year ago by Brett H
Gary Baxter
Gary Baxter
1 year ago

“Why is America provoking China?” This question is as good as “When did you stop beating your wife?” The author takes side in the Sino-US conflicts. He should do more research, at least read such books as “The Hundred-Year Marathon” by Pillsbury and “Hidden Hands” by Hamilton.

Last edited 1 year ago by Gary Baxter
P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Gary Baxter

Only the genuinely bewildered or the deliberately ignorant could uptick this comment.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

And of course you are neither. So we’ll just have to take your pronouncements regarding our bewilderment and/or ignorance for what they’re worth: nada.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

And of course you are neither. So we’ll just have to take your pronouncements regarding our bewilderment and/or ignorance for what they’re worth: nada.

P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Gary Baxter

Only the genuinely bewildered or the deliberately ignorant could uptick this comment.

Gary Baxter
Gary Baxter
1 year ago

“Why is America provoking China?” This question is as good as “When did you stop beating your wife?” The author takes side in the Sino-US conflicts. He should do more research, at least read such books as “The Hundred-Year Marathon” by Pillsbury and “Hidden Hands” by Hamilton.

Last edited 1 year ago by Gary Baxter
Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

The writer is a Chinese patsy masquerading as a journalist. The purported ethical equivalence between China, an autocracy, and the US, a democracy, is invidious.  As with the Putin fan-boys (from right and left), the West is full of these muppet pundits who flutter their eyelids at foreign sociopaths. Their mealy-mouthed utterances are close to treason.   

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Precisely!
Not that long ago they would have been eviscerated at Tyburn as they jolly well deserved.
Weren’t Burgess, Maclean & Co enough? Or have we forgotten so soon?

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

The US is a representative republic, not a democracy.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Has there ever been anything approaching a true democracy since fifth century BC Athens?
Certainly NOT our good selves!

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago

wot about the many slaves in Athens tho….

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  chris sullivan

A necessary evil.
Today we have ‘immigrants’.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  chris sullivan

A necessary evil.
Today we have ‘immigrants’.

chris sullivan
chris sullivan
1 year ago

wot about the many slaves in Athens tho….

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago

I find that comment interesting. I have always wondered about the US system where the President makes decisions without reference or say-so of the two elected houses.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

The President can make decisions (Excecutive orders) , which the next President can revoke. Only if they are signed by the houses will those “decision” become law.

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

The President can make decisions (Excecutive orders) , which the next President can revoke. Only if they are signed by the houses will those “decision” become law.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Has there ever been anything approaching a true democracy since fifth century BC Athens?
Certainly NOT our good selves!

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago

I find that comment interesting. I have always wondered about the US system where the President makes decisions without reference or say-so of the two elected houses.

Rolf Wasén
Rolf Wasén
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

”Dictator Envy”?
https://youtu.be/F5OwxdIjDH0

P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Same old warmongering nasties giving up ticks.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Hark! Do I hear a chippy little Paddy?

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Same old totalitarian backers and appeasers who don’t.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Hark! Do I hear a chippy little Paddy?

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Same old totalitarian backers and appeasers who don’t.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

couldn’t agree more.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

No he is not a Chinese patsy, or a traitor, he is a cracking journalist. I’ve asked Father Christmas for his book! Wasted on you, obviously.
America need to wind their necks in on this one, we have enough disruption and inflation from the shenanagins with Ukraine thank you, great idea with the sanctions guys, thanks, we’ve had to deal with two customers in pieces this week because of their electric bills, one a pub that will now be closing, another a house that the people will have to sell. One billed £7000 for a quarter, house has prospective annual bill next year for £11000. Yes it’s that bad. We have heard a major German manufacturer (Hager) we use can’t get hold of ANY copper, they’ve shut their production line down. Wholesalers are flapping. I am flapping. We really don’t need a war with China. I would rather not live through ww3 thanks, its going to be hard enough coping with the fallout from Ukraine. That is why war is not a good idea. This part Mr Fazi: ‘. The real threat, then, is not to America but to America’s hegemonic unipolarist ambitions and those who benefit from it. Recognising this is not about being “anti-China” or “pro-China” — it’s about acknowledging that a peaceful world order rests on our ability, as Westerners, to accept a more equitable distribution of global resources, and to tolerate different national cultures, institutional arrangements and practices, even if we find them disagreeable.’
Couldn’t agree more. Maybe we could have a sensible dialogue? That doesn’t involve America piping it’s free world superior to everyone else nonsense? Where it accepts it can’t always be the one with biggest stick, yes we need to protect Western interests but China are not coming to invade the west, they are pis*ed because America keeps messing around in Taiwan. America keeps fu**ing up everyone’s currency with its endless rounds of QE, it has abused its dollar hegemony and been extraordinarily irresponsible with it. Maybe they could just back the f*** off a bit, not parachute in pelosi or start an enormous trade war? Wait its too late for that. Looks like the Americans can’t even manage a dialogue though, anyone see Xi dressing Trudeau down at the G20? Points for that on its own.
Remember actually it was the UN that walked out on Sergy Lavrov, if the UN won’t fulfil its diplomatic function its about time we got rid of it.
This part:
But it does show that it’s not China that is becoming increasingly isolated from the world — but the United States. The latter would do well to accept that the days of American unipolarity are over, and its attempts to drag the world into a war with China will only accelerate its decline.
Yes to all those things. Good on the German chancellor, I personally was very relieved he went, if Sunak genuinely abandons plans to declare China a “threat” to national security, I would vote for him. I don’t say that lightly. I see no reason at all why the UK should get involved with Taiwan, I don’t trust the Americans anymore I’m afraid, Afghanistan was disgraceful, you were going to put us at the ‘back of the queue’ for a trade deal if we voted Brexit, biden interfering in the Northern Ireland business, bush and his WMDs that didn’t exist, the 2008 crash was an American banking crisis that tanked everyone else because of their irresponsible behaviour, Hillary Clinton is the vilest creature on this planet, American parts are in the Iranian drones they are bombing ukraine with right now, but apparently they haven’t a clue how Iran is coming by its tech, great, sounds like security is TIGHT, so America is apparently making the stuff to bomb the shit out of country it is ‘saving’ quote:

But Ukrainian intelligence assesses that the Iranian combat drone contains components from nearly three dozen different technology companies based in North America, the EU, Japan, and Taiwan, the Schemes investigation has found. A majority of these companies are based in the United States.

A Schemes reporter who personally inspected the foreign-made drone parts identified components produced by at least 15 of these manufacturers.

These include parts made by the U.S. technology firm Texas Instruments, which said in a statement that it does not sell into Russia or Iran and complies with applicable laws and regulations.
Source:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/US-Tech-Is-Being-Used-In-Irans-Controversial-Drones.amp.html
I say we leave China and Taiwan to resolve their issues, if Taiwan want Americas help fine, but I hope we in the UK aren’t stupid enough to get involved. We have dealt with china for years, we have been happy to have our living standards raised by access to their cheap goods, I don’t se what has changed, apart from Americas narrative.

Last edited 1 year ago by B Emery
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Miss Emery may I recommend another Christmas stocking book for you?
It is ‘Rome, Strategy of Empire’ by Dr James Lacey. It explains how Ancient Rome, the paramount World Power conducted itself from the Battle of Actium (31 BC) to the collapse of the Western Empire in 476 AD.
There are quite a few parallels here with the US, and it is almost inevitable there will be major war between the US and China, if only for the very simple reason BOTH want one!
I worry about how I shall heat up my Ovaltine and feed the horses, but perhaps I won’t live to see it.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Well I suppose if it got really bad the Ovaltine would be a luxury, but you could eat the horses!
We’ll be fine, we’re British 🙂 we’ve already been blitzed and come out fighting before.
I will look up the book, thanks, I understand that America and China have been gearing up for this, I just wish the Americans didn’t have to ram their hypocritical shit down our throats while they’re at it, trying to make out it will be good for us here, or that they are saving us in some way. They are trying to save themselves after a series of serious f*** ups more like. They will do that at whatever cost to the rest of us, that’s the part I’m worried about. And it’s not like they don’t currently try dictating to other countries, the back of the queue for a trade deal did me, after following them into Iraq and everything? They can b****r off with the sanctimonious narrative. Americans are funding stuff causing carnage in this country like just stop oil. Accusing fazi of working for China is down right ridiculous.
I would ask you not to encourage them Mr Stanhope, they are obviously riled up enough already 🙂

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

I used to eat horse quite regularly in Germany and France years ago. Not bad really but a bit stringy!

I hear what you say about the US and completely agree. The day that idiot Tony Blair joined in on the scandalous invasion of Iraq, was without doubt the most humiliating event of my lifetime! Even exceeding the Suez fiasco by quite a long way. ‘

We’ hanged people at Nuremberg on the charge of “waging aggressive war” and that is precisely what should have happened to Blair, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and numerous other verminous cretins, too numerous to name.

However with China it is the case of choosing between two evils, and on that basis, ‘Imperium’ wielded by the wretched US is preferable.

You must be aware of how Mao and the CCP behaved during the appalling “Great Leap Forward “ 1958-62? The people were reduced to cannibalism, ( baby girls, smoked like kippers, being the delicacy of choice as I recall). Frankly Moa made Stalin and Adolph look like rank amateurs when it came to ‘slaughter of the innocent’.

They are too many like Mr Fazi who take a benign view of China because they are ignorant of the facts, even in this day and age when research is so simple.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

I’ve never tried horse myself, I understand the French love it though.
I understand, I guess I’m trying to say America have not become what they claim to represent, them dictating to us over brexit would be the same as the Chinese trying to dictate to us we should vote to adopt communism. Not exactly upholding the spirit of democracy. Not sure they’re a country at this point, we should be looking to for anything, any more than China. Apart from a lesson in how not to do stuff.
I understand China have a brutal history, if this was such a problem though we probably shouldn’t have dealt with them in the first place. You know, sent them all the dollars to build their arms industries etc. Now I’m too young to have anything to do with all that, so for America to now turn round and say actually guys we’ve decided the Chinese are communist nutters, we’re having nothing to do with them, sorry, stop all the container ships! Is a bit rich, I see there’s all kinds of awful stuff going on in the apple factory there today, so America, put your money where your mouth is, you don’t like China? Pull your own companies out first. Walmart, addidas, KFC, mcdonalds, Starbucks, Intel etc. etc. I think the Americans approach to this is bordering on appalling, considering they’re own multinationals have got rich off China and are operating there no problem, they can’t have it both ways. We will always have conflicting interests at play, I don’t like the way the Chinese government carry on, but I don’t like the way the Americans carry on either. I think there is a good cause for remaining very cautious of Chinese influences in this country, (got the book Hidden hand, I know the Chinese are just as dodgy as the Americans) but an equal cause for resisting the encroachment of American politics, and influences here too, Blair is a good example of what happens when our government gets stars in its eyes. That wasn’t a democratic decision either, didn’t blair have to use some old act of parliament to get it through? I can’t believe that man was middle East peace envoy, he should have been tried for war crimes, especially after Dr Kelly, that absolutely stunk.
Now the Chinese haven’t parked their war ships in our sea, we are parking ours in theirs. I think this is a very bad idea, I’m not really sure what cause we are fighting for except to tell china actually it’s government system is no good and they should make it like America, sorry guys, thanks for the stuff but we’ve decided your murderous communists? Why should they put up with it? If they were parked off the British coast we would be gunning for them, if the Chinese aren’t happy with their government they will topple it, that’s up to them, not us.
I don’t know Mr Stanhope, I understand when the British empire collapsed we were just lucky that American values aligned closely with our own, I think we have passed that time and America itself doesn’t know what it stands for anymore, I hope they know what they’re doing. I have to say I’m not confident they do.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

I’ve never tried horse myself, I understand the French love it though.
I understand, I guess I’m trying to say America have not become what they claim to represent, them dictating to us over brexit would be the same as the Chinese trying to dictate to us we should vote to adopt communism. Not exactly upholding the spirit of democracy. Not sure they’re a country at this point, we should be looking to for anything, any more than China. Apart from a lesson in how not to do stuff.
I understand China have a brutal history, if this was such a problem though we probably shouldn’t have dealt with them in the first place. You know, sent them all the dollars to build their arms industries etc. Now I’m too young to have anything to do with all that, so for America to now turn round and say actually guys we’ve decided the Chinese are communist nutters, we’re having nothing to do with them, sorry, stop all the container ships! Is a bit rich, I see there’s all kinds of awful stuff going on in the apple factory there today, so America, put your money where your mouth is, you don’t like China? Pull your own companies out first. Walmart, addidas, KFC, mcdonalds, Starbucks, Intel etc. etc. I think the Americans approach to this is bordering on appalling, considering they’re own multinationals have got rich off China and are operating there no problem, they can’t have it both ways. We will always have conflicting interests at play, I don’t like the way the Chinese government carry on, but I don’t like the way the Americans carry on either. I think there is a good cause for remaining very cautious of Chinese influences in this country, (got the book Hidden hand, I know the Chinese are just as dodgy as the Americans) but an equal cause for resisting the encroachment of American politics, and influences here too, Blair is a good example of what happens when our government gets stars in its eyes. That wasn’t a democratic decision either, didn’t blair have to use some old act of parliament to get it through? I can’t believe that man was middle East peace envoy, he should have been tried for war crimes, especially after Dr Kelly, that absolutely stunk.
Now the Chinese haven’t parked their war ships in our sea, we are parking ours in theirs. I think this is a very bad idea, I’m not really sure what cause we are fighting for except to tell china actually it’s government system is no good and they should make it like America, sorry guys, thanks for the stuff but we’ve decided your murderous communists? Why should they put up with it? If they were parked off the British coast we would be gunning for them, if the Chinese aren’t happy with their government they will topple it, that’s up to them, not us.
I don’t know Mr Stanhope, I understand when the British empire collapsed we were just lucky that American values aligned closely with our own, I think we have passed that time and America itself doesn’t know what it stands for anymore, I hope they know what they’re doing. I have to say I’m not confident they do.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

I used to eat horse quite regularly in Germany and France years ago. Not bad really but a bit stringy!

I hear what you say about the US and completely agree. The day that idiot Tony Blair joined in on the scandalous invasion of Iraq, was without doubt the most humiliating event of my lifetime! Even exceeding the Suez fiasco by quite a long way. ‘

We’ hanged people at Nuremberg on the charge of “waging aggressive war” and that is precisely what should have happened to Blair, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and numerous other verminous cretins, too numerous to name.

However with China it is the case of choosing between two evils, and on that basis, ‘Imperium’ wielded by the wretched US is preferable.

You must be aware of how Mao and the CCP behaved during the appalling “Great Leap Forward “ 1958-62? The people were reduced to cannibalism, ( baby girls, smoked like kippers, being the delicacy of choice as I recall). Frankly Moa made Stalin and Adolph look like rank amateurs when it came to ‘slaughter of the innocent’.

They are too many like Mr Fazi who take a benign view of China because they are ignorant of the facts, even in this day and age when research is so simple.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Well I suppose if it got really bad the Ovaltine would be a luxury, but you could eat the horses!
We’ll be fine, we’re British 🙂 we’ve already been blitzed and come out fighting before.
I will look up the book, thanks, I understand that America and China have been gearing up for this, I just wish the Americans didn’t have to ram their hypocritical shit down our throats while they’re at it, trying to make out it will be good for us here, or that they are saving us in some way. They are trying to save themselves after a series of serious f*** ups more like. They will do that at whatever cost to the rest of us, that’s the part I’m worried about. And it’s not like they don’t currently try dictating to other countries, the back of the queue for a trade deal did me, after following them into Iraq and everything? They can b****r off with the sanctimonious narrative. Americans are funding stuff causing carnage in this country like just stop oil. Accusing fazi of working for China is down right ridiculous.
I would ask you not to encourage them Mr Stanhope, they are obviously riled up enough already 🙂

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Miss Emery may I recommend another Christmas stocking book for you?
It is ‘Rome, Strategy of Empire’ by Dr James Lacey. It explains how Ancient Rome, the paramount World Power conducted itself from the Battle of Actium (31 BC) to the collapse of the Western Empire in 476 AD.
There are quite a few parallels here with the US, and it is almost inevitable there will be major war between the US and China, if only for the very simple reason BOTH want one!
I worry about how I shall heat up my Ovaltine and feed the horses, but perhaps I won’t live to see it.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Perhaps he should be shot? Or sent to a re-education camp, though that would be soft. Eviscerated, perhaps, as Charles suggests. Isn’t it lucky we’re not just morally superior to our Hun-like enemies, but so resolute? Our forefathers fought to make the world safe for democracy, and now people like Thomas just go around saying whatever they like. As Laurence posts, anyone expressing a contrarian view must be a foreign spy, like Burgess, Maclean & co as Charles points out, or in case he needs reminding, Kim Philby. So comfortable to be right back where we should be, in the Cold War, pre-1991. Home again, at last!

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

‘Isn’t it lucky we’re not just morally superior to our Hun-like enemies, but so resolute?’ – Brilliant.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

As a totally supine Client State we shall DO whatever our Imperial master the US commands.
It was ever thus.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

It’s about time to shake off our imperial overlords and make our own way, we are Great Britain, we don’t need them, we were doing pretty well for a tiny island with crap weather all on our own for ages thank you very much 🙂

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

The problem is they WON both World Wars for us, but the cost was enormous in more ways than one!

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Weak at best and it pains my heart to hear it. The Americans won the world wars. Groan. Feel those European and British and Russian soldiers turning in their graves. The Russians played an enormous part in winning WW2, its convienant to gloss over that at the moment though, pretty sure the Red army were the first to Berlin. So should we, on that basis, enthrall ourselves to them also?
(Sorry Americans, when I use that sweeping term I mean your government, your wars, your banks, your media, your fucked up media and celebrities, your Clinton’s and bushes, collectively, as a nation, had enough of you. I know there’s nice normal American people out there, individually I’m sure you’re very nice, and I’d be happy to trade with you, but I don’t want your foreign policy, or dodgy banks or multinational silicon Valley companies with your billionaire ‘philanthropists’, or your oil wars, or opium wars, or your big pharma, or your CIA, your exported political movements and narratives especially.
Thank you. I’m good.)
We need to move on, before America implodes itself with its crazy politics. Leave them and China to it, do our own thing, new trade deals, dial back our own hypocrisy a bit too and calm the f**k down.
Mr Stanhope, I expect better sport next time.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Well Miss Emery, and it may come as a shock but during the ‘Great War’ by the Autumn 1916 in fact, we were on the cusp of bankruptcy. An incredible fact considering that in 1914 we had been the greatest creditor nation on earth since Ancient Rome.

However thanks to having to ‘bail out’ our feeble fiscal allies, the French, Russians, Italians and Greeks, we had to send former Prime Minister Lord Balfour to New York to grovel at the feet of the Money Lenders/Bankers of Wall St, namely Mr Paul Warburg, JP Morgan and others. Besides the controversial Balfour Declaration, Warburg & the others agreed to keep funding us and even decided to join in the war (April 1917) if only to PROTECT their investment. After all if ‘we’ lost the Kaiser was hardly going to pay our bills was he?

So in 1918 despite a ‘butchers bill’ of about 750,000 UK dead, all we had really achieved was Pyrrhic victory.
President Hoover very kindly allowed us to cease our debt repayments in 1934, to help with the Depression!

Come ‘round two’ (1939-45) as you correctly say the Russian commitment was enormous, perhaps 20 million dead. Thus in short WWII was won by a cocktail of Russian blood and American gold.

However we had been reduced to an irrelevant pygmy. Empire gone, World Power status gone, massive debts to the US (yet again). In fact we had reduced been to the status of an American Helot.

Now all this is very depressing but we in fact had taught the US how to behave. After the US Civill War (1861-65) for example when ‘they’ were desperate for cash and investment it was good old Great Britain that stepped in with companies like Foreign & Colonial hoovering up US assets as fast they could go! (All of course to be compulsorily sold under the 1940 US Neutrality Act!)

So I can understand you antipathy towards the US, and we may have “shackled ourselves to a corpse”, but with Brexit now done what alternative is there?

Surely you don’t think the CCP and China could be our salvation? Remember we gave them a good kicking in the 19th century, Two Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion, plus the so-called unequal Treaties. Do you think they have forgotten?

I attach a clip to show how we used to laugh about this nonsense back in the early 60’s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

The clip is absolutely brilliant, love that the guy riding the bomb has an all American cowboy hat, I feel maybe you could make the same clip today but with Pelosi and Taiwan 🙂
‘In fact we had been reduced to the status of an American Helot.
Now all this is very depressing…..’
‘So I can understand you antipathy towards the US, and we may have “shackled ourselves to a corpse”,’
That gave me a laugh, depressing indeed, the corpse shackling is my main worry. Everything going on at the moment seems to have an inevitable feeling about it, I think we may be going to war with China and Russia sometime soon, I can’t help but feel we’re just getting geared up for it, America seems to be raring to go, it seems they have found something to unite themselves over at last I suppose, and there’s little anyone will be able to do about it because it was never going to be decided by ‘the people’ anyway.
Fully appreciate your reply, I know as part of NATO we are shackled to America anyway, I think they deserve a hard time though.
I don’t know why but the banking discussion and such made me think of this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNlYBNTCBG8

Last edited 1 year ago by B Emery
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Excellent clip, thank you!
O to be a Chartered Accountant!
Otherwise I am very pessimistic and my post of today on the how UK becoming a US Colony says it all, sadly.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

I left you another one on the what’s happened to our prime ministers thread.
I feel like we helped write that US colony article! 🙂

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Thanks.
Off course it was so funny because it was/is so close to the truth!
So much for PPE.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Thanks.
Off course it was so funny because it was/is so close to the truth!
So much for PPE.

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

I left you another one on the what’s happened to our prime ministers thread.
I feel like we helped write that US colony article! 🙂

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Excellent clip, thank you!
O to be a Chartered Accountant!
Otherwise I am very pessimistic and my post of today on the how UK becoming a US Colony says it all, sadly.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

The clip is absolutely brilliant, love that the guy riding the bomb has an all American cowboy hat, I feel maybe you could make the same clip today but with Pelosi and Taiwan 🙂
‘In fact we had been reduced to the status of an American Helot.
Now all this is very depressing…..’
‘So I can understand you antipathy towards the US, and we may have “shackled ourselves to a corpse”,’
That gave me a laugh, depressing indeed, the corpse shackling is my main worry. Everything going on at the moment seems to have an inevitable feeling about it, I think we may be going to war with China and Russia sometime soon, I can’t help but feel we’re just getting geared up for it, America seems to be raring to go, it seems they have found something to unite themselves over at last I suppose, and there’s little anyone will be able to do about it because it was never going to be decided by ‘the people’ anyway.
Fully appreciate your reply, I know as part of NATO we are shackled to America anyway, I think they deserve a hard time though.
I don’t know why but the banking discussion and such made me think of this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNlYBNTCBG8

Last edited 1 year ago by B Emery
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

Well Miss Emery, and it may come as a shock but during the ‘Great War’ by the Autumn 1916 in fact, we were on the cusp of bankruptcy. An incredible fact considering that in 1914 we had been the greatest creditor nation on earth since Ancient Rome.

However thanks to having to ‘bail out’ our feeble fiscal allies, the French, Russians, Italians and Greeks, we had to send former Prime Minister Lord Balfour to New York to grovel at the feet of the Money Lenders/Bankers of Wall St, namely Mr Paul Warburg, JP Morgan and others. Besides the controversial Balfour Declaration, Warburg & the others agreed to keep funding us and even decided to join in the war (April 1917) if only to PROTECT their investment. After all if ‘we’ lost the Kaiser was hardly going to pay our bills was he?

So in 1918 despite a ‘butchers bill’ of about 750,000 UK dead, all we had really achieved was Pyrrhic victory.
President Hoover very kindly allowed us to cease our debt repayments in 1934, to help with the Depression!

Come ‘round two’ (1939-45) as you correctly say the Russian commitment was enormous, perhaps 20 million dead. Thus in short WWII was won by a cocktail of Russian blood and American gold.

However we had been reduced to an irrelevant pygmy. Empire gone, World Power status gone, massive debts to the US (yet again). In fact we had reduced been to the status of an American Helot.

Now all this is very depressing but we in fact had taught the US how to behave. After the US Civill War (1861-65) for example when ‘they’ were desperate for cash and investment it was good old Great Britain that stepped in with companies like Foreign & Colonial hoovering up US assets as fast they could go! (All of course to be compulsorily sold under the 1940 US Neutrality Act!)

So I can understand you antipathy towards the US, and we may have “shackled ourselves to a corpse”, but with Brexit now done what alternative is there?

Surely you don’t think the CCP and China could be our salvation? Remember we gave them a good kicking in the 19th century, Two Opium Wars and the Boxer Rebellion, plus the so-called unequal Treaties. Do you think they have forgotten?

I attach a clip to show how we used to laugh about this nonsense back in the early 60’s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snTaSJk0n_Y

Last edited 1 year ago by CHARLES STANHOPE
B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Weak at best and it pains my heart to hear it. The Americans won the world wars. Groan. Feel those European and British and Russian soldiers turning in their graves. The Russians played an enormous part in winning WW2, its convienant to gloss over that at the moment though, pretty sure the Red army were the first to Berlin. So should we, on that basis, enthrall ourselves to them also?
(Sorry Americans, when I use that sweeping term I mean your government, your wars, your banks, your media, your fucked up media and celebrities, your Clinton’s and bushes, collectively, as a nation, had enough of you. I know there’s nice normal American people out there, individually I’m sure you’re very nice, and I’d be happy to trade with you, but I don’t want your foreign policy, or dodgy banks or multinational silicon Valley companies with your billionaire ‘philanthropists’, or your oil wars, or opium wars, or your big pharma, or your CIA, your exported political movements and narratives especially.
Thank you. I’m good.)
We need to move on, before America implodes itself with its crazy politics. Leave them and China to it, do our own thing, new trade deals, dial back our own hypocrisy a bit too and calm the f**k down.
Mr Stanhope, I expect better sport next time.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  B Emery

The problem is they WON both World Wars for us, but the cost was enormous in more ways than one!

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

It’s about time to shake off our imperial overlords and make our own way, we are Great Britain, we don’t need them, we were doing pretty well for a tiny island with crap weather all on our own for ages thank you very much 🙂

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

‘Isn’t it lucky we’re not just morally superior to our Hun-like enemies, but so resolute?’ – Brilliant.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

As a totally supine Client State we shall DO whatever our Imperial master the US commands.
It was ever thus.

Quo Peregrinatur
Quo Peregrinatur
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

What is the meaning of “democracy” in this sentence?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Precisely!
Not that long ago they would have been eviscerated at Tyburn as they jolly well deserved.
Weren’t Burgess, Maclean & Co enough? Or have we forgotten so soon?

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

The US is a representative republic, not a democracy.

Rolf Wasén
Rolf Wasén
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

”Dictator Envy”?
https://youtu.be/F5OwxdIjDH0

P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Same old warmongering nasties giving up ticks.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

couldn’t agree more.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

No he is not a Chinese patsy, or a traitor, he is a cracking journalist. I’ve asked Father Christmas for his book! Wasted on you, obviously.
America need to wind their necks in on this one, we have enough disruption and inflation from the shenanagins with Ukraine thank you, great idea with the sanctions guys, thanks, we’ve had to deal with two customers in pieces this week because of their electric bills, one a pub that will now be closing, another a house that the people will have to sell. One billed £7000 for a quarter, house has prospective annual bill next year for £11000. Yes it’s that bad. We have heard a major German manufacturer (Hager) we use can’t get hold of ANY copper, they’ve shut their production line down. Wholesalers are flapping. I am flapping. We really don’t need a war with China. I would rather not live through ww3 thanks, its going to be hard enough coping with the fallout from Ukraine. That is why war is not a good idea. This part Mr Fazi: ‘. The real threat, then, is not to America but to America’s hegemonic unipolarist ambitions and those who benefit from it. Recognising this is not about being “anti-China” or “pro-China” — it’s about acknowledging that a peaceful world order rests on our ability, as Westerners, to accept a more equitable distribution of global resources, and to tolerate different national cultures, institutional arrangements and practices, even if we find them disagreeable.’
Couldn’t agree more. Maybe we could have a sensible dialogue? That doesn’t involve America piping it’s free world superior to everyone else nonsense? Where it accepts it can’t always be the one with biggest stick, yes we need to protect Western interests but China are not coming to invade the west, they are pis*ed because America keeps messing around in Taiwan. America keeps fu**ing up everyone’s currency with its endless rounds of QE, it has abused its dollar hegemony and been extraordinarily irresponsible with it. Maybe they could just back the f*** off a bit, not parachute in pelosi or start an enormous trade war? Wait its too late for that. Looks like the Americans can’t even manage a dialogue though, anyone see Xi dressing Trudeau down at the G20? Points for that on its own.
Remember actually it was the UN that walked out on Sergy Lavrov, if the UN won’t fulfil its diplomatic function its about time we got rid of it.
This part:
But it does show that it’s not China that is becoming increasingly isolated from the world — but the United States. The latter would do well to accept that the days of American unipolarity are over, and its attempts to drag the world into a war with China will only accelerate its decline.
Yes to all those things. Good on the German chancellor, I personally was very relieved he went, if Sunak genuinely abandons plans to declare China a “threat” to national security, I would vote for him. I don’t say that lightly. I see no reason at all why the UK should get involved with Taiwan, I don’t trust the Americans anymore I’m afraid, Afghanistan was disgraceful, you were going to put us at the ‘back of the queue’ for a trade deal if we voted Brexit, biden interfering in the Northern Ireland business, bush and his WMDs that didn’t exist, the 2008 crash was an American banking crisis that tanked everyone else because of their irresponsible behaviour, Hillary Clinton is the vilest creature on this planet, American parts are in the Iranian drones they are bombing ukraine with right now, but apparently they haven’t a clue how Iran is coming by its tech, great, sounds like security is TIGHT, so America is apparently making the stuff to bomb the shit out of country it is ‘saving’ quote:

But Ukrainian intelligence assesses that the Iranian combat drone contains components from nearly three dozen different technology companies based in North America, the EU, Japan, and Taiwan, the Schemes investigation has found. A majority of these companies are based in the United States.

A Schemes reporter who personally inspected the foreign-made drone parts identified components produced by at least 15 of these manufacturers.

These include parts made by the U.S. technology firm Texas Instruments, which said in a statement that it does not sell into Russia or Iran and complies with applicable laws and regulations.
Source:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/US-Tech-Is-Being-Used-In-Irans-Controversial-Drones.amp.html
I say we leave China and Taiwan to resolve their issues, if Taiwan want Americas help fine, but I hope we in the UK aren’t stupid enough to get involved. We have dealt with china for years, we have been happy to have our living standards raised by access to their cheap goods, I don’t se what has changed, apart from Americas narrative.

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Andrew Boughton
Andrew Boughton
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

Perhaps he should be shot? Or sent to a re-education camp, though that would be soft. Eviscerated, perhaps, as Charles suggests. Isn’t it lucky we’re not just morally superior to our Hun-like enemies, but so resolute? Our forefathers fought to make the world safe for democracy, and now people like Thomas just go around saying whatever they like. As Laurence posts, anyone expressing a contrarian view must be a foreign spy, like Burgess, Maclean & co as Charles points out, or in case he needs reminding, Kim Philby. So comfortable to be right back where we should be, in the Cold War, pre-1991. Home again, at last!

Quo Peregrinatur
Quo Peregrinatur
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

What is the meaning of “democracy” in this sentence?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

The writer is a Chinese patsy masquerading as a journalist. The purported ethical equivalence between China, an autocracy, and the US, a democracy, is invidious.  As with the Putin fan-boys (from right and left), the West is full of these muppet pundits who flutter their eyelids at foreign sociopaths. Their mealy-mouthed utterances are close to treason.   

N T
N T
1 year ago

Don’t provoke the bully who steals from their neighbors, ignores the treaties they sign, and persecutes their own.
I’ve got a better idea: just say “No.”

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  N T

How refreshing. You ARE speaking of China, are you not?

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  N T

How refreshing. You ARE speaking of China, are you not?

N T
N T
1 year ago

Don’t provoke the bully who steals from their neighbors, ignores the treaties they sign, and persecutes their own.
I’ve got a better idea: just say “No.”

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago

“Today, military, economic, and geopolitical power are built on a foundation of computer chips.” …. “Take, for instance, Biden’s focus on boosting America’s chip-making capacity. While semiconductors may be strategically important in “out-competing” China, they’re not particularly labour-intensive. Reshoring traditional manufacturing sectors would benefit US workers much more

A contradiction? First we’re told that chips are the basis for everything, then that Biden is wrong to focus on them. How much manufacturing doesn’t involve chips?

The author didn’t mention ‘wolf warrior diplomacy’ or China’s aggressive actions in the South China sea.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Indeed, as in any conflict, there are two sides, and each believes they are justified. China could have, at any point over the past ten years, stopped building military islands in the South China Sea, granted Taiwan independence, stopped their companies from stealing technology, stopped flooding world markets with cheap goods to drive competition out and create monopolies for themselves, or stopped manipulating their currency to keep their exports cheaper and domestic manufacturing non-competitive. Of course, they did none of these things, because they were pursuing their interests without regard to anyone else. They will likely continue to do so. The author seems to hold two conflicting and mutually exclusive viewpoints. First, he asserts that the unipolar moment has passed and America is in decline. He’s obviously correct. The era where the US could stand astride the world is gone. However, he also seems to believe its possible to preserve some version of peaceful globalism without a global hegemon. In this, he’s quite obviously wrong. The only thing ever preventing the world from going back to a bunch of great powers struggling for power and influence was the giant or giants that effectively prevented them from doing so. Global free trade and free flow of capital and people became a thing because America had the force to make it so. Multipolar means exactly that. There will be many powerful players working against each other both economically and militarily. China and America will eventually decouple and form their own blocs. Other blocs will also form. Globalism is dying. The US military industrial complex that backs Biden and props up establishment politicians know it. They are preparing accordingly by pushing reshoring of an important strategic resource while limiting a rival’s access to same. They are behaving as any great power in a multipolar world should, protecting their interests, their economies, their people against other hostile powers (China). Whether that’s good for the EU, or Brazil, or India, is beside the point. That’s what multipolar means after all. It means America first in America, Germany first in Germany, China first in China, and so on. The author has a hard dose of reality coming his way in the next few decades.

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Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Was “protecting their interests, their economies and their people” the reason why America invaded the SOVEREIGN STATES of Iraq, Libya and Syria? I think not! Whereas Russia and China focus on their country’s interests, economies and people”, which can be questioned but not condemned out-of-hand.

Carole Mitchell
Carole Mitchell
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

ummm, Ukraine? Uyghurs?

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Watch this to see how the UN treat Uyghurs, might want to climb down off that high horse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0018ljw
UN whistle blowers, lady that worked for the un trying to help Uyghurs, who are actually being passed by the un back to China. No shit. We aren’t helping them. Lady that blew the whistle on this had police out to her house and everything. The un went after her real nasty. As did they every other whistle blower that appears on the documentary.
Good comments Iris.

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B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago

Watch this to see how the UN treat Uyghurs, might want to climb down off that high horse.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0018ljw
UN whistle blowers, lady that worked for the un trying to help Uyghurs, who are actually being passed by the un back to China. No shit. We aren’t helping them. Lady that blew the whistle on this had police out to her house and everything. The un went after her real nasty. As did they every other whistle blower that appears on the documentary.
Good comments Iris.

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Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

Despite your obvious sarcasm, you make an excellent point. The conflicts you mention were, in the end, no more justified than Russia’s Ukraine invasion. The US, and others, are being blatantly hypocritical, but what government in the history of mankind hasn’t justified its own wars and condemned everybody else’s? Those wars were deemed, at the time, to be furthering American interests and also protecting the international order. Turns out those wars were counterproductive, but that’s hindsight. China has consistently used whatever means are at their disposal to benefit their people and interests. They were not wrong to do so, but neither is the US wrong to use all means to benefit its citizens and interests. Putting a moral spin on every international dispute and trying to separate the good guys from the bad guys is a pointless exercise. The real world is not like that. The article’s language makes it seem like the author is also making this mistake.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I know which regime I would prefer to live under. America may be gross and unwieldy but there is a semblance of democracy and of free speech , albeit circumscribed . China appears to have a polity with not much freedom to challenge its rulers and where people are expected to be compliant drones in the interests of the state.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jerome

In fairness there is no freedom to challenge its rulers.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jerome

In fairness there is no freedom to challenge its rulers.

Christopher Bingham
Christopher Bingham
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“China has consistently used whatever means are at their disposal to benefit their people and interests.”
I would clarify that the interests are not exactly the Chinese people’s, but the CCP’s.
50 million intentionally starved or executed in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, and now a million Uyghurs in concentration – er, excuse me, “job training” – camps, suggests the CCP is all about the interests of the CCP, and the live of the Chinese people are only relvant if they serve Xi.

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Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago

If you want to do a point by point comparison of the utility functions of the Chinese regime in their sphere verse the American regime in theirs, then I am very willing to do so too (although this comment section may not be the best forum).
Just be careful with your sources. try to find a detailed analysis of the casualties of the cultural revolution that includes the actual name of anyone who actually starved to death (with 50 million names it shouldn’t be too hard). And try to find an analysis of the exact situation in Xinjiang today that isn’t based on secret evidence from a Western intelligence agency.
Good luck !

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

An important distinction indeed. The CCP is all about staying in power using every Machiavellian means at their disposal. Their international pursuits mostly align with the country’s overall interests, but not always. An invasion of Taiwan, for example, would be terrible for China as a whole. It’s up to the Chinese people to overthrow their corrupt and tyrannical government.

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago

If you want to do a point by point comparison of the utility functions of the Chinese regime in their sphere verse the American regime in theirs, then I am very willing to do so too (although this comment section may not be the best forum).
Just be careful with your sources. try to find a detailed analysis of the casualties of the cultural revolution that includes the actual name of anyone who actually starved to death (with 50 million names it shouldn’t be too hard). And try to find an analysis of the exact situation in Xinjiang today that isn’t based on secret evidence from a Western intelligence agency.
Good luck !

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

An important distinction indeed. The CCP is all about staying in power using every Machiavellian means at their disposal. Their international pursuits mostly align with the country’s overall interests, but not always. An invasion of Taiwan, for example, would be terrible for China as a whole. It’s up to the Chinese people to overthrow their corrupt and tyrannical government.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

I know which regime I would prefer to live under. America may be gross and unwieldy but there is a semblance of democracy and of free speech , albeit circumscribed . China appears to have a polity with not much freedom to challenge its rulers and where people are expected to be compliant drones in the interests of the state.

Christopher Bingham
Christopher Bingham
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“China has consistently used whatever means are at their disposal to benefit their people and interests.”
I would clarify that the interests are not exactly the Chinese people’s, but the CCP’s.
50 million intentionally starved or executed in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, and now a million Uyghurs in concentration – er, excuse me, “job training” – camps, suggests the CCP is all about the interests of the CCP, and the live of the Chinese people are only relvant if they serve Xi.

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Michael Askew
Michael Askew
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

The USA did not invade Libya and Syria.

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Askew

There are uniformed US military in Syria right now ! If they were not invited in by the recognized government then it’s an invasion.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Askew

Fair point, but that’s a technical distinction. America did take some limited military action in both places to little practical benefit.

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Askew

There are uniformed US military in Syria right now ! If they were not invited in by the recognized government then it’s an invasion.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Askew

Fair point, but that’s a technical distinction. America did take some limited military action in both places to little practical benefit.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

Good points, America has left nothing but turmoil and destruction in its wake, and a million more problems than it set out to solve.

Carole Mitchell
Carole Mitchell
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

ummm, Ukraine? Uyghurs?

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

Despite your obvious sarcasm, you make an excellent point. The conflicts you mention were, in the end, no more justified than Russia’s Ukraine invasion. The US, and others, are being blatantly hypocritical, but what government in the history of mankind hasn’t justified its own wars and condemned everybody else’s? Those wars were deemed, at the time, to be furthering American interests and also protecting the international order. Turns out those wars were counterproductive, but that’s hindsight. China has consistently used whatever means are at their disposal to benefit their people and interests. They were not wrong to do so, but neither is the US wrong to use all means to benefit its citizens and interests. Putting a moral spin on every international dispute and trying to separate the good guys from the bad guys is a pointless exercise. The real world is not like that. The article’s language makes it seem like the author is also making this mistake.

Michael Askew
Michael Askew
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

The USA did not invade Libya and Syria.

B Emery
B Emery
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

Good points, America has left nothing but turmoil and destruction in its wake, and a million more problems than it set out to solve.

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“… he asserts that the unipolar moment has passed and America is in decline. He’s obviously correct.”
He may well be, but America has fallen on hard times before, only to come out better; and long-term it is far better situated than China to lead the world. Consider that the US is self-sufficient in BOTH food and energy; and with a landmass stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific, it remains formidably resistant to hostile invasions. These observations must be qualified due to the fleeting foolishness of the Biden crowd, but they too shall pass.
China has none of those advantages, and has turned into a bully much too fast to retain its ability to form its own “Bloc”.

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Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Wim de Vriend

You’re quite correct. Global hegemony is quite a tall order, and even a nation as well endowed with respect to its resources both natural and human as the USA will eventually tire of such a burden. It’s one thing to suggest that the US will no longer be able to unilaterally dictate world politics, and quite another to suggest it will become irrelevant. At worst, the US will still be the strongest of several great powers participating in a ‘balance of power’ type scenario that should be familiar to anyone with a sense of history. As you correctly point out, the US is still fundamentally sound, and most of its problems are political/social in nature and could probably be remedied by better leadership. Europe, on the other hand, is in a truly terrible position long term.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Wim de Vriend

You’re quite correct. Global hegemony is quite a tall order, and even a nation as well endowed with respect to its resources both natural and human as the USA will eventually tire of such a burden. It’s one thing to suggest that the US will no longer be able to unilaterally dictate world politics, and quite another to suggest it will become irrelevant. At worst, the US will still be the strongest of several great powers participating in a ‘balance of power’ type scenario that should be familiar to anyone with a sense of history. As you correctly point out, the US is still fundamentally sound, and most of its problems are political/social in nature and could probably be remedied by better leadership. Europe, on the other hand, is in a truly terrible position long term.

P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Jolly is one of those closet racist ‘intellectuals’ and a warmonger who actively works towards the destruction of mankind via an all-out nuclear war with China or Russia or both.
Those that upticked his contribution should be ashamed of themselves – but perhaps they’re bright enough to realise where their thinking is leading.
And the more downticks I get from the warmongering rabble the happier I am!

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Be very happy then. Your boilerplate comments come straight out of the class of Marxism 101 at any Western university. They think they’re really clever too.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

I’m far from an intellectual, and I couldn’t honestly tell you what ‘racism’ means in today’s environment. For the record I am against an all out shooting war with either Russia or China over Taiwan, but I’m realistic enough to know that my opinion is worth less than the tiny amount of memory this comment takes up on a server somewhere. I judge that it is likely the US would go to war over Taiwan. Biden and others have said as much. I can see the situation realistically and still not support it. There’s a difference between what I think will happen and what I think should happen. I would support everything short of outright warfare, including embargos, blockades, full economic decoupling, and cancellation of the US debt held by the Chinese government.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

Be very happy then. Your boilerplate comments come straight out of the class of Marxism 101 at any Western university. They think they’re really clever too.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  P Branagan

I’m far from an intellectual, and I couldn’t honestly tell you what ‘racism’ means in today’s environment. For the record I am against an all out shooting war with either Russia or China over Taiwan, but I’m realistic enough to know that my opinion is worth less than the tiny amount of memory this comment takes up on a server somewhere. I judge that it is likely the US would go to war over Taiwan. Biden and others have said as much. I can see the situation realistically and still not support it. There’s a difference between what I think will happen and what I think should happen. I would support everything short of outright warfare, including embargos, blockades, full economic decoupling, and cancellation of the US debt held by the Chinese government.

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Was “protecting their interests, their economies and their people” the reason why America invaded the SOVEREIGN STATES of Iraq, Libya and Syria? I think not! Whereas Russia and China focus on their country’s interests, economies and people”, which can be questioned but not condemned out-of-hand.

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

“… he asserts that the unipolar moment has passed and America is in decline. He’s obviously correct.”
He may well be, but America has fallen on hard times before, only to come out better; and long-term it is far better situated than China to lead the world. Consider that the US is self-sufficient in BOTH food and energy; and with a landmass stretching from the Atlantic to the Pacific, it remains formidably resistant to hostile invasions. These observations must be qualified due to the fleeting foolishness of the Biden crowd, but they too shall pass.
China has none of those advantages, and has turned into a bully much too fast to retain its ability to form its own “Bloc”.

Last edited 1 year ago by Wim de Vriend
P Branagan
P Branagan
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

Jolly is one of those closet racist ‘intellectuals’ and a warmonger who actively works towards the destruction of mankind via an all-out nuclear war with China or Russia or both.
Those that upticked his contribution should be ashamed of themselves – but perhaps they’re bright enough to realise where their thinking is leading.
And the more downticks I get from the warmongering rabble the happier I am!

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago

Or the punch up at the Chinese consulate where it seems officials attacked protesters (the officials obviously beg to differ). china will not tolerate dissent . Look at what has happened to HK, despite reassurances.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago

Indeed, as in any conflict, there are two sides, and each believes they are justified. China could have, at any point over the past ten years, stopped building military islands in the South China Sea, granted Taiwan independence, stopped their companies from stealing technology, stopped flooding world markets with cheap goods to drive competition out and create monopolies for themselves, or stopped manipulating their currency to keep their exports cheaper and domestic manufacturing non-competitive. Of course, they did none of these things, because they were pursuing their interests without regard to anyone else. They will likely continue to do so. The author seems to hold two conflicting and mutually exclusive viewpoints. First, he asserts that the unipolar moment has passed and America is in decline. He’s obviously correct. The era where the US could stand astride the world is gone. However, he also seems to believe its possible to preserve some version of peaceful globalism without a global hegemon. In this, he’s quite obviously wrong. The only thing ever preventing the world from going back to a bunch of great powers struggling for power and influence was the giant or giants that effectively prevented them from doing so. Global free trade and free flow of capital and people became a thing because America had the force to make it so. Multipolar means exactly that. There will be many powerful players working against each other both economically and militarily. China and America will eventually decouple and form their own blocs. Other blocs will also form. Globalism is dying. The US military industrial complex that backs Biden and props up establishment politicians know it. They are preparing accordingly by pushing reshoring of an important strategic resource while limiting a rival’s access to same. They are behaving as any great power in a multipolar world should, protecting their interests, their economies, their people against other hostile powers (China). Whether that’s good for the EU, or Brazil, or India, is beside the point. That’s what multipolar means after all. It means America first in America, Germany first in Germany, China first in China, and so on. The author has a hard dose of reality coming his way in the next few decades.

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Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago

Or the punch up at the Chinese consulate where it seems officials attacked protesters (the officials obviously beg to differ). china will not tolerate dissent . Look at what has happened to HK, despite reassurances.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
1 year ago

“Today, military, economic, and geopolitical power are built on a foundation of computer chips.” …. “Take, for instance, Biden’s focus on boosting America’s chip-making capacity. While semiconductors may be strategically important in “out-competing” China, they’re not particularly labour-intensive. Reshoring traditional manufacturing sectors would benefit US workers much more

A contradiction? First we’re told that chips are the basis for everything, then that Biden is wrong to focus on them. How much manufacturing doesn’t involve chips?

The author didn’t mention ‘wolf warrior diplomacy’ or China’s aggressive actions in the South China sea.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago

I am no Joe Biden fan by any stretch but I take issue with the underlying assumptions here.
China has been a major strategic challenge for a very long time. In fact, it always has been. We in the west just woke up to that about 6 yrs ago and we did so in part because China became more openly aggressive, Trump called them out and because for the first time China clearly stated its objectives.If the west is in decline it is through our own choices. We CAN choose to take a different path. If we fail to do so, that is on us, but it is a CHOICE. That said, China has huge problems of its own making as well. There lies our opportunity.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Biden thinks China is the place that makes his coffee cup.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

“more openly aggressive” – China has been building a military capability of considerable size expecting an attack by who? They desire to project force and take over as world police from the US. Do we need more of that? China seeks to dominate, but why?

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Depends what you mean by “a very long time”. China and America were allies until 1947. Soong Mei-ling (AKA Madam Chiang-kaishek) addressed a joint session of congress in 1943 in perfect English, she was educated in America.The first American missionaries were in China in 1830, The US Navy and Marine Corps first fought Chinese Qing government forces in 1856, the American concession in Shanghai began in 1863, American forces were party to the battle of Peking in 1900.
The West seems to be suffering from shrinking historical horizons.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Biden thinks China is the place that makes his coffee cup.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

“more openly aggressive” – China has been building a military capability of considerable size expecting an attack by who? They desire to project force and take over as world police from the US. Do we need more of that? China seeks to dominate, but why?

Jake Dee
Jake Dee
1 year ago
Reply to  Daniel P

Depends what you mean by “a very long time”. China and America were allies until 1947. Soong Mei-ling (AKA Madam Chiang-kaishek) addressed a joint session of congress in 1943 in perfect English, she was educated in America.The first American missionaries were in China in 1830, The US Navy and Marine Corps first fought Chinese Qing government forces in 1856, the American concession in Shanghai began in 1863, American forces were party to the battle of Peking in 1900.
The West seems to be suffering from shrinking historical horizons.

Daniel P
Daniel P
1 year ago

I am no Joe Biden fan by any stretch but I take issue with the underlying assumptions here.
China has been a major strategic challenge for a very long time. In fact, it always has been. We in the west just woke up to that about 6 yrs ago and we did so in part because China became more openly aggressive, Trump called them out and because for the first time China clearly stated its objectives.If the west is in decline it is through our own choices. We CAN choose to take a different path. If we fail to do so, that is on us, but it is a CHOICE. That said, China has huge problems of its own making as well. There lies our opportunity.

Laurence Eyton
Laurence Eyton
1 year ago

I wonder how much Beijing paid Fazi to write this. It has all the hallmarks—the mendacity and naivety—of the China shill, a regrettably all-too-common creature among the commentariat these days. I stopped reading at his astounding lie—it is not just a misinterpretation—about the US’s One China policy.

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Laurence Eyton
Laurence Eyton
1 year ago

I wonder how much Beijing paid Fazi to write this. It has all the hallmarks—the mendacity and naivety—of the China shill, a regrettably all-too-common creature among the commentariat these days. I stopped reading at his astounding lie—it is not just a misinterpretation—about the US’s One China policy.

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Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago

If the west is in decline it’s because of world leaders like Biden, Macron,Trudeau and a succession of British prime ministers.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago

If the west is in decline it’s because of world leaders like Biden, Macron,Trudeau and a succession of British prime ministers.

Michael Askew
Michael Askew
1 year ago

The “Belt and Road” project is a strategy adopted by China to make poor contries economically and therefore politically dependent on them. China has become the workshop of the world by manipulating their currency, using slave labout and thereby beating other manufacturers on price. It is flexing its muscles militarily, and threatening to invade the independent state of Taiwan, over which it claims sovereignty. The author of this article is acting as a mouthpiece for the Chinese government, blaming the west for objecting to the aggressive posture of modern China towards the rest of the world.

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Michael Askew
Michael Askew
1 year ago

The “Belt and Road” project is a strategy adopted by China to make poor contries economically and therefore politically dependent on them. China has become the workshop of the world by manipulating their currency, using slave labout and thereby beating other manufacturers on price. It is flexing its muscles militarily, and threatening to invade the independent state of Taiwan, over which it claims sovereignty. The author of this article is acting as a mouthpiece for the Chinese government, blaming the west for objecting to the aggressive posture of modern China towards the rest of the world.

Last edited 1 year ago by Michael Askew
Mike Doyle
Mike Doyle
1 year ago

A very informative article – I hadn’t realised that Biden was achieving so much good.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Doyle

Even an idiot with a broken watch has the correct time twice in a day. Biden’s anti-China focus has nothing to do with him and everything to do with a confluence of military, economic, political, and social factors that he has no control over. First, there’s the Thucydides trap dynamic between a rising and declining power. Second, there’s the incompatibility of the American and Chinese systems of government. Third, the CCP has managed what neither of our political parties has managed, to build a consensus among all Americans. Americans may dislike each other and disagree on everything up to and including basic facts, but they all agree that China is worse, and I have to say that’s quite sensible. Lastly, there’s the fact that our most important current economic allies Japan, Australia, and South Korea are terrified of coming under Chinese influence. The US would go to war over Taiwan before it would go to war over France, Germany, or the UK because Taiwan has more strategic value than both of them put together.

Tom May
Tom May
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

China isn’t rising anymore. They can’t feed themselves and they are shrinking demographically at an accelerating pace. Also, a dictator just can’t make all the decisions that are required a d his underlings are scared to think for themselves.

Kiti Misha
Kiti Misha
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom May

One person taking decisions instead of a myriad conflicting voices that halt any decision making is exactly how a country can progress. the West is falling because of the multiple interests at stake in every single decision. China has the advantage of a unified economic and political front. And at least an overt enemy is better than a covert one where you need to analyze all the historic and socio-political elements of every decision in order to see through an agenda

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiti Misha

So, if this ” one person ” has got it all wrong,
there will be no ” progress “, yes ?
The ” Great Leap Forward ” springs to mind.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiti Misha

When one person makes all the decisions the advice he gets will come from frightened toadies and sycophants who are too scared to provide information the Great Leader doesn’t want to hear. It’s happened many times before.

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Richard B
Richard B
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiti Misha

Sorry, I don’t speak commie.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiti Misha

So, if this ” one person ” has got it all wrong,
there will be no ” progress “, yes ?
The ” Great Leap Forward ” springs to mind.

harry storm
harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiti Misha

When one person makes all the decisions the advice he gets will come from frightened toadies and sycophants who are too scared to provide information the Great Leader doesn’t want to hear. It’s happened many times before.

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Richard B
Richard B
1 year ago
Reply to  Kiti Misha

Sorry, I don’t speak commie.

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom May

a dictator just can’t make all the decisions that are required and his underlings are scared to think for themselves.
Dictators can exploit reserves of capital, productivity, and resources built up before he took over. But in the long run the country will suffer and decline since no one person can make the decisions correctly as you point out. The problem is that it took 75 years for the Soviet Union to collapse and it may take China even longer given its tight control of information and population.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Given the increasing centralization of China, we can expect less prosperity for it’s citizens. Xi clearly fears that the central government was at risk from private sector growth so is trying to reduce competition. That will likely lead to future difficulties. The author of this article wants to blame the US for that bad policy.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
1 year ago
Reply to  Terry M

Given the increasing centralization of China, we can expect less prosperity for it’s citizens. Xi clearly fears that the central government was at risk from private sector growth so is trying to reduce competition. That will likely lead to future difficulties. The author of this article wants to blame the US for that bad policy.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom May

You make an excellent point. I’ve read other articles that make a case for this and there are plenty of indicators pointing to a slowdown of China’s economic growth even without the US doing anything. It can likewise be argued that the US’s ‘decline’ is overstated due to America’s current political instability, which is a result of Americans disagreeing over issues that are unrelated to calculations of economic and military power.

Kiti Misha
Kiti Misha
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom May

One person taking decisions instead of a myriad conflicting voices that halt any decision making is exactly how a country can progress. the West is falling because of the multiple interests at stake in every single decision. China has the advantage of a unified economic and political front. And at least an overt enemy is better than a covert one where you need to analyze all the historic and socio-political elements of every decision in order to see through an agenda

Terry M
Terry M
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom May

a dictator just can’t make all the decisions that are required and his underlings are scared to think for themselves.
Dictators can exploit reserves of capital, productivity, and resources built up before he took over. But in the long run the country will suffer and decline since no one person can make the decisions correctly as you point out. The problem is that it took 75 years for the Soviet Union to collapse and it may take China even longer given its tight control of information and population.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Tom May

You make an excellent point. I’ve read other articles that make a case for this and there are plenty of indicators pointing to a slowdown of China’s economic growth even without the US doing anything. It can likewise be argued that the US’s ‘decline’ is overstated due to America’s current political instability, which is a result of Americans disagreeing over issues that are unrelated to calculations of economic and military power.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

And therein lies the danger. It is a stated objective of Xi to annexe Taiwan.

Tom May
Tom May
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

China isn’t rising anymore. They can’t feed themselves and they are shrinking demographically at an accelerating pace. Also, a dictator just can’t make all the decisions that are required a d his underlings are scared to think for themselves.

Steve Jerome
Steve Jerome
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Jolly

And therein lies the danger. It is a stated objective of Xi to annexe Taiwan.

Steve Jolly
Steve Jolly
1 year ago
Reply to  Mike Doyle

Even an idiot with a broken watch has the correct time twice in a day. Biden’s anti-China focus has nothing to do with him and everything to do with a confluence of military, economic, political, and social factors that he has no control over. First, there’s the Thucydides trap dynamic between a rising and declining power. Second, there’s the incompatibility of the American and Chinese systems of government. Third, the CCP has managed what neither of our political parties has managed, to build a consensus among all Americans. Americans may dislike each other and disagree on everything up to and including basic facts, but they all agree that China is worse, and I have to say that’s quite sensible. Lastly, there’s the fact that our most important current economic allies Japan, Australia, and South Korea are terrified of coming under Chinese influence. The US would go to war over Taiwan before it would go to war over France, Germany, or the UK because Taiwan has more strategic value than both of them put together.

Mike Doyle
Mike Doyle
1 year ago

A very informative article – I hadn’t realised that Biden was achieving so much good.

Bob Pugh
Bob Pugh
1 year ago

The US need to be more muscular when dealing with regimes that are essentially hostile in nature. Surely that is the biggest take away from the Ukrain war. Germany is hardly a poster child for sensible policy, thier mistakes from underfunded defence to reliance on Russian gas have been legion.

Cathy Carron
Cathy Carron
1 year ago
Reply to  Bob Pugh

Add Angela Merkle’s immigration policy, “Wer Schaffer Das” – not impressive at all.

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Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

It’s Merkel, not Merkle, and “Wir schaffen das”. Even so, I fully agree that she set Germany on a very bad course. But then, she spoke Russian and got along well with Putin.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Wim de Vriend

She was born a “commie” and will die a “commie”. How could it possibly be otherwise?

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CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Wim de Vriend

She was born a “commie” and will die a “commie”. How could it possibly be otherwise?

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Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago
Reply to  Cathy Carron

It’s Merkel, not Merkle, and “Wir schaffen das”. Even so, I fully agree that she set Germany on a very bad course. But then, she spoke Russian and got along well with Putin.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago
Reply to  Bob Pugh

The US State department, the EU, NATO and the UK engineered a coup in which the President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych was removed.
The US was involved in conflicts in Afghanistan,
Iraq, Syria, Yemen and Libya.
The latest US project is to keep the 8 year old conflict in Ukraine running for as long as possible.
Biden does not want peace in Ukraine.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Stoater D

Come off it ! The US needs War! It provides thousands of jobs, pensions etc.

After Reagan’s somewhat unexpected ‘victory’ in the Cold War there was a major problem. No war, no jobs.

Fortunately Saddam ‘Insane’ & Co offered themselves as “lambs to the slaughter “, and this “War against Terror” had a very good run (20 years) until the rather embarrassing denouement last year.

Fortunately Mr Putin took the bait, and it’s “business as usual”.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago

Er, yes. The US needs war.
Did I suggest otherwise ?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Stoater D

No, I just thought you might have been slightly more direct.
It is axiomatic after all that the US ‘needs’ a war, and you have done your best to highlight this, thank you.

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago

Actually, one could make the point that Ukraine is benefiting from America’s much-loathed military-industrial complex, which has put to good use the various lessons learned during its — admittedly ill-considered — wars.

Wim de Vriend
Wim de Vriend
1 year ago

Actually, one could make the point that Ukraine is benefiting from America’s much-loathed military-industrial complex, which has put to good use the various lessons learned during its — admittedly ill-considered — wars.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Stoater D

No, I just thought you might have been slightly more direct.
It is axiomatic after all that the US ‘needs’ a war, and you have done your best to highlight this, thank you.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Why the “thumbs down”? My only regret is the we- the UK, once had a flourishing arms industry, now sadly much depleted!
A century ago we were even supplying state of the art ‘Dreadnoughts’ to happy customers. 2 to Brazil, 1 to Chile, 3 to Spain (flat packs) 2 to Ottoman Turkey (never delivered) and at least 1 to Japan.
Happy days indeed.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago

Er, yes. The US needs war.
Did I suggest otherwise ?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Why the “thumbs down”? My only regret is the we- the UK, once had a flourishing arms industry, now sadly much depleted!
A century ago we were even supplying state of the art ‘Dreadnoughts’ to happy customers. 2 to Brazil, 1 to Chile, 3 to Spain (flat packs) 2 to Ottoman Turkey (never delivered) and at least 1 to Japan.
Happy days indeed.

Stoater D
Stoater D
1 year ago
Reply to  Stoater D

To those of you who down-voted my post,
which points do you dispute ?

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago