This omits the perhaps inconvenient truth that in England at least they eventually settled down, became Christian in many cases, got married to locals, started working on the family farm and ended up to all intents and purposes English. Boring perhaps but apparently happy.
I don’t think there is a connection but if you are anti-Christian and you want to attract others to your view, maybe you assume the connection with wokeness. This assumed connection works the other way as well – hence the downvotes.
If your hero was, say, Winston Churchill because he got things done, he must have been a Viking – and you as well. If your hero was a wimp but was a very, very nice person, he and you must be wokes.
I think we need something like the Beaufort wind scale. We could then take all politicians (and Christians) and grade them on a 1-10 basis. 1 would be a super-Viking and 10 a super-woke.
Boris Johnson?
You make some good points, but I don’t see the Woke as anything “nice”. After my friend got murdered as a cop in the line of duty, the Woke showed up and they screamed at his mother “I hope all cops burn in hell!”. Don’t fall for their ‘nice’ gaslighting. They’re sadistic, vicious scum.
Not all of them. You are talking about an unpleasant fanatic minority, who by the way exist on both sides of the political spectrum (though I’ve argued it isn’t really a one-dimensional spectrum). Are the majority of the American electorate, having voted for Joe Biden, woke? If you describe anyone you disagree with as ‘sadistic vicious scum’ you are dehumanising them, contributing to.polarisation and ultimately the breakdown of your own society.
Like most one dimensional linear scales in human affairs and politics, it would be too simplistic. Was Liz Truss right wing? Well she was arguably on economics, but not on immigration policy! So Left and Right, the essentialist meanings of are for ever being disputed on this forum, are simplistic labels to say the least. We need more dimensions.
Agree, Holland is basically describing “secular Christianity,” or Christian values without a God. This is what Western egalitarianism basically is — and the “woke” movement is absolutely a result.
You can be “woke” and have a very definite idea of the Christian God. The current pope of the Roman Catholic Church is an example. Not all “Christians” are Republicans.
Most modern secular values are ultimately derived from Christian values. Charity becomes the welfare state. Humility is transformed into things like diversity and tolerance. Turning the other cheek is pacifism and opposition to war. Mercy is rehabilitating criminals, opposing the death penalty, etc. I could easily go on, but most of secularism is just Christianity without God and reconfigured to suit the needs of today’s ruling class, who find the values useful but the notion of a higher authority than themselves unhelpful.
Agree, with the caveat that without that “higher authority” — meaning, without any coherent philosophy or belief system, modern egalitarianism is nihilistic and, from a social evolution perspective, completely dysgenic.
Christianity/egalitarianism is a perfect example of a once-eugenic cultural trait that, in a changed world (global, technological) has become suddenly dysgenic. It should be discarded, but unfortunately our philosophers have failed us, and no coherent belief system has yet arisen to replace it.
To see Christianity’s failures in the modern world, consider that increasing obsession with equality means the end of empire, the acceptance of multiculturalism and globalism and mass migration, the rapid and exogenous technological development of the Third World leading to overpopulation in Africa and Asia, acceptance of degenerate social movements and behaviors, etc. All of this weakens the race (a biological-cultural construct.) If we do not extirpate egalitarianism quickly, the races not afflicted with the attendant uncertainty and nihilism will replace us: the non-egalitarian Muslims, the atheist Chinese, etc.
What coherent belief system would you imagine should replace Christianity? Some Nietzsche-like will to power philosophy, something like Chinese collectivism, objectivism like Ayn Rand. It seems a lot of attempts have been made to replace Christianity and none have really succeeded. Some of the attempts to replace Christianity (Nazism, Communism) have caused a great deal of suffering and loss of life. Maybe that should tell us something.
I think that’s true of institutionalized anything. I believe when humans think and act collectively, as a group, the results are usually bad. I think people are at their best when they act as individuals and respect one another as individuals, and the best way I’ve heard that stated is treat your neighbor as you would have him treat you.
So is voluntary neighborliness a sort of collective-minded individuality? Nihilistic self-indulgence, for example, is quite individualistic Hospitals and schools are not built with singlehanded efforts.
So do we need individual or collective efforts? The obvious answer: Yes, we do. Any attempt to place virtue or right-mindedness squarely in either the individual or collective camp quickly becomes too reductive or riddled with exceptions to mean much. However, I’d contend that Western societies face little danger of overly communal or even unselfish prevailing attitudes these days.
That was more a reaction of German princes against a big landowner, the Church, to expropriate its wealth. Quite similar to the ransacking of temples by Julius Caesar to finance his plundering campaigns.
If you want to be cynical – people great and small did actually believe in the Catholic and Protestant causes. But yes, the adoption of Lutheranism gave princes the chance and excuse to expropriate the huge lands of the medieval church and keep it themselves or allocate it to their supporters.
Unfortunately ‘woke’ is probably the nearest thing to it, though possibly only half the population subscribe to some of it at the moment. The right wing attempts to find some sort of replacement ideology appear to be largely incoherent, anachronistic and even laughable (Catholic integralism?!).
I fear we are in a similar cultural period in the West, where the old paganism was replaced by Christianity over decades. There was some coercion, but more it was young people just imbibing the ideas from an early age and it becoming completely natural.
Like the Vikings, the Muslim and the Chinese see Western civilization’s ruin via wokeism for what it is – artificial empowering of something that has no true power. Just like the Vikings did via violence, the Chinese are “calling the Western bluff” via economic and political devastating blows. Morally I also loath China’s dictator and the horrible abuses of the Muslim leaders, but (just like the Vikings) they know where to hit us. I love Western culture and fear that unless it takes a dose of humility and acknowledge that it has been led astray by wokeism, it will meet the same fate as the Lindisfarne islanders. Reality never cared for morality.
True, but we are all on here, whatever our political differences, imbibed in specifically Western morality and ethics, not, for example, extolling and paying homage to our ancestors, as the Chinese do.
Brilliant analysis!
I would add fascist, ultra-nationalist Russia to China and the Ummah, as well as Hindu-fanatic India, with its obscene caste system (the antithesis of equality).
I think your endless use of the term ‘eugenic’ makes your views very suspect indeed. There is absolutely no such biological concept as ‘weakening the race’, except perhaps by intensive inbreeding. That was that famously engaged in by the Hapsburgs with baleful medical consequences to them, who were practising of course the precise opposite of miscegenation.
And I also question the idea that ‘egalitarianism’ is truly a driving principle of the modern West, albeit there is a mass of hypocrisy and virtue signalling on the issue. Why do we have today some of the highest levels of inequality seen in Western societies with the top 0.1% gaining ever more in wealth? At least, it seems a pretty ineffective form of egalitarianism. At least Mao largely succeeded in that, even if using utter brutality to do so!
“Woke” is basically equality-obsession.
The Christians are absolutely equality-obsessed. See St. Paul’s edict that “there is neither man nor woman… but all are equal in the sight of God”.
The “woke” moment is maybe best understood as a kind of secular Christian revival. “Secular Christianity” is not an oxymoron btw — it is basically Christian values (mostly “equality”) without any deity.
This is not an original analysis, you can find it all over the internet.
Without a Deity, without humility, without recognizing the sacrifice and the promise of eternal life…without seeing the system and the promise and the utility and sense of well being and security from believing…one goes into one’s own sense of one’s own power and gets into conflict…One can’t get religious here, but, try studying for a year, and preying…deliberately misspelled so as not to offend the algorithm…and see what you believe. Lots of resources out there online. Really give it twenty minutes a day, study and preying.
Sure. There is a permanent conflict between equality (from Zarathustra, Gautama, Jesus) and a caste/class system.
The ‘woke’ movement try to sell equality but hardly attacks the concentration of wealth. It actually diverts attention to absurd issues such as the privileges of ultra-minorities: transgender people (actually a bunch of individuals) and other oddities. They are working to set up the foundation of a caste system in which people are classified according to weird ethnic and gender abstractions. At the end, a transgender would have more privileged than a white man or a woman fighting for gender parity.
Are you kidding me? Wokeness is just a subset of a universalist morality, which is equitarian. It’s just Christian morality, secularized and with supernatural beliefs removed, and taken to the logical end. (Jesus didn’t have it quite right.)
There is a long evolving cultural connection, as well argued by Tom Holland and others. Firstly the idea that we should ipso facto have pity and concern for the weak and the poor was a very Christian (perhaps Jewish before that, but certainly Christian) innovation. That was revolutionary. Neither the Romans nor the Vikings would have had any idea what you were talking about. Even slaves wanted to be free themselves or possibly slave owners, not to abolish slavery. The concept that every human soul had value (including women) was unique and new.
Then we had in Western Christendom the state / church split, initially over the Investiture Contest, which had a profound effect on political institutions and dispersed authority, leading to the possibility of free cities, institutions and societies not completely under the thumb of a King or Emperor. And in the long run, political liberalism, which certainly did not arise in China or the Muslim world. (It was very different however in the Orthodox East, where church and state were much more closely linked).
We had eventually, the ever expanding of the ‘circle of concern’ from family to neighbours, to countrymen, to slaves, to women, to people of a different race, to homosexuals, to…. trans people. You can see how we got there, though it’s a complex and convoluted story.
The good thing about the Vikings is that they are long in the past so that “Hope not Hate” won’t be persecuting this author for Vikingophobia.
A safe bet that no website will be publishing an equivalent page about the history (and currency) of a certain other group with equal if not greater brutality and alternative values.
Such is our “free world”. Sad.
As they did in Normandy……hence, over here, we are Normands……men from the north.
Within one generation, old Norsk wasn’t spoken anymore and the heritage of this era can be found in farmers blue eyes …… we are very proud of this heritage…..Barfleur before being besieged by Henry the V was founded by Norwegian Vikings and their legacy went in with the traveling bug which sent them to conquering England, settling in Sicily and Palestine …..
That’s not his point though. He’s talking mainly about the visceral savagery of the Viking raids, not the subsequent settlements. Although those were hardly bastions of politeness either. Plenty of evidence for capital punishment, public display of decapitated heads etc in Viking towns like Dublin
You can be both. I think they were basically farmers who went raiding from time to time for fun and profit. One theory of how English lost its gendered words is that it is essentially a pidgin language created because there were so many Danish fathers married to local girls. They essentially dumbed down the local language grammar so it was easier to learn.
Craig Bishop
1 year ago
I got my hair cut the other day in a barber shop in Cape Town run by a woman, who told me within minutes that she embraced her ADHD. She didn’t stop chatting the whole time, which I usually hate. But she told a fascinating story about young men wanting the Viking cut – basically a reverse mullet, with shaven sides and long on the top. Like they imagine Viking warriors might have looked. This woman was adamant that the growing of beards, as well as this so-called warrior style, even the ghastly man-bun, was all an attempt to reclaim some sort of imagined masculinity. Something in short supply, especially for young men trying to define themselves. Very interesting chat. She flatly refused to cut womans’ hair, she said, as it was too traumatic an experience. With men, apparently, you cut the hair and the man will be grateful and out he walks. But with women, you cut the hair, and in doing so, tweak her personality. So this woman claimed.
Most interesting. Unherd columist Naama Kata releasted a podcast (no 87) a few weeks back that sheds light on this. She intereviewed a young South African incel who argued along the lines of feminism having perverse effects at least in the big 3 cities 0 CT, Johanessberg & Durban. With the relatively feminised men finding no woman would want to date them, while hyper masculine men enjoying mutliple relationships, often leaving multiple baby mothers in their wake.
I think it is a perverse attraction with women left on their own saddled with a child or two. The one’s I have seen live for a visit from the father whilst at the same time he is doing the same to other women.
Therefore, hyper masculine men behave as bastards and create shitholes. Denmark and Sweden are far better under female leaderships than Johannesburg – a very dangerous city, Pakistan, Somalia or any other country ran by gangs of violent men.
What she was describing is a Mohawk, a haircut attributed to the Mohawks of what is now eastern Canada. They were/are very well known for serious effectiveness in battle.
And nothing is left from them except a funny haircut.
Adam Bartlett
1 year ago
Not sure how much direct evidence there is that Vikings “really, really hated” pious, hypocritical do-gooders. Christians generally well know we don’t consistently embody the virtues we uphold. Yet it was Christians who converted the Vikings, not the other way round. Granted, sometimes largely due to superior valour & force of arms. But often it was entirely peaceful, with slaves and other low status Christians converting pagan majority areas just by their words, Love & the example of their fine character. Probably too by the grace of the Holy Spirit.
Much as we should never forget the horrors of war, especially in these times, good though to have this reminder of how thrilling & appealing conflict can be, especially to children. A personal fave as a lad was ‘Twilight of the Grey Gods’. A retelling of the Battle of Clontarf emphasizing the defeat of the Norse spiritual entities by the Triumphant Christ (And the fictional Odin even seemned to willingly aquiesce to this). Good luck with the book old sport.
The ‘Vikings’ ultimately failed to stamp out Christianity in the British Isle, despite making a valiant effort.
Come back Eric Bloodaxe & Co, all is forgiven.
Christianity brings hope to the hopeless. As the western world slides ever farther into hopelessness I expect that Christ and His people will be there offering eternal hope.
Alfred the Great was a christian who stood up to the Vikings. They were unable to overcome him by force of arms and it was a case of thus far and no further.
Howard Gleave
1 year ago
I suggest a future episode of Doctor Who in which Greta Thunberg is transported back in time to be judged by her Viking forebears. Should be a ratings smash hit.
Claire D
1 year ago
“the Vikings . . . .like us, lived in an intensely dangerous, competitive world, where rival warlords struggled for resources.”
Where does Dominic Sandbrook live ? Britain today is not “intensely dangerous”. Ukraine, Yemen, Afghanistan – Yes.
Britain – No.
The popularity of virtual extreme violence as entertainment is more likely due to boredom and a comparatively easy life. The first half of the last century was full of the reality of extreme violence and our parents and grandparents generations were sick of it. In the 21st century glorifying and revelling in it in the abstract, as the article seems to do, is only rational when you are certain you are not going to end up being hung, drawn and quartered (for example) somewhere down the line.
“The popularity of virtual extreme violence as entertainment is……” …..because our society has become dominated by the sick profitmaking culture of giant corporations.
Ah yes! The evil giant corporations are at fault. That’s the problem. Such as the Coen Brothers and most of the Hollywood studios and actors and their various unions. Certainly not the deviants who purchase this material by the billions of dollars?
If you are having to compare Britain to Ukraine to make the case it’s not actually that dangerous then already it’s proof that there’s something wrong. I’m often surprised how low quality of life (e.g. crime, anti-social behaviour etc) is normalised in the UK due to lowered expectations.
I think we are often fooled into thinking our country is more dangerous than it is. According to the Global Peace Index with Afghanistan at number 1, Yemen 2, Syria 3 the most dangerous, and Iceland at number 163, New Zealand 162, Ireland 161 the safest, (the US is at 35) UK is 130 (Italy 132), not so bad. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-dangerous-countries
“intensely dangerous” we are not.
Having said that, it would be good to be even safer.
If you examine the methodology of that index you quote, you’ll see that if a country defunds its policy force and lets everyone out of its prisons it would become safer. Does that remind you of something?
See pages 81-83 in that document you link (was 75-77 in the previous year’s). The weighted additive factors include incarceration rate and police rate as weighted factors with similar weights to perceptions of crime and homicide rates. So if perceptions of crime or homicide rates rise (about) an equal amount alongside a drop in the number of police officers that’s a net zero.
But that is you personally coming to a conclusion on a hypothetical set of numbers. Also your equation isolates 4(?) indicators and leaves out the effect of all the other 19 indicators, no sensible, honest researcher would do that. Perhaps the index could be, or is used in that way by hostile actors but I don’t think the GPI sets out to enable such people.
It is a useful index imo.
No doubt they had pure intentions creating this index, but still they’ve created something that behaves just the way I describe above. As for the other indicators, they’re no different. Taken together, this index boils down to saying fewer weapons and police makes a country safer. Very Woke and well-meaning on the surface of it, yet that’s an ideological position they take, it’s not a fact.
Britain is, apparently, a place in which lawyers argue that there is any conceivable legal reason for owning, let alone carrying a machete.
Andrew Horsman
1 year ago
One thing that I have never understood is why people think it is OK to glorify, celebrate, or make fun out of medieval violence and gore. Think London Dungeon. We should, certainly, try and understand what went on, and comprehend the all to human impulse for violence, martial glory, and gore that the kids cited in this article expressed. But making out that instruments of excruciating physical torture and pain are all part of a goofy, fun “fright experience” (just £29 per adult if you buy online, folks!)? There is something very detached about that. Ironically, perhaps, the more distant and alien to ourselves we portray medieval violence, the less we are able to interrogate in a moral frame and the less we might learn from it ourselves. It reinforces our delusion that we live in ahistorical times.
What we should be telling those kids is that anyone is capable of doing what the Vikings did and it’s only by diligent, conscientious, vigilant protection, nurturing and gradual, incremental reform of our Christian-heritage moral code and societal norms that we can stop such degeneration into “might is right”. After all, I’m sure the little girl who wanted “more beheading” might think it fit to revise her view if it were put to her that it could easily be her Mummy or Daddy who was on the chopping block. These days that would probably land you with a court order or something, but it might teach her lesson worth learning!
You’ll never get most children to empathise with what previous generations of the past went through in anything like how an adult can. Explain Alexander the Great or Caesar to them and they’re usually far more interested in the battles and conquests, not the lives of people that were turned upside down by having their homes destroyed and being sold into slavery or killed as a result of said conquests. Similar for me with WWII when I was a fairly young child. I wasn’t particularly interested in evacuees, the Blitz, Babyn Yar, the fate of POW’s captured by Japan etc until I was at least a few years older and my mind could somewhat comprehend those horrors.
At the end of the day, children develop very quickly as people, but there’s a lot there to develop and it’s naive I think to assume people with an age of only one digit will understand these horrors fully. Better to teach them the “cool” stuff which can then trigger an interest in the more brutal reality.
True, but I think you can jolt them to at least think about the consequences and real world implications of the “cool” stuff by personalising the experience, eg what if it were your best friend who got gunned down in a battle etc. How would you feel? They might not look into it all in more detail until they are older but inculcating a narrative that there was this stuff that happened in the past, it was kind of gory, kind of cool, kind of scary, but that’s all gone now is, I believe wrong and dangerous.
Perhaps if Stephen King’s 13 year old antagonist Todd Bowden in his Apt Pupil had had the “gooshy parts” of concentration camp guard Dussender’s past contextualised and personalised for him at a younger age things might not have turned out as they did in that very clever morality tale.
Warren, I think that those who foresee peace as the outcome of Christianity do not see that as a result of mankind’s actions or actions but, rather, as the result of the Biblical account of the world ending being true. If it is not (and, of course, if it is!) Pascal’s equation operates!
Grahame Wells
1 year ago
Funny how effete, do-gooder Christians defeated them on the battlefield (eg that Christian king Alfred) when they were organised and not caught off-guard by hit and run raids on defenceless monks and villagers, to kidnap and sell (how noble and courageous). Christian missionaries cast out their demons, healed their sick, preached redemption and hope. They confronted their gods who demanded human sacrifice. It’s pretty courageous to go defenceless to people who may torture then slaughter you for fun. Never get TV lionising them. The Christ they and the Saxons embraced was the Warrior Who defeated Satan and his myrmidons through his heroic death and resurrection. It’s wokeism that distorts history, romanticising indigenous cultures that were horrifically abusive. Wokeists see Christianity as the enemy, at least its biblical form tho having borrowed some of its value system such as equality (before God), human worth (Vikings couldn’t have cared less about people not in their clan or class, like pagan Romans) and justice before the law (a la Tom Holland’s Dominion).
I’m afraid you misread the relationship between wokeness and Nietzsche. The woke are the idiot children of the Frankfurt School, Gramsci, Foucault and a host of anti- and post-colonialist thinkers who bought Lenin’s provably wrong imperialism theory wholesale, but somewhere along the way in that mostly Marxist pedigree, a bit of Nietzsche’s thought crept in in the form of trans-valuation of values: the woke by and large accept old racist (and sexist) stereotypes, but declare the qualtiies that use to be slurs to be proofs of the superiority of the marginalized (e.g. women being less rationals becoms ‘womyn’s ways of knowing”, people of African ancestry have superior musical sense, a gloss on “got rhythm”,..)
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Do Nigerian children thrill to stories of their ancestors going out and raiding other tribes to enslave them and sell them to the white man? Presumably if they do the assumption is that they will be the ones doing the enslaving rather than being enslaved just as the English children seem to work on this assumption.
Probably. I don’t think the validity of the insight into childhood Sir James M. Barrie expressed in the phrase “innocent and heartless” is confined to European children.
Thomas King
1 year ago
Interesting read, Mr. Sandbrook clearly knows his stuff. But I disagree with the premise that modern wokists find the Vikings’ violent depravity at all unpleasant or ‘problematic’. I’ve met quite a few who idolise them, sometimes because of the violence instead of despite it. And the simple reason is that their crimes were mostly perpetrated against Christians, and they themselves were not. They’re given allowance for all the slavery and human sacrifice as it was ‘just their culture’, and their raids and plundering are always seemingly couched in an almost defensive language, in that they were simply retaliating against those awful imperialistic Christians. I once had a friend who, not only adopted the worship of Odin and his pantheon and claimed himself to be pagan, but very earnestly and frankly angrily declared to me that the means by which Vikingdom was largely converted peacefully to the worship of Christ, the adapting of Norse customs and traditions and integration into Christian teachings to encourage and ease conversion, was tantamount to ‘cultural rape’ and was far worse than anything, including actual rape, the Vikings ever did to Christians. In other words those monks were asking for it.
Most wokists seem perfectly ok with violence, so long as it’s done to a person belonging to a group they dislike. In that way they’re just as tribalistic as the Vikings, just more obnoxious and hypocritical than they were about it.
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martin logan
1 year ago
The author seems to be unaware that there is a fundamental difference between “woke” and Christianity.
Christianity teaches that mankind is precisely LIKE the Vikings. The victims at Lindisfarne lived in a world very similar to that of the Vikings, where might made right. Indeed, despite recent attempts to ignore or “correct” the written evidence, Anglo-Saxons were just as ruthless when they invaded Britian in the 5th C, as the Vikings were in the 9th C.
The crucial difference is that “woke” people teach a Sub-Marxist theory that argues that anything bad is part of a conspiracy to keep a given evil ruling elite in power. Moreover, since recorded history was written for these evil elites, things like the 1619 Project will automatically make us all better people.
Christianity, on the other hand, teaches that even if you change whoever is in power, and their narrative, it makes no difference. Whoever takes charge won’t act any differently, being inherently “fallen.” “Woke” Silicon Valley entrepreneurs will eventually become as corrupt as 19th C Robber Barons. Mankind by itself just can’t change.
I’d say that explains nearly all of the human behaviour seen in history.
Mike Bell
1 year ago
Given that there are 100s of ‘Viking’ place names of settlements all over the Danelaw, does this not mean that the view of the Vikings as primarily raiders is wrong.
Sure there were raids, but there is only so much smash-and-grab that you can do on a population. After a bit you have to stop, plough and grow.
The influence of Viking culture is central to English identity, with some linguists are arguing that modern English is a Viking language-structure with Anglo-saxon vocabulary.
Furthermore, the origins of English individualism , which enabled the Uk to become the first industrialised nation in the 18th century, have their origins in patterns of ownership most common in the ex-Danelaw areas even by 1066.
The rise of York as a European trading centre also suggests that it was trade, not raid which was the predominant Viking contribution.
Sure there were raids, but there is only so much smash-and-grab that you can do on a population. After a bit you have to stop, plough and grow.
Thanks to “Black history month” etc obsession and “enrichment” of our culture, few know any White history, least of all how the barbarian warbands eventually killed one another off with the result that the shy and modest agricultural people ended up founding the new civilisation properly called Western Christendom (plus the Celtic and the Eastern ones). Read Arnold Toynbee.
Sue Sims
1 year ago
Re. children’s love of violence, Ogden Nash nailed it about ninety years ago..
DON’T CRY, DARLING, IT’S BLOOD ALL RIGHT
Whenever poets want to give you the idea that something is particularly meek and mild,
They compare it to a child,
Thereby proving that though poets with poetry may be rife
They don’t know the facts of life.
If of compassion you desire either a tittle or a jot,
Don’t try to get it from a tot.
Hard-boiled, sophisticated adults like me and you
May enjoy ourselves thoroughly with Little Women and Winnie-the-Pooh,
But innocent infants these titles from their reading course eliminate
As soon as they discover that it was honey and nuts and mashed potatoes instead of human flesh that Winnie-the-Pooh and Little Women ate.
Innocent infants have no use for fables about rabbits or donkeys or tortoises or porpoises,
What they want is something with plenty of well-mutilated corpoises.
Not on legends of how the rose came to be a rose instead of a petunia is their fancy fed,
But on the inside story of how somebody’s bones got ground up to make somebody else’s bread.
They go to sleep listening to the story of the little beggarmaid who got to be queen by being kind to the bees and the birds,
But they’re all eyes and ears the minute they suspect a wolf or a giant is going to tear some poor woodcutter into quarters and thirds.
It really doesn’t take much to fill their cup;
All they want is for somebody to be eaten up.
Therefore I say unto you, all you poets who are so crazy about meek and mild little children and their angelic air,
If you are sincere and really want to please them, why just go out and get yourselves devoured by a bear.
Jim, this sn’t by me: it’s a poem by Ogden Nash (1902-1971), who specialised in humorous verse with absolutely no metrical regularity and full of outrageous rhymes (the latter in the tradition of W.S. Gilbert). He was perfectly capable of writing strictly metrical stuff when he wanted: probably the best known is the verse titled ‘Reflections on Ice-Breaking’, which runs:
“Candy
Is dandy,
But liquor
Is quicker.”
And ‘The Cow’ is pretty famous as well:
“The cow is of the bovine ilk;
One end is moo, the other, milk.”
I grew up in Utah and I loved his poem about Senator Smoot; Republican, Ut; and his war on smut! I had it memorized as a lass.
Regan Best
1 year ago
Yeah and cool names like Olaf & Ragner and such. And w/nicknames like “Harvald the Skullsplitter” that pretty much says it all right?
Madeleine Jones
1 year ago
My knowledge on the Vikings is a bit limited – but I like how the Viking kings fight alongside their men. It’s a very physical culture, and you see that in movies & tv shows about them, such as Vikings with Lagertha’s Shieldmaidens. Part of the appeal is having leaders who are willing to die by your side and for the glory of the people. I know this is a romantic idealisation. Academics writing on medievalism are quite to criticise those who find anything endearing about political cultures in the Middle Ages.
I’m Australian. We had a federal election earlier this year; Scott Morrison lost. And he just left and didn’t even seem sad or bothered about it, like there was nothing at stake, no loss of vision or anything. A few weeks earlier, I watch The Northman, and it’s all about lineage, tradition, home, family, vengeance and the afterlife. Wouldn’t want to live in early medieval Iceland. But gosh, the Vikings fascinate me!
Allison Barrows
1 year ago
Oh, “we live in an age that romanticises children and seeks to shield them from sights and ideas we consider morally harmful”, do we? Is that why little children are taken to drag shows, or are encouraged by their teachers and even some parents to surgically mutilate themselves? Seen the tatted, pierced, pink-haired children screaming at and spitting on adults they’re indoctrinated into hating? Where has this guy been?
Emre S
1 year ago
So here now we go from extreme forms of Wokeist piety to celebrating raiders and enslavers. It’s a false dichotomy.
Simon Melville
1 year ago
Well said Dominic: “open some recent books and you find yourself ploughing through long, earnest paragraphs about their radical attitudes to gender fluidity and hitherto unappreciated enthusiasm for Islamic decoration”
They were noted by every culture they encountered as being very violent – the modern reinterpretation that we should view them as misunderstood, wandering goldsmiths is swinging the pendulum too far the other way.
Carmen Carmen
1 year ago
What we learn from this article is that the author is some type of viking historian and he doesn’t like “woke”. Interesting how this single word, invented for the purpose of demeaning certain type of people (add attributes here), is being used and overused with no end in sight. Here “woke” apparently means “hypocritical pious”. According to the woke general definition of today’s culture war those poor unsuspecting hard working monks are hardly “woke”. But nevermind, don’t waste an opportunity to further condemn “the woke”. At this rate of expansion, I predict that we are all going to be “woke” some day, and then what?
Amanda Kenwrick
1 year ago
The whitewashing of Viking raisers is ridiculous. One only has to read Egilssaga to learn that the violent behaviour of their children was accepted. As to those who came later to trade, farm and settle, this in no way changed their essential character. They were, in all probability, Christian out of practicality. The Scandinavian countries only accepted Christianity to prevent being invaded by the rulers of the Holy Roman Empire. In Iceland, silver casting moulds have been found that combine the Christian cross with the Thor Hammer. Seafarers thought that whilst the. Christian god might be OK to pray to on land, only Thor controlled the seas and weather.
Steve Elliott
1 year ago
Everything you need to know about Vikings can be found in the 1958 film “The Vikings” with Tony Curtis and Kirk Douglas. Excellent.
Margaret Donaldson
1 year ago
Mr Sandbrook’s remarks about slavery reminded me of a very unfashionable way of dealing with our illegal immigrant problem. And Europe’s too. Slavery is primarily an economic structure. We can’t afford to look after all these illegal immigrants, we certainly can’t kill them or destroy the boats. But we could enslave them for seven years so they can earn their keep. Does Unherd have a writer who can go through the economic and social implications of this? It must be borne in mind that unless we want to make our immigration laws meaningless, we are going to have to do something.
Ian Stewart
1 year ago
Jeez Dominic…..”Ragnar raises his voice in one last, defiant song. “I am ready to die,” he roars. “The servants of Odin are calling me home. With the gods by my side I shall drink my ale. My days are done; my life is over. Laughing shall I die!” And then he does die. But what a way to bow out!”
You realise you’re also celebrating the suicide cult of Islamist jihadist mass murderers….”Allahu Akbar” is their preferred, and much briefer, declaration to the afterlife I believe on the point of immolation of themselves and their victims.
I expect little Islamic children in their madrasahs, bored with lessons about religious rules, also glory in the tales of the deaths of westerners, with gory beheadings and all. Do we smile approvingly at that too?
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Tony Conrad
1 year ago
Dominic keeps using the phrase like us. I beg to differ and don’t believe in smashing peoples facing in and taking sex where you can get it. I would say speak for yourself Dominic not for us or at least not me. I don’t believe life has to end in unspeakable disaster. To me it seems like a hopeless cruel way of living. Like us? Not on y our life.
Paula G
1 year ago
Oh, thank goodness they were Christians, those “God-botherers,” and not N words or P words or all the people whose feelings one is sensitive to!
Can the author point out the hypocrisy of these monks? Show me their weakness, when they fasted every day, and ate food you could not commit to eating for a week, you strong, modern and entirely unhypocritical writer? Also, contrary to the statement of the current Pope, they most likely kept to their vows of chastity, as do most BELIEVING Christian clergy.
Obviously, you need people to buy your book, so you are happy when children exhibit more bloodlust. Wouldn’t it be great if these children were never to become “hypocritical,” but well and truly let out their real emotions and slayed a few folks, unlike non-hypocritical, but rational, self-controlled, and sensitive to the integrity of others monks?
Who is the hypocrite, reveling in the bloodlust of children, when he wouldn’t ever let his bloodlust out? You mock the monks, for their self control, rather than acknowledging you yourself had to reign yours in. No, it is the “Godbotherers” who are hypocrites, and not yourself.
Thanks also for the casual denigration. Enjoy your tea, your wine in a plastic skull, and the new copies of your book sold today.
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Paula G
1 year ago
On what planet were the Vikings so informed about the hypocrisy of the monks they were about to invade? Yeah, let’s get them, they thought, hearing on social media all about their Godbothering. Best informed. Slaying the right guys. Those Vikings sound pretty woke, this writer would let you surmise.
Yes, all a lark, not serious, but still choosing sides, and coming down hard against Christians, in a jokey, woke way.
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Brian Villanueva
1 year ago
The important question isn’t whether children enjoy reading about beheadings and pretending to be Viking slave masters. The important question is not whether this is fun, but whether this is good. Children enjoy playing Grand Theft Auto too, but that doesn’t make it a good idea.
It’s not good, it’s not bad, it just is.
I had a good collection of toy soldiers, having inherited those of older brothers. Despite hours spent smashing those little figures into each other, arranging devious ambushes etc. none of us grew up to become violent killers.
As for the Vikings … as I’m about to undergo my fourth hand operation (the ‘Viking gene’) I feel I should be demanding compensation from the Danish government. There were my Hamilton ancestors, quietly minding their own British business, until, obviously, a pack of raping & pillaging Vikings arrived on the scene, leaving me to suffer the consequences.
True, that! I have a very good Swedish mate who lives in Stockholm. I cherish him dearly, but I do have to remind him every now and then, that his people stole my g.g.g.g.g grandmother, kicking and screaming, or perhaps whooping and chortling at the sheer blonde hunkiness, all the way into the longboat. And I’d like her back, please.
I agree that playing with toy soldiers is innocuous and common. Playing “war” doesn’t mean you’re going to become a Navy Seal. Chasing girls on the playground when you’re 9 doesn’t portend being a rapist. Playing cops and robbers doesn’t mean you’re going to grow up to rob banks (or fight crime.)
But there are lots of things we do worry about children being exposed to, precisely because their brains are more fluid. Maybe we worry too much about things like Grand Theft Auto or Drag Queen Story Hour… but we do worry about them. So I find the uncritical acceptance of children practicing their beheading and enslavement skills kind of weird.
BTW: Go for it! Sue the Danes! Demand Vik-arations. 🙂
Aaron James
1 year ago
I do not care to read this – but could guess how it goes; modern culture has two loves, two passions – Woke and Satanism – you might think that pair are a bit incongruous, but they are flip sides of the same coin.
Sadistic Death Cult.
Naturally it will be loved by the entertainment and education industries.
Do bear in mind that the Wokerati consider no fate too unkind for those who challenge them, no matter how mildly or long ago. Theirs is not a rational position.
rob clark
1 year ago
Thanks for what is no doubt a more accurate take on this time period. A refreshing escape from the “1619” revisionist history lessons some of our more “enlightened” folks preach here in the States.
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Caroline Watson
1 year ago
There are still plenty of them out in Newcastle on a Friday night, much to the displeasure of the sanctimonious cyclists on the City Council!
John Dellingby
1 year ago
I think Dominic is onto something, especially around gaming. With AC Valhalla for example, it is a vision into another time that we can interact with in a safe manner without having to face any of the real consequences. Although that said, the game did berate me once for accidentally killing a monk during a raid on an Abbey which makes me think if the developers are utterly naive or more likely, it was too difficult to distinguish monks from revaluation civilians from a design perspective.
I think there’s also an attraction to how ancient and different they are too. Staying with gaming, this hit me with the first Rome Total War game where the empires and kingdoms the player can play as are so different to the modern era that it may as well be a fantasy game to all intents and purposes on a level of Tolkien for example.
Michael Furse
1 year ago
As DS has discussed at length with Tom Holland on their excellent podcast, since the Vikings travelled extensively down the Dnieper and became the Kievan Rus, before going on to populate Western Russia, you can mount a robust argument that they are still at it.
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David Fawcett
1 year ago
The closest modern parallel to the longboats of Vikings (looting, pillaging) are the rubber dinghies of Albanians who come to strip us of our wealth, and deal in drugs and slaves. There are billions of pounds Sterling being funnelled back to Albania, just like the gold and jewels that were stripped out of the Lindisfarne monastery. Back in those days we had King Alfred, who at least held the Vikings at bay for a while. Back in the present, there are no leaders, political or military, to push back the Albanians. We could have Suella Braverman, if she wasn’t so hampered by a footdragging Civil Service and her cowardly colleagues in the Tory party.
Matt Poling
1 year ago
Christianity will defeat the west’s 21st century barbarians as well. We have a 2,000 year track record. Check back on Tuesday for a scoring update!
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1 year ago
I suspect young boys prefer the blood thirsty tales a bit more than the young girls,(none mentioned in the article) but I could be wrong !
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James Kirk
1 year ago
From what I’ve read the Norsemen were community minded with a tendency to fish and farm, the third wave of their invasion. They were successful and had many testosterone fuelled young men like our football hooligans and marching students. Useful recruits for expansionist ambitions, stick them on a longship and get them out of the civic hair. Shame we ran out of new worlds, Australia and hundreds of years of French enmity. Shame about Mars. Cold and airless with Science requiring too much effort.
Samuel Ross
1 year ago
Hmm . . . a curious race. But so very human, at the heart of it all!
Peter Beard
1 year ago
I liked this article. Dominic is encouraging us not to feel guilty about our inherent fascination with our physical inclinations such as dominance and war, it is probably one of our evolutionary driving forces.
I can recall my Catholic education attempting to make me feel guilty about sex outside of a properly blessed Roman Catholic wedding. It was of course all tosh, and my lack of guilt hasn’t made me a sex maniac. Neither does my MMA black belt, which was huge fun to train for, make me a homicidal maniac.
I have no time for the pious puritans who oppressed the people with their self-righteousness. I do however sympathise with their victims, and I hope they continue to obtain a little merriment and comfort from the grisly evisceration of their self-serving tormentors.
James Gray
1 year ago
Most of these serious responders are really just missing the joke, aren’t they? Or are they in fact “proving” the joke? Thanks for this fun piece, Dominic.
I agree, I thought it was a great piece written in a very entertaining way!
Dr. G Marzanna
1 year ago
It’s funny because absolutely true. At 5 I found a book of Norse myths and abandoned Chrisianity then and there and have been a happy pagan ever since.
US Military Parent
1 year ago
Freddie,
The post-Covid era is breaking down at Unherd. I am interested in the 80% stuff, not this nonsense. Please fix.
Agreed!
Let’s have some stuff about what the ‘Chinks’ are up to in Hong Kong, the Israelis on the West Bank, and what is about to happen in the US of A, for starters.
Iris C
1 year ago
A terrific article! Grimm also knew that children wanted dashing heroes and quaking horror, giving it to them in his fairy tales.
On a more sober note, I think that our desire (enforced by the state) to shield our children from hardships is one of the reasons why so many suffer from mental disturbances when they have to face reality out in the big, bad world. . .
Fafa Fafa
1 year ago
“And the people they really, really hated were pious, hypocritical do-gooders who were always telling them to behave themselves. So they weren’t so different from us, after all.” Very clever…
This was a fun and enjoyable read, albeit I was surprised to hear that the monks kept slaves on Lindisfarne. Perhaps the Vikings were just rescuing them? Seriously though, a ‘thumpingly’ good start to my Saturday morning. More please.
Jürg Gassmann
1 year ago
This article was a welcome palate-cleanser to the Unheard piece I just read…
T Fisher
1 year ago
I went to one of those touring Viking exhibitions a few years back. It was almost comical how the creators had tried to balance their emphasis on “multicultural trading links and lovely brooch-making” with their efforts to portray Viking women as every bit the warriors as the men.
This omits the perhaps inconvenient truth that in England at least they eventually settled down, became Christian in many cases, got married to locals, started working on the family farm and ended up to all intents and purposes English. Boring perhaps but apparently happy.
In other words most became WOKE, a necessary anti- chamber for ultimate decadence?
Sweden for example.
Not clear why this has five downvotes. Why don’t the downvoters state what their problem is. Oh…..
I don’t see the connection between Christianity and being woke.
I don’t think there is a connection but if you are anti-Christian and you want to attract others to your view, maybe you assume the connection with wokeness. This assumed connection works the other way as well – hence the downvotes.
If your hero was, say, Winston Churchill because he got things done, he must have been a Viking – and you as well. If your hero was a wimp but was a very, very nice person, he and you must be wokes.
I think we need something like the Beaufort wind scale. We could then take all politicians (and Christians) and grade them on a 1-10 basis. 1 would be a super-Viking and 10 a super-woke.
Boris Johnson?
How can a woke be super?
You make some good points, but I don’t see the Woke as anything “nice”. After my friend got murdered as a cop in the line of duty, the Woke showed up and they screamed at his mother “I hope all cops burn in hell!”. Don’t fall for their ‘nice’ gaslighting. They’re sadistic, vicious scum.
Not all of them. You are talking about an unpleasant fanatic minority, who by the way exist on both sides of the political spectrum (though I’ve argued it isn’t really a one-dimensional spectrum). Are the majority of the American electorate, having voted for Joe Biden, woke? If you describe anyone you disagree with as ‘sadistic vicious scum’ you are dehumanising them, contributing to.polarisation and ultimately the breakdown of your own society.
Like most one dimensional linear scales in human affairs and politics, it would be too simplistic. Was Liz Truss right wing? Well she was arguably on economics, but not on immigration policy! So Left and Right, the essentialist meanings of are for ever being disputed on this forum, are simplistic labels to say the least. We need more dimensions.
In Tom Holland’s book Dominion he argues that the relationship is pretty linear and straightforward. Well worth a read, can’t do it justice here.
Agree, Holland is basically describing “secular Christianity,” or Christian values without a God. This is what Western egalitarianism basically is — and the “woke” movement is absolutely a result.
You can be “woke” and have a very definite idea of the Christian God. The current pope of the Roman Catholic Church is an example. Not all “Christians” are Republicans.
Most modern secular values are ultimately derived from Christian values. Charity becomes the welfare state. Humility is transformed into things like diversity and tolerance. Turning the other cheek is pacifism and opposition to war. Mercy is rehabilitating criminals, opposing the death penalty, etc. I could easily go on, but most of secularism is just Christianity without God and reconfigured to suit the needs of today’s ruling class, who find the values useful but the notion of a higher authority than themselves unhelpful.
Agree, with the caveat that without that “higher authority” — meaning, without any coherent philosophy or belief system, modern egalitarianism is nihilistic and, from a social evolution perspective, completely dysgenic.
Christianity/egalitarianism is a perfect example of a once-eugenic cultural trait that, in a changed world (global, technological) has become suddenly dysgenic. It should be discarded, but unfortunately our philosophers have failed us, and no coherent belief system has yet arisen to replace it.
To see Christianity’s failures in the modern world, consider that increasing obsession with equality means the end of empire, the acceptance of multiculturalism and globalism and mass migration, the rapid and exogenous technological development of the Third World leading to overpopulation in Africa and Asia, acceptance of degenerate social movements and behaviors, etc. All of this weakens the race (a biological-cultural construct.) If we do not extirpate egalitarianism quickly, the races not afflicted with the attendant uncertainty and nihilism will replace us: the non-egalitarian Muslims, the atheist Chinese, etc.
What coherent belief system would you imagine should replace Christianity? Some Nietzsche-like will to power philosophy, something like Chinese collectivism, objectivism like Ayn Rand. It seems a lot of attempts have been made to replace Christianity and none have really succeeded. Some of the attempts to replace Christianity (Nazism, Communism) have caused a great deal of suffering and loss of life. Maybe that should tell us something.
Institutionalized Christianity also “caused a great deal of suffering and loss of life” (ever heard of the Thirty Years War?)–just not recently.
I think that’s true of institutionalized anything. I believe when humans think and act collectively, as a group, the results are usually bad. I think people are at their best when they act as individuals and respect one another as individuals, and the best way I’ve heard that stated is treat your neighbor as you would have him treat you.
So is voluntary neighborliness a sort of collective-minded individuality? Nihilistic self-indulgence, for example, is quite individualistic Hospitals and schools are not built with singlehanded efforts.
So do we need individual or collective efforts? The obvious answer: Yes, we do. Any attempt to place virtue or right-mindedness squarely in either the individual or collective camp quickly becomes too reductive or riddled with exceptions to mean much. However, I’d contend that Western societies face little danger of overly communal or even unselfish prevailing attitudes these days.
That was more a reaction of German princes against a big landowner, the Church, to expropriate its wealth. Quite similar to the ransacking of temples by Julius Caesar to finance his plundering campaigns.
If you want to be cynical – people great and small did actually believe in the Catholic and Protestant causes. But yes, the adoption of Lutheranism gave princes the chance and excuse to expropriate the huge lands of the medieval church and keep it themselves or allocate it to their supporters.
Unfortunately ‘woke’ is probably the nearest thing to it, though possibly only half the population subscribe to some of it at the moment. The right wing attempts to find some sort of replacement ideology appear to be largely incoherent, anachronistic and even laughable (Catholic integralism?!).
I fear we are in a similar cultural period in the West, where the old paganism was replaced by Christianity over decades. There was some coercion, but more it was young people just imbibing the ideas from an early age and it becoming completely natural.
Like the Vikings, the Muslim and the Chinese see Western civilization’s ruin via wokeism for what it is – artificial empowering of something that has no true power. Just like the Vikings did via violence, the Chinese are “calling the Western bluff” via economic and political devastating blows. Morally I also loath China’s dictator and the horrible abuses of the Muslim leaders, but (just like the Vikings) they know where to hit us. I love Western culture and fear that unless it takes a dose of humility and acknowledge that it has been led astray by wokeism, it will meet the same fate as the Lindisfarne islanders. Reality never cared for morality.
Reality never cared for morality? Surely Vikings, Mongols, Muslims and pre-Christian Romans all had their own moral codes – albeit very unwoke codes.
True, but we are all on here, whatever our political differences, imbibed in specifically Western morality and ethics, not, for example, extolling and paying homage to our ancestors, as the Chinese do.
Brilliant analysis!
I would add fascist, ultra-nationalist Russia to China and the Ummah, as well as Hindu-fanatic India, with its obscene caste system (the antithesis of equality).
I think your endless use of the term ‘eugenic’ makes your views very suspect indeed. There is absolutely no such biological concept as ‘weakening the race’, except perhaps by intensive inbreeding. That was that famously engaged in by the Hapsburgs with baleful medical consequences to them, who were practising of course the precise opposite of miscegenation.
And I also question the idea that ‘egalitarianism’ is truly a driving principle of the modern West, albeit there is a mass of hypocrisy and virtue signalling on the issue. Why do we have today some of the highest levels of inequality seen in Western societies with the top 0.1% gaining ever more in wealth? At least, it seems a pretty ineffective form of egalitarianism. At least Mao largely succeeded in that, even if using utter brutality to do so!
Most? I’d say all.
“Woke” is basically equality-obsession.
The Christians are absolutely equality-obsessed. See St. Paul’s edict that “there is neither man nor woman… but all are equal in the sight of God”.
The “woke” moment is maybe best understood as a kind of secular Christian revival. “Secular Christianity” is not an oxymoron btw — it is basically Christian values (mostly “equality”) without any deity.
This is not an original analysis, you can find it all over the internet.
Indeed, I was trying to recall where I read that communism was radical Christianity “shorn of its god”. Popper perhaps?
Equal in the sight of God is like equality under the law, and is quite different from the obsession with “equity” that the woke faith has.
Without a Deity, without humility, without recognizing the sacrifice and the promise of eternal life…without seeing the system and the promise and the utility and sense of well being and security from believing…one goes into one’s own sense of one’s own power and gets into conflict…One can’t get religious here, but, try studying for a year, and preying…deliberately misspelled so as not to offend the algorithm…and see what you believe. Lots of resources out there online. Really give it twenty minutes a day, study and preying.
Sure. There is a permanent conflict between equality (from Zarathustra, Gautama, Jesus) and a caste/class system.
The ‘woke’ movement try to sell equality but hardly attacks the concentration of wealth. It actually diverts attention to absurd issues such as the privileges of ultra-minorities: transgender people (actually a bunch of individuals) and other oddities. They are working to set up the foundation of a caste system in which people are classified according to weird ethnic and gender abstractions. At the end, a transgender would have more privileged than a white man or a woman fighting for gender parity.
There is none!
Woke =identity politics, so not very Christian or Viking.
There’s no connection at all unless you are a woolly type of Christian that just wants to please the world.
The current pope of the Roman Catholic Church most certainly does see a connection, and he’s the head of the largest Christian denomination on earth.
Are you kidding me? Wokeness is just a subset of a universalist morality, which is equitarian. It’s just Christian morality, secularized and with supernatural beliefs removed, and taken to the logical end. (Jesus didn’t have it quite right.)
Wokeness is closer to Chuang Tzu, who believed he was a butterfly.
There is a long evolving cultural connection, as well argued by Tom Holland and others. Firstly the idea that we should ipso facto have pity and concern for the weak and the poor was a very Christian (perhaps Jewish before that, but certainly Christian) innovation. That was revolutionary. Neither the Romans nor the Vikings would have had any idea what you were talking about. Even slaves wanted to be free themselves or possibly slave owners, not to abolish slavery. The concept that every human soul had value (including women) was unique and new.
Then we had in Western Christendom the state / church split, initially over the Investiture Contest, which had a profound effect on political institutions and dispersed authority, leading to the possibility of free cities, institutions and societies not completely under the thumb of a King or Emperor. And in the long run, political liberalism, which certainly did not arise in China or the Muslim world. (It was very different however in the Orthodox East, where church and state were much more closely linked).
We had eventually, the ever expanding of the ‘circle of concern’ from family to neighbours, to countrymen, to slaves, to women, to people of a different race, to homosexuals, to…. trans people. You can see how we got there, though it’s a complex and convoluted story.
The good thing about the Vikings is that they are long in the past so that “Hope not Hate” won’t be persecuting this author for Vikingophobia.
A safe bet that no website will be publishing an equivalent page about the history (and currency) of a certain other group with equal if not greater brutality and alternative values.
Such is our “free world”. Sad.
As they did in Normandy……hence, over here, we are Normands……men from the north.
Within one generation, old Norsk wasn’t spoken anymore and the heritage of this era can be found in farmers blue eyes …… we are very proud of this heritage…..Barfleur before being besieged by Henry the V was founded by Norwegian Vikings and their legacy went in with the traveling bug which sent them to conquering England, settling in Sicily and Palestine …..
That’s not his point though. He’s talking mainly about the visceral savagery of the Viking raids, not the subsequent settlements. Although those were hardly bastions of politeness either. Plenty of evidence for capital punishment, public display of decapitated heads etc in Viking towns like Dublin
I’m 10% Viking apparently, Scots/German/Irish Catholic the rest. English through and through.
You can be both. I think they were basically farmers who went raiding from time to time for fun and profit. One theory of how English lost its gendered words is that it is essentially a pidgin language created because there were so many Danish fathers married to local girls. They essentially dumbed down the local language grammar so it was easier to learn.
I got my hair cut the other day in a barber shop in Cape Town run by a woman, who told me within minutes that she embraced her ADHD. She didn’t stop chatting the whole time, which I usually hate. But she told a fascinating story about young men wanting the Viking cut – basically a reverse mullet, with shaven sides and long on the top. Like they imagine Viking warriors might have looked. This woman was adamant that the growing of beards, as well as this so-called warrior style, even the ghastly man-bun, was all an attempt to reclaim some sort of imagined masculinity. Something in short supply, especially for young men trying to define themselves. Very interesting chat. She flatly refused to cut womans’ hair, she said, as it was too traumatic an experience. With men, apparently, you cut the hair and the man will be grateful and out he walks. But with women, you cut the hair, and in doing so, tweak her personality. So this woman claimed.
Most interesting. Unherd columist Naama Kata releasted a podcast (no 87) a few weeks back that sheds light on this. She intereviewed a young South African incel who argued along the lines of feminism having perverse effects at least in the big 3 cities 0 CT, Johanessberg & Durban. With the relatively feminised men finding no woman would want to date them, while hyper masculine men enjoying mutliple relationships, often leaving multiple baby mothers in their wake.
Interesting. Go figure that human biology persists to this day.
I think it is a perverse attraction with women left on their own saddled with a child or two. The one’s I have seen live for a visit from the father whilst at the same time he is doing the same to other women.
Therefore, hyper masculine men behave as bastards and create shitholes. Denmark and Sweden are far better under female leaderships than Johannesburg – a very dangerous city, Pakistan, Somalia or any other country ran by gangs of violent men.
What she was describing is a Mohawk, a haircut attributed to the Mohawks of what is now eastern Canada. They were/are very well known for serious effectiveness in battle.
And nothing is left from them except a funny haircut.
Not sure how much direct evidence there is that Vikings “really, really hated” pious, hypocritical do-gooders. Christians generally well know we don’t consistently embody the virtues we uphold. Yet it was Christians who converted the Vikings, not the other way round. Granted, sometimes largely due to superior valour & force of arms. But often it was entirely peaceful, with slaves and other low status Christians converting pagan majority areas just by their words, Love & the example of their fine character. Probably too by the grace of the Holy Spirit.
Much as we should never forget the horrors of war, especially in these times, good though to have this reminder of how thrilling & appealing conflict can be, especially to children. A personal fave as a lad was ‘Twilight of the Grey Gods’. A retelling of the Battle of Clontarf emphasizing the defeat of the Norse spiritual entities by the Triumphant Christ (And the fictional Odin even seemned to willingly aquiesce to this). Good luck with the book old sport.
The ‘Vikings’ ultimately failed to stamp out Christianity in the British Isle, despite making a valiant effort.
Come back Eric Bloodaxe & Co, all is forgiven.
Careful what you wish for, Charles
“They saw the world as a dark, cold, cruel place: a place of terrible savagery and dreadful misfortune,…”
No wonder some saw Christianity as a light to be drawn to.
Christianity brings hope to the hopeless. As the western world slides ever farther into hopelessness I expect that Christ and His people will be there offering eternal hope.
Alfred the Great was a christian who stood up to the Vikings. They were unable to overcome him by force of arms and it was a case of thus far and no further.
I suggest a future episode of Doctor Who in which Greta Thunberg is transported back in time to be judged by her Viking forebears. Should be a ratings smash hit.
“the Vikings . . . .like us, lived in an intensely dangerous, competitive world, where rival warlords struggled for resources.”
Where does Dominic Sandbrook live ? Britain today is not “intensely dangerous”.
Ukraine, Yemen, Afghanistan – Yes.
Britain – No.
The popularity of virtual extreme violence as entertainment is more likely due to boredom and a comparatively easy life. The first half of the last century was full of the reality of extreme violence and our parents and grandparents generations were sick of it. In the 21st century glorifying and revelling in it in the abstract, as the article seems to do, is only rational when you are certain you are not going to end up being hung, drawn and quartered (for example) somewhere down the line.
Ever been to South London?
I grew up there, spent the last 2 years of my time there living on an estate on Brixton Hill.
For young black youths it is dangerous I grant you.
And ‘Deliveroo drivers’ sadly.
I was beaten up just using a park loo in S London.
“The popularity of virtual extreme violence as entertainment is……”
…..because our society has become dominated by the sick profitmaking culture of giant corporations.
Ah yes! The evil giant corporations are at fault. That’s the problem. Such as the Coen Brothers and most of the Hollywood studios and actors and their various unions. Certainly not the deviants who purchase this material by the billions of dollars?
I agree Warren.
I am sure it desencitises violence. It cannot be good.
If you are having to compare Britain to Ukraine to make the case it’s not actually that dangerous then already it’s proof that there’s something wrong. I’m often surprised how low quality of life (e.g. crime, anti-social behaviour etc) is normalised in the UK due to lowered expectations.
I think we are often fooled into thinking our country is more dangerous than it is. According to the Global Peace Index with Afghanistan at number 1, Yemen 2, Syria 3 the most dangerous, and Iceland at number 163, New Zealand 162, Ireland 161 the safest, (the US is at 35) UK is 130 (Italy 132), not so bad.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-dangerous-countries
“intensely dangerous” we are not.
Having said that, it would be good to be even safer.
If you examine the methodology of that index you quote, you’ll see that if a country defunds its policy force and lets everyone out of its prisons it would become safer. Does that remind you of something?
I cannot find any evidence for that assertion. Here is the pdf of the Global Peace Index Methodology pages, (page 81 – 83) https://visionofhumanity.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/GPI-2022-web.pdf.
See pages 81-83 in that document you link (was 75-77 in the previous year’s). The weighted additive factors include incarceration rate and police rate as weighted factors with similar weights to perceptions of crime and homicide rates. So if perceptions of crime or homicide rates rise (about) an equal amount alongside a drop in the number of police officers that’s a net zero.
But that is you personally coming to a conclusion on a hypothetical set of numbers. Also your equation isolates 4(?) indicators and leaves out the effect of all the other 19 indicators, no sensible, honest researcher would do that. Perhaps the index could be, or is used in that way by hostile actors but I don’t think the GPI sets out to enable such people.
It is a useful index imo.
No doubt they had pure intentions creating this index, but still they’ve created something that behaves just the way I describe above. As for the other indicators, they’re no different. Taken together, this index boils down to saying fewer weapons and police makes a country safer. Very Woke and well-meaning on the surface of it, yet that’s an ideological position they take, it’s not a fact.
Britain is, apparently, a place in which lawyers argue that there is any conceivable legal reason for owning, let alone carrying a machete.
One thing that I have never understood is why people think it is OK to glorify, celebrate, or make fun out of medieval violence and gore. Think London Dungeon. We should, certainly, try and understand what went on, and comprehend the all to human impulse for violence, martial glory, and gore that the kids cited in this article expressed. But making out that instruments of excruciating physical torture and pain are all part of a goofy, fun “fright experience” (just £29 per adult if you buy online, folks!)? There is something very detached about that. Ironically, perhaps, the more distant and alien to ourselves we portray medieval violence, the less we are able to interrogate in a moral frame and the less we might learn from it ourselves. It reinforces our delusion that we live in ahistorical times.
What we should be telling those kids is that anyone is capable of doing what the Vikings did and it’s only by diligent, conscientious, vigilant protection, nurturing and gradual, incremental reform of our Christian-heritage moral code and societal norms that we can stop such degeneration into “might is right”. After all, I’m sure the little girl who wanted “more beheading” might think it fit to revise her view if it were put to her that it could easily be her Mummy or Daddy who was on the chopping block. These days that would probably land you with a court order or something, but it might teach her lesson worth learning!
You’ll never get most children to empathise with what previous generations of the past went through in anything like how an adult can. Explain Alexander the Great or Caesar to them and they’re usually far more interested in the battles and conquests, not the lives of people that were turned upside down by having their homes destroyed and being sold into slavery or killed as a result of said conquests. Similar for me with WWII when I was a fairly young child. I wasn’t particularly interested in evacuees, the Blitz, Babyn Yar, the fate of POW’s captured by Japan etc until I was at least a few years older and my mind could somewhat comprehend those horrors.
At the end of the day, children develop very quickly as people, but there’s a lot there to develop and it’s naive I think to assume people with an age of only one digit will understand these horrors fully. Better to teach them the “cool” stuff which can then trigger an interest in the more brutal reality.
True, but I think you can jolt them to at least think about the consequences and real world implications of the “cool” stuff by personalising the experience, eg what if it were your best friend who got gunned down in a battle etc. How would you feel? They might not look into it all in more detail until they are older but inculcating a narrative that there was this stuff that happened in the past, it was kind of gory, kind of cool, kind of scary, but that’s all gone now is, I believe wrong and dangerous.
Perhaps if Stephen King’s 13 year old antagonist Todd Bowden in his Apt Pupil had had the “gooshy parts” of concentration camp guard Dussender’s past contextualised and personalised for him at a younger age things might not have turned out as they did in that very clever morality tale.
Doubt the Vikings bothered with such civilised apparatus as a chopping block!
I mostly agree with you. And it highlights the sheer hypocrisy/ignorance of those who preach that a world void of religion will finally bring peace.
Warren, I think that those who foresee peace as the outcome of Christianity do not see that as a result of mankind’s actions or actions but, rather, as the result of the Biblical account of the world ending being true. If it is not (and, of course, if it is!) Pascal’s equation operates!
Funny how effete, do-gooder Christians defeated them on the battlefield (eg that Christian king Alfred) when they were organised and not caught off-guard by hit and run raids on defenceless monks and villagers, to kidnap and sell (how noble and courageous). Christian missionaries cast out their demons, healed their sick, preached redemption and hope. They confronted their gods who demanded human sacrifice. It’s pretty courageous to go defenceless to people who may torture then slaughter you for fun. Never get TV lionising them. The Christ they and the Saxons embraced was the Warrior Who defeated Satan and his myrmidons through his heroic death and resurrection. It’s wokeism that distorts history, romanticising indigenous cultures that were horrifically abusive. Wokeists see Christianity as the enemy, at least its biblical form tho having borrowed some of its value system such as equality (before God), human worth (Vikings couldn’t have cared less about people not in their clan or class, like pagan Romans) and justice before the law (a la Tom Holland’s Dominion).
Nietzscheans (who are the opposite of Wokesters) also see “Christianity as the enemy.”
I’m afraid you misread the relationship between wokeness and Nietzsche. The woke are the idiot children of the Frankfurt School, Gramsci, Foucault and a host of anti- and post-colonialist thinkers who bought Lenin’s provably wrong imperialism theory wholesale, but somewhere along the way in that mostly Marxist pedigree, a bit of Nietzsche’s thought crept in in the form of trans-valuation of values: the woke by and large accept old racist (and sexist) stereotypes, but declare the qualtiies that use to be slurs to be proofs of the superiority of the marginalized (e.g. women being less rationals becoms ‘womyn’s ways of knowing”, people of African ancestry have superior musical sense, a gloss on “got rhythm”,..)
Do Nigerian children thrill to stories of their ancestors going out and raiding other tribes to enslave them and sell them to the white man? Presumably if they do the assumption is that they will be the ones doing the enslaving rather than being enslaved just as the English children seem to work on this assumption.
I don’t believe we are allowed to state that truth anymore. It doesn’t conform to the narrative.
Probably. I don’t think the validity of the insight into childhood Sir James M. Barrie expressed in the phrase “innocent and heartless” is confined to European children.
Interesting read, Mr. Sandbrook clearly knows his stuff. But I disagree with the premise that modern wokists find the Vikings’ violent depravity at all unpleasant or ‘problematic’. I’ve met quite a few who idolise them, sometimes because of the violence instead of despite it. And the simple reason is that their crimes were mostly perpetrated against Christians, and they themselves were not. They’re given allowance for all the slavery and human sacrifice as it was ‘just their culture’, and their raids and plundering are always seemingly couched in an almost defensive language, in that they were simply retaliating against those awful imperialistic Christians. I once had a friend who, not only adopted the worship of Odin and his pantheon and claimed himself to be pagan, but very earnestly and frankly angrily declared to me that the means by which Vikingdom was largely converted peacefully to the worship of Christ, the adapting of Norse customs and traditions and integration into Christian teachings to encourage and ease conversion, was tantamount to ‘cultural rape’ and was far worse than anything, including actual rape, the Vikings ever did to Christians. In other words those monks were asking for it.
Most wokists seem perfectly ok with violence, so long as it’s done to a person belonging to a group they dislike. In that way they’re just as tribalistic as the Vikings, just more obnoxious and hypocritical than they were about it.
The author seems to be unaware that there is a fundamental difference between “woke” and Christianity.
Christianity teaches that mankind is precisely LIKE the Vikings. The victims at Lindisfarne lived in a world very similar to that of the Vikings, where might made right. Indeed, despite recent attempts to ignore or “correct” the written evidence, Anglo-Saxons were just as ruthless when they invaded Britian in the 5th C, as the Vikings were in the 9th C.
The crucial difference is that “woke” people teach a Sub-Marxist theory that argues that anything bad is part of a conspiracy to keep a given evil ruling elite in power. Moreover, since recorded history was written for these evil elites, things like the 1619 Project will automatically make us all better people.
Christianity, on the other hand, teaches that even if you change whoever is in power, and their narrative, it makes no difference. Whoever takes charge won’t act any differently, being inherently “fallen.” “Woke” Silicon Valley entrepreneurs will eventually become as corrupt as 19th C Robber Barons. Mankind by itself just can’t change.
I’d say that explains nearly all of the human behaviour seen in history.
Given that there are 100s of ‘Viking’ place names of settlements all over the Danelaw, does this not mean that the view of the Vikings as primarily raiders is wrong.
Sure there were raids, but there is only so much smash-and-grab that you can do on a population. After a bit you have to stop, plough and grow.
The influence of Viking culture is central to English identity, with some linguists are arguing that modern English is a Viking language-structure with Anglo-saxon vocabulary.
Furthermore, the origins of English individualism , which enabled the Uk to become the first industrialised nation in the 18th century, have their origins in patterns of ownership most common in the ex-Danelaw areas even by 1066.
The rise of York as a European trading centre also suggests that it was trade, not raid which was the predominant Viking contribution.
Thanks to “Black history month” etc obsession and “enrichment” of our culture, few know any White history, least of all how the barbarian warbands eventually killed one another off with the result that the shy and modest agricultural people ended up founding the new civilisation properly called Western Christendom (plus the Celtic and the Eastern ones). Read Arnold Toynbee.
Re. children’s love of violence, Ogden Nash nailed it about ninety years ago..
DON’T CRY, DARLING, IT’S BLOOD ALL RIGHT
Whenever poets want to give you the idea that something is particularly meek and mild,
They compare it to a child,
Thereby proving that though poets with poetry may be rife
They don’t know the facts of life.
If of compassion you desire either a tittle or a jot,
Don’t try to get it from a tot.
Hard-boiled, sophisticated adults like me and you
May enjoy ourselves thoroughly with Little Women and Winnie-the-Pooh,
But innocent infants these titles from their reading course eliminate
As soon as they discover that it was honey and nuts and mashed potatoes instead of human flesh that Winnie-the-Pooh and Little Women ate.
Innocent infants have no use for fables about rabbits or donkeys or tortoises or porpoises,
What they want is something with plenty of well-mutilated corpoises.
Not on legends of how the rose came to be a rose instead of a petunia is their fancy fed,
But on the inside story of how somebody’s bones got ground up to make somebody else’s bread.
They go to sleep listening to the story of the little beggarmaid who got to be queen by being kind to the bees and the birds,
But they’re all eyes and ears the minute they suspect a wolf or a giant is going to tear some poor woodcutter into quarters and thirds.
It really doesn’t take much to fill their cup;
All they want is for somebody to be eaten up.
Therefore I say unto you, all you poets who are so crazy about meek and mild little children and their angelic air,
If you are sincere and really want to please them, why just go out and get yourselves devoured by a bear.
10/10 for rhyming corpoises with porpoises! Your poetry deserves a hand even if it doesn’t always scan.
Jim, this sn’t by me: it’s a poem by Ogden Nash (1902-1971), who specialised in humorous verse with absolutely no metrical regularity and full of outrageous rhymes (the latter in the tradition of W.S. Gilbert). He was perfectly capable of writing strictly metrical stuff when he wanted: probably the best known is the verse titled ‘Reflections on Ice-Breaking’, which runs:
“Candy
Is dandy,
But liquor
Is quicker.”
And ‘The Cow’ is pretty famous as well:
“The cow is of the bovine ilk;
One end is moo, the other, milk.”
I grew up in Utah and I loved his poem about Senator Smoot; Republican, Ut; and his war on smut! I had it memorized as a lass.
Yeah and cool names like Olaf & Ragner and such. And w/nicknames like “Harvald the Skullsplitter” that pretty much says it all right?
My knowledge on the Vikings is a bit limited – but I like how the Viking kings fight alongside their men. It’s a very physical culture, and you see that in movies & tv shows about them, such as Vikings with Lagertha’s Shieldmaidens. Part of the appeal is having leaders who are willing to die by your side and for the glory of the people. I know this is a romantic idealisation. Academics writing on medievalism are quite to criticise those who find anything endearing about political cultures in the Middle Ages.
I’m Australian. We had a federal election earlier this year; Scott Morrison lost. And he just left and didn’t even seem sad or bothered about it, like there was nothing at stake, no loss of vision or anything. A few weeks earlier, I watch The Northman, and it’s all about lineage, tradition, home, family, vengeance and the afterlife. Wouldn’t want to live in early medieval Iceland. But gosh, the Vikings fascinate me!
Oh, “we live in an age that romanticises children and seeks to shield them from sights and ideas we consider morally harmful”, do we? Is that why little children are taken to drag shows, or are encouraged by their teachers and even some parents to surgically mutilate themselves? Seen the tatted, pierced, pink-haired children screaming at and spitting on adults they’re indoctrinated into hating? Where has this guy been?
So here now we go from extreme forms of Wokeist piety to celebrating raiders and enslavers. It’s a false dichotomy.
Well said Dominic: “open some recent books and you find yourself ploughing through long, earnest paragraphs about their radical attitudes to gender fluidity and hitherto unappreciated enthusiasm for Islamic decoration”
They were noted by every culture they encountered as being very violent – the modern reinterpretation that we should view them as misunderstood, wandering goldsmiths is swinging the pendulum too far the other way.
What we learn from this article is that the author is some type of viking historian and he doesn’t like “woke”. Interesting how this single word, invented for the purpose of demeaning certain type of people (add attributes here), is being used and overused with no end in sight. Here “woke” apparently means “hypocritical pious”. According to the woke general definition of today’s culture war those poor unsuspecting hard working monks are hardly “woke”. But nevermind, don’t waste an opportunity to further condemn “the woke”. At this rate of expansion, I predict that we are all going to be “woke” some day, and then what?
The whitewashing of Viking raisers is ridiculous. One only has to read Egilssaga to learn that the violent behaviour of their children was accepted. As to those who came later to trade, farm and settle, this in no way changed their essential character. They were, in all probability, Christian out of practicality. The Scandinavian countries only accepted Christianity to prevent being invaded by the rulers of the Holy Roman Empire. In Iceland, silver casting moulds have been found that combine the Christian cross with the Thor Hammer. Seafarers thought that whilst the. Christian god might be OK to pray to on land, only Thor controlled the seas and weather.
Everything you need to know about Vikings can be found in the 1958 film “The Vikings” with Tony Curtis and Kirk Douglas. Excellent.
Mr Sandbrook’s remarks about slavery reminded me of a very unfashionable way of dealing with our illegal immigrant problem. And Europe’s too. Slavery is primarily an economic structure. We can’t afford to look after all these illegal immigrants, we certainly can’t kill them or destroy the boats. But we could enslave them for seven years so they can earn their keep. Does Unherd have a writer who can go through the economic and social implications of this? It must be borne in mind that unless we want to make our immigration laws meaningless, we are going to have to do something.
Jeez Dominic…..”Ragnar raises his voice in one last, defiant song. “I am ready to die,” he roars. “The servants of Odin are calling me home. With the gods by my side I shall drink my ale. My days are done; my life is over. Laughing shall I die!” And then he does die. But what a way to bow out!”
You realise you’re also celebrating the suicide cult of Islamist jihadist mass murderers….”Allahu Akbar” is their preferred, and much briefer, declaration to the afterlife I believe on the point of immolation of themselves and their victims.
I expect little Islamic children in their madrasahs, bored with lessons about religious rules, also glory in the tales of the deaths of westerners, with gory beheadings and all. Do we smile approvingly at that too?
Dominic keeps using the phrase like us. I beg to differ and don’t believe in smashing peoples facing in and taking sex where you can get it. I would say speak for yourself Dominic not for us or at least not me. I don’t believe life has to end in unspeakable disaster. To me it seems like a hopeless cruel way of living. Like us? Not on y our life.
Oh, thank goodness they were Christians, those “God-botherers,” and not N words or P words or all the people whose feelings one is sensitive to!
Can the author point out the hypocrisy of these monks? Show me their weakness, when they fasted every day, and ate food you could not commit to eating for a week, you strong, modern and entirely unhypocritical writer? Also, contrary to the statement of the current Pope, they most likely kept to their vows of chastity, as do most BELIEVING Christian clergy.
Obviously, you need people to buy your book, so you are happy when children exhibit more bloodlust. Wouldn’t it be great if these children were never to become “hypocritical,” but well and truly let out their real emotions and slayed a few folks, unlike non-hypocritical, but rational, self-controlled, and sensitive to the integrity of others monks?
Who is the hypocrite, reveling in the bloodlust of children, when he wouldn’t ever let his bloodlust out? You mock the monks, for their self control, rather than acknowledging you yourself had to reign yours in. No, it is the “Godbotherers” who are hypocrites, and not yourself.
Thanks also for the casual denigration. Enjoy your tea, your wine in a plastic skull, and the new copies of your book sold today.
On what planet were the Vikings so informed about the hypocrisy of the monks they were about to invade? Yeah, let’s get them, they thought, hearing on social media all about their Godbothering. Best informed. Slaying the right guys. Those Vikings sound pretty woke, this writer would let you surmise.
Yes, all a lark, not serious, but still choosing sides, and coming down hard against Christians, in a jokey, woke way.
The important question isn’t whether children enjoy reading about beheadings and pretending to be Viking slave masters. The important question is not whether this is fun, but whether this is good. Children enjoy playing Grand Theft Auto too, but that doesn’t make it a good idea.
It’s not good, it’s not bad, it just is.
I had a good collection of toy soldiers, having inherited those of older brothers. Despite hours spent smashing those little figures into each other, arranging devious ambushes etc. none of us grew up to become violent killers.
As for the Vikings … as I’m about to undergo my fourth hand operation (the ‘Viking gene’) I feel I should be demanding compensation from the Danish government. There were my Hamilton ancestors, quietly minding their own British business, until, obviously, a pack of raping & pillaging Vikings arrived on the scene, leaving me to suffer the consequences.
True, that! I have a very good Swedish mate who lives in Stockholm. I cherish him dearly, but I do have to remind him every now and then, that his people stole my g.g.g.g.g grandmother, kicking and screaming, or perhaps whooping and chortling at the sheer blonde hunkiness, all the way into the longboat. And I’d like her back, please.
I agree that playing with toy soldiers is innocuous and common. Playing “war” doesn’t mean you’re going to become a Navy Seal. Chasing girls on the playground when you’re 9 doesn’t portend being a rapist. Playing cops and robbers doesn’t mean you’re going to grow up to rob banks (or fight crime.)
But there are lots of things we do worry about children being exposed to, precisely because their brains are more fluid. Maybe we worry too much about things like Grand Theft Auto or Drag Queen Story Hour… but we do worry about them. So I find the uncritical acceptance of children practicing their beheading and enslavement skills kind of weird.
BTW: Go for it! Sue the Danes! Demand Vik-arations. 🙂
I do not care to read this – but could guess how it goes; modern culture has two loves, two passions – Woke and Satanism – you might think that pair are a bit incongruous, but they are flip sides of the same coin.
Sadistic Death Cult.
Naturally it will be loved by the entertainment and education industries.
Do bear in mind that the Wokerati consider no fate too unkind for those who challenge them, no matter how mildly or long ago. Theirs is not a rational position.
Thanks for what is no doubt a more accurate take on this time period. A refreshing escape from the “1619” revisionist history lessons some of our more “enlightened” folks preach here in the States.
There are still plenty of them out in Newcastle on a Friday night, much to the displeasure of the sanctimonious cyclists on the City Council!
I think Dominic is onto something, especially around gaming. With AC Valhalla for example, it is a vision into another time that we can interact with in a safe manner without having to face any of the real consequences. Although that said, the game did berate me once for accidentally killing a monk during a raid on an Abbey which makes me think if the developers are utterly naive or more likely, it was too difficult to distinguish monks from revaluation civilians from a design perspective.
I think there’s also an attraction to how ancient and different they are too. Staying with gaming, this hit me with the first Rome Total War game where the empires and kingdoms the player can play as are so different to the modern era that it may as well be a fantasy game to all intents and purposes on a level of Tolkien for example.
As DS has discussed at length with Tom Holland on their excellent podcast, since the Vikings travelled extensively down the Dnieper and became the Kievan Rus, before going on to populate Western Russia, you can mount a robust argument that they are still at it.
The closest modern parallel to the longboats of Vikings (looting, pillaging) are the rubber dinghies of Albanians who come to strip us of our wealth, and deal in drugs and slaves. There are billions of pounds Sterling being funnelled back to Albania, just like the gold and jewels that were stripped out of the Lindisfarne monastery. Back in those days we had King Alfred, who at least held the Vikings at bay for a while. Back in the present, there are no leaders, political or military, to push back the Albanians. We could have Suella Braverman, if she wasn’t so hampered by a footdragging Civil Service and her cowardly colleagues in the Tory party.
Christianity will defeat the west’s 21st century barbarians as well. We have a 2,000 year track record. Check back on Tuesday for a scoring update!
I suspect young boys prefer the blood thirsty tales a bit more than the young girls,(none mentioned in the article) but I could be wrong !
From what I’ve read the Norsemen were community minded with a tendency to fish and farm, the third wave of their invasion. They were successful and had many testosterone fuelled young men like our football hooligans and marching students. Useful recruits for expansionist ambitions, stick them on a longship and get them out of the civic hair. Shame we ran out of new worlds, Australia and hundreds of years of French enmity. Shame about Mars. Cold and airless with Science requiring too much effort.
Hmm . . . a curious race. But so very human, at the heart of it all!
I liked this article. Dominic is encouraging us not to feel guilty about our inherent fascination with our physical inclinations such as dominance and war, it is probably one of our evolutionary driving forces.
I can recall my Catholic education attempting to make me feel guilty about sex outside of a properly blessed Roman Catholic wedding. It was of course all tosh, and my lack of guilt hasn’t made me a sex maniac. Neither does my MMA black belt, which was huge fun to train for, make me a homicidal maniac.
I have no time for the pious puritans who oppressed the people with their self-righteousness. I do however sympathise with their victims, and I hope they continue to obtain a little merriment and comfort from the grisly evisceration of their self-serving tormentors.
Most of these serious responders are really just missing the joke, aren’t they? Or are they in fact “proving” the joke? Thanks for this fun piece, Dominic.
I agree, I thought it was a great piece written in a very entertaining way!
It’s funny because absolutely true. At 5 I found a book of Norse myths and abandoned Chrisianity then and there and have been a happy pagan ever since.
Freddie,
The post-Covid era is breaking down at Unherd. I am interested in the 80% stuff, not this nonsense. Please fix.
Agreed!
Let’s have some stuff about what the ‘Chinks’ are up to in Hong Kong, the Israelis on the West Bank, and what is about to happen in the US of A, for starters.
A terrific article! Grimm also knew that children wanted dashing heroes and quaking horror, giving it to them in his fairy tales.
On a more sober note, I think that our desire (enforced by the state) to shield our children from hardships is one of the reasons why so many suffer from mental disturbances when they have to face reality out in the big, bad world. . .
“And the people they really, really hated were pious, hypocritical do-gooders who were always telling them to behave themselves. So they weren’t so different from us, after all.”
Very clever…
Big difference! vikings didn’t have an enemy within:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed
This was a fun and enjoyable read, albeit I was surprised to hear that the monks kept slaves on Lindisfarne. Perhaps the Vikings were just rescuing them? Seriously though, a ‘thumpingly’ good start to my Saturday morning. More please.
This article was a welcome palate-cleanser to the Unheard piece I just read…
I went to one of those touring Viking exhibitions a few years back. It was almost comical how the creators had tried to balance their emphasis on “multicultural trading links and lovely brooch-making” with their efforts to portray Viking women as every bit the warriors as the men.