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Simon S
Simon S
2 months ago

This is unutterably depressing. And the worst of it is our leaders seem simply not to care.

J Bryant
J Bryant
2 months ago
Reply to  Simon S

My sense is that the UK’s leaders care about newborn babies, but the NHS is consuming a huge amount of the national budget and it’s not possible to continually provide more resources. I suspect a step toward solving the specific problem of inadequate care for newborns is to spend less on end of life care for the elderly. Yes, that will require some hard choices, but the pandemic prioritized the very old over everyone else, especially the young, and we now see the consequences of that decision.

Brett H
Brett H
2 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

“spend less on end of life care for the elderly.”
Where would you suggest?

De Do
De Do
2 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Shrewsbury and Telford NHS Trust were failing in maternity care between 2000 and 2019. The pandemic was 2020 wasn’t it?

Chris W
Chris W
2 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Agreed. The problem is that, outside of Unherd, nobody would dare to say what you have said.
I am old. The people around me are old. Quite a few of these people have abused their own bodies and continue to do so. The expectation is that any problems and the NHS will take care of everything.
I do have one caveat. There is a shift among young people towards veganism. What happens, 30 years from now, if all of the (older) young people start to suffer from unexpected illnesses because they have not looked after their bodies properly? Again, another set of young people will say that older people must make way for the young. And so on and so on. So, on the one hand you are right and on the other…..

Brett H
Brett H
2 months ago
Reply to  Chris W

So you and J Bryant seem to be suggesting that it’s an issue of money.

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Sisyphus Jones
Sisyphus Jones
2 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

And the leftists here in America had the nerve to say the skeptics of socialized healthcare were lying when we claimed that the only way to reduce costs in a socialized system is by rationing care. Granny is a bad investment.

Andy Higgs
Andy Higgs
1 month ago
Reply to  J Bryant

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Michael Askew
Michael Askew
2 months ago
Reply to  Simon S

Which leaders?

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
2 months ago
Reply to  Simon S

There is a point where you have to stop blaming “leaders” and point fingers at reasonably well paid healthcare professionals who put personal interest, nepotism and politics above patients.

There are lots of countries that are awfully run. Though mostly dictatorships, that’s not the basic reason. The reason they are a mess is because ordinary people have lost their sense of morality and dignity.

Iris C
Iris C
2 months ago
Reply to  Simon S

Unfortunately the rot set in when nursing (including midwifery) demanded a degree, and thus put more emphasis on academic ability than compassionate care, excluding the less academic from a progressive career

Simon James
Simon James
2 months ago

As a parent I’ve seen maternity wards from the inside a few times and I’ve always found midwives to be excellent, doctors maybe less so.
My eldest was born in the early 1990s and my youngest in the mid 2000s, quite a big gap. One thing that struck me was that in the 90s the midwife was very attentive and spent a bit of time making notes; by the mid 2000s this had flipped and she spent a lot of time making notes, occasionally checking to see if my partner was okay. Not uncaring but very busy and I’m guessing not enjoying her work as much as her older colleagues may once have done. I’m guessing that trend has continued.

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
2 months ago
Reply to  Simon James

She may have been note taking to ensure that everything was written down so that she had proof of what went on – covering herself in the event of litigation.

Rhonda Culwell
Rhonda Culwell
2 months ago
Reply to  Simon James

Which also seems to be the way regular doctor visits are going, too.

Carol Scott
Carol Scott
2 months ago

I almost lost my daughter in law and granddaughter at East Kent. As she had three children without complications she opted for the then new birthing centre. She realised something was wrong, she was ignored, her husbands concerns dismissed offered no pain relief, told she didn’t need it! Finally the midwife called a doctor and she was rushed for an emergency c section. Fortunately they were both ok though my granddaughter had lapses of consciousness for a few years but seemed to outgrow it. The main problem seemed to be reluctance of midwives to call a doctor as if it was a competition. They were lucky.

Katherine O'Brien
Katherine O'Brien
2 months ago

According to the Royal College of Midwives there were 22391 Full time equivalent midwives in England in 2021. The ONS figure shows 624828 babies born in England and Wales last year. Even with higher figure including Welsh births this amounts to births per midwife of 27.9 per annum. I realise midwives have other duties on top of the labour ward but these figures don’t seem to indicate a shortage of midwives.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
2 months ago

There are a small % of the NHS who are genuinely very overworked. And a lot of these are either very well paid senior doctors /surgeons or junior doctors on that track.

Most of the other staff appear to be working hard, but in a stereotypically government bureaucracy manner – inefficient, lots of time in paperwork or just sitting around, and little concern for the patients.

Had a few incidents with wife. Not to go into details, but the individuals were invariably nice and polite. As a system, impossible to get even vital post operative information on the phone, inhumane, utterly disorganised and wasteful.

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Ian Johnston
Ian Johnston
2 months ago

My daughter is a trainee midwife coming to the end of her preceptorship.
She is not supposed to be included in the formal shift numbers, yet, because of short-staffing, she is.
This is unreasonably stressful for someone who is still officially a trainee and dangerous for patient care and oversight.

Andrew Wise
Andrew Wise
2 months ago

and so a culture of mediocrity prevails.

Tragic and so true – across the entire NHS

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
2 months ago

In the NHS, neglect of duty goes unpunished, with predictable, and lamentable, results.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 months ago

The problem lies in the tension between providing medical care including O & G for the population of the UK where in the nature of things errors will inevitably be made in some individual cases and the legal right to compensation for individuals who have been affected by such errors.

In a system involving limited resources, and however lavishly resourced there must be limited resources, the cost of compensating the subjects of errors must draw resources away from providing resources to meet the needs of other patients. So the incentive for those involved in administering the system is likely to be to try to hush up and deny the individual errors where they can for the perfectly laudable motive of defending the funds to treat other patients. When an error can result in a £4 million drain on the Trust funds denial of error is bound to prevail where it can be supported. Interestingly in an NHS Resolution report 50% of settled cases in the period covered involved Administrative error.

Of course, a rational system would publicise and analyse every error to try to reduce their incidence and put in place systems to reduce them but the pressure of compensation militates against this so although some analysis and publication does occur it is clear that not enough occurs.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

NHS Trusts pay into an insurance scheme, in pretty much the same way as third party car insurance is intended to compemsate victims of negligence. The annual premiums are themselves quite swingeing, and ever-increasing. I don’t have the figures, but Trusts also employ legal advisors at no doubt significant expense to try to minimise their liability.

As Emma points out, accidents will happen and human error will remain a factor in all healthcare interventions. There are ways and means of building in greater safety through real-time checks and audit (part of the much-derided bureaucracy but also much misunderstood) which seeks to root out systemic failings before they result in the types of devastation described in the article. Its obviously not working well enough in too many hospitals.

Following a previous article hy Emma, i described on here how many NHS employees (from my own experience of 35 years in the service) worked in what might best be described as a dilatory way and was called a p*ick by one respondent for pointing it out. They’re not the majority of course, but they do bring the system down to their level. Emma’s article highlights the truth – of internecine warfare between Consultant firms, different professions competing for the upper hand, staff too busy watching their own backs to see what’s in front of them – vulnerable members of the public expecting a high standard of both medical and human care.

Most patients, and expectant mums, will receive a high standard of care but the systemic pressures allied to unsackable problem staff results in far too much heartbreak to be sustainable under the current arrangements. Instead of Trusts using insurance schemes as a sop to compensate the uncompensatable, insurance should become an up-front accepted part of the healthcare provision, on a model based upon countries such as Australia where they simply do things better, unburdened by the political iconography.

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Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
2 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Thank you for clarifying the position. I was unaware exactly how the compensation was handled but as you say the premiums are swingeing and ever increasing I presume they are also related to the individual Trust’s record.

My wife suffered pre-eclampsia with our first child so was potentially at severe risk and I spent some time catching her vomit during the birthing process but I do recall that someone had left a syringe in her bed that nearly pierced her leg so clearly there had been a failure of process. My wife was actually reassured by the fact that the doctor in charge of the ward picked up on and criticised the behaviour of a nurse involving another piece of neglect whose nature I now can’t recall.

The most unsatisfactory experience I saw involved my mother-in-law in a nurse-led post-operative recovery ward involving a catalogue of errors and neglects where the sister in charge was both arrogant and ignorant. As you say too much time seemed to be spent there recording and gossiping. The most diligent nurses seemed to come from abroad.

I am interested to hear you contrast the UK system with that of Australia. What are the features that might usefully be adopted from Australia? One of the changes I have seen in my lifetime in one type of marine insurance has been the change from the insurer assuming the shipowner knew his business best to the insurer highlighting to the industry the causes of avoidable accidents so that their incidence could be reduced. I presume a similar process is involved in well run hospitals and Trusts.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
2 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

Trusts can have their insurance premiums reduced by demonstrating effective audit processes with actual examples where patient care has been improved through the analysis of negative events, preferably before they cause harm – for instance, surgeons leaving instruments in the patient after closing them up. That’s an extreme example, but that’s why operating theatres (should) have stringent instrument counting procedures in place. A less extreme example would be the giving of pre-operative antibiotics to help prevent infection. Or, the recording of a patient’s temperature / blood pressure at regular intervals to check for signs of a deterioration in condition.
The recording of all these things is essential for the audit trail to be followed, hence why it may now appear that clinical staff spend more time doing so. This process may well be computerised, for easier analysis.
Patients may be placed on what’s known as a Care Pathway, with predetermined documentation which flags up the steps necessary to maximise patient safety and a successful outcome. This should act as a check against missing anything vital, but staff pressures then come into the reckoning. It’s as complex as it sounds, and then add on the professional rivalries! The example you quote of insurance against shipping accidents, whilst not downplaying the dangers and intricacies of navigating huge vessels in uncertain seas/channels, is almost certainly less complex.
Edit: and just to add, although the compensation payouts don’t come from the individual Trust budgets, they do of course come from the public purse so the overall amount available to spend on patient care is reduced. Plus, the public (rightly or wrongly) are now much more litigious than they used to be. In the cases quoted in the article, absolutely rightly. But then, the “lessons learned” mantra is trotted out, and they very rarely are; or only for as long as those who might learn the lessons are in the workplace.

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Andrew D
Andrew D
2 months ago

Pregnancy and childbirth aren’t illnesses. I and my siblings were all born at home

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Robert Eagle
Robert Eagle
2 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

But they can provoke emergencies. Our first child was a footling breech; we were very pleased we’d chosen to have the birth in hospital rather than at home. Mind you, it was a very good unit in a specialist hospital.

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Andrew D
Andrew D
2 months ago
Reply to  Robert Eagle

Yes. But hard cases make bad law.

Robert Eagle
Robert Eagle
2 months ago
Reply to  Andrew D

I’m just pleased my wife and baby daughter didn’t die at home.

Rob N
Rob N
2 months ago

So sad and strange to hear about Shrewsbury. Shrewsbury was the 3rd hospital we had children at and we felt it was great. At least in comparison to the others where we lost twins and had serious shortcomings with the other 2 children’s births.
In fact we felt it was so much better that we had no doubt about going back there for the fourth child. We could see and feel that it deserved its great reputation and felt that this was due to its lead Dr Mohajer and the environment she created. We still think of her very positively.
Obviously others had a different experience but I cannot help but wonder and believe that if the other hospitals had an Ockenden type investigation they would come out even worse.

carl Lammy
carl Lammy
2 months ago

I seem to recall this law of Suppression throughout the NHS was why black West Indian nurses in the 1960’s,opted to be in the Maternity Wards as it wasn’t polluted by clinical biases. Carl Lammy

Ruth Sharratt
Ruth Sharratt
2 months ago

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trevor fitzgerald
trevor fitzgerald
2 months ago

Another avoidable Healthcare crisis?