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Michael W
Michael W
1 year ago

Our governing elites have forsaken our safety and destroyed our societies to look like they’re being nice.

These men should be put in isolated prisons. Where they are cut off from other prisoners that they could radicalise and also from any sources of food.

Declan Conway
Declan Conway
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael W

There is a prison to the west of the British Isles. It is almost limitless and has a depth of almost 30,000 feet.

JP Martin
JP Martin
1 year ago

Our prisons, which are majority Muslim in France, have become an introduction service matching petty criminals with violent radicals. Prislam. It’s like Tinder for jihadis. Life sentences and/or deportation are the only options if we want to shut down this pipeline.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  JP Martin

Why not Mademoiselle de la Guillotine? “You know it makes sense”.

Vivek Rajkhowa
Vivek Rajkhowa
1 year ago

There’s a solution to this. It involves the terrorists being executed and the rest going through re education camps. Until they’re begging for mercy.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago
Reply to  Vivek Rajkhowa

hear hear!!!

Paul O
Paul O
1 year ago

* the last count, there were more than 200 convicted terrorists — most Islamist, but some far-Right*.

‘Some’ Is a very wishy-washy word. The democrats keep implying there are ‘some’ far-right terrorists, but why the vagueness.

Does ‘some’ mean 50, 30, 5 or 1.

And by far=right terrorist are you meaning someone who planned to walk into a concert dragging a suitcase full of explosives, or someone who used hurty words on Facebook.

Come on. I am sure there is one, but lets have a little honesty here as it is like someone is trying to create an enemy that doesn’t really exist, with the exception of a few lone wolf crazies.

We have enough problems in the world without implying that there’s a new bogeyman in town.

Last edited 1 year ago by Paul O
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul O

So that’s 200 x $200k pa for perhaps 25-35 years!
There must be a cheaper opt? Or are we expected to pay for this nonsense?

JP Martin
JP Martin
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul O

If we are to be totally honest, we should admit that the rise of far-right violence is connected to jihadism. We are witnessing a trend of counter-radicalisation. Honesty would also require that we acknowledge that the supply of new bin Ladens is still exponentially bigger than the supply of new Breiviks.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul O

I’m struggling to recall the mass-casualty shootings, stabbings or bombings which put these right-wing terrorists behind bars.
I would, of course, deplore such actions.

Dustin Needle
Dustin Needle
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul O

You are being harsh Paul. I’ve seen loads of far-right terror plots and incidents in the last couple of years. Although admittedly on BBC, ITV and Apple fictional shows…oh, I see your point.

Samir Iker
Samir Iker
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul O

What these people ignore is that Islam is far right, much more so than your BNPs, MAGAs etc

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
1 year ago

There is no rehabilitation possible for men such as Suddesh Amman or Usman Khan. Once you have a person who genuinely believes that whatever evil they commit is divinely mandated then it is impossible to convince them of their error. What logic or reason is going to persuade someone who believes, as a matter of fundamentalist faith, that murdering unbelievers will earn them an eternity in paradise?
Returning ISIS fighters, those who attended Al Qaeda training camps and even those home-grown jihadis who can view beheading videos and nod approvingly, pose a real and present threat to this country. Not even North Korean style ‘re-education’ is going to cure such twisted thinking.
There will always be well-intentioned do-gooders who’ll suggest that we cannot give in to fear or hate and that we must try and reach out to such people. But we are dealing with people who believe – and I mean REALLY believe – in paradise for the faithful and eternal conscious-torment-in-fire for unbelievers. No amount of well-intentioned do-goodery on the part of the state will move them from that position one inch. What rational, temporal argument could one put forward that would be seen to countermand a spiritual, holy mission, if that is what the jihadi believes his actions to be?
The only “reformed” Islamist I’m aware of is Majid Nawaz – though he came to the realisation himself, rather than being deradicalised by a kindly probation officer. I would suggest that if a man with such an obvious intellect, a man with such finely calibrated ethics, can be persuaded to the cause of Islamist extremism it only goes to show what an insidiously “attractive” ideology it can be if fed to a disaffected young man seeking answers.
So what can a Govt do with home-grown Jihadis? No civilised culture should condone indefinite detention but short of capital punishment what is the alternative? You cannot “solve” the problem of imprisoned Islamist extremists, you can only hope to contain it. And certainly you must separate them from the general prison population and young, disaffected prisoners who they would undoubtedly attempt to radicalise. Once inside a place like Whitemoor, which appears to have become a UK Jihadi finishing school, it would be safe to assume that any former inmate poses a real and ongoing threat to society.
We must stop tip-toeing around this issue. Politicians insisting “Islam is a religion of Peace” and pretending such attacks have “nothing to do with Islam” is a dangerous fantasy. The UK Govt, since the threat of Islamist terror came to our shores, has been at pains to try and ignore the fact that these jihadis explicitly commit atrocities in the name of their faith. The state seems reluctant to admit this obvious fact for fear of upsetting Muslim communities. Of course the majority of Muslims do not condone such atrocities, though many seem reticent to condemn their co-religionists publicly.
Not being free to discuss that point is, itself, a real problem and only provides cover in which Islamic extremism can flourish in our midst, unchallenged.
To rehabilitate was memorably defined as “To invest again with dignity”, a noble aim, and one that in the long run saves the state money. Funding adequately to achieve this will pay for itself many times over. Most right minded people would believe in that as a general rule.
However, to equate such high-minded goals with our necessarily harsh treatment of Jihadis and Hate Preachers is entirely self-defeating. With ISIS fighters it would be better for all concerned if they were killed in battle – however we cannot simply murder those that are captured. With home-grown jihadis all we can do is arrest them and, in the majority of cases, hold them indefinitely and isolate them from ‘regular’ prisoners – because there’s no way you can expect to win in a situation where the state is trying to rehabilitate a petty offender whilst his cell-mate believes he is doing God’s work trying to turn him into a mass murderer.

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago

“Attention among extremism and terrorism experts has meandered elsewhere” Yes, Hope Not Hate says that the far right are the real threat! You should be devoting all of your attention to manufacturing white supremacists and driving them into penury. Fighting Islamist extremism is so 2005.
In all seriousness, a most interesting article. It feels like a logical successor to a previously good article on the subject.
https://unherd.com/thepost/stop-inflating-the-danger-of-the-far-right/

Nick Croft
Nick Croft
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

I work in a university in the north of England. Recently, there was a ‘Extremism Awareness Week’ held on campus, with speakers from the security services in attendance. It focused exclusively on white far right and ‘incel’ extremism, not a word (so far as I could tell) about Jihadist/Islamist terrorism and extremism. It is not hard to see the agenda that is being pushed, and what is being swept under the carpet.

Last edited 1 year ago by Nick Croft
John Riordan
John Riordan
1 year ago

Solitary confinement is the answer. I know that this is supposed to be inhuman in some way and isn’t allowed, but it would certainly solve the problem.

Sean Booth
Sean Booth
1 year ago

The majority of comments, long and short, seem to call for the death sentence for terrorists. I totally agree. You cannot de-radicalise a person who has been brainwashed to believe literally every word of a medieval religion from the day they were born. They see themselves as servants of their prophet with a God given mission to convert, or kill all non-believers. So the death penalty is the only answer.

Giles Toman
Giles Toman
1 year ago

Sounds like we’d be better off doing away with them. It’d be best.

Hibernian Caveman
Hibernian Caveman
1 year ago

If people knew their Russian history, they might have taken warning from the example of Sergey Nechayev (1847 – 1882), who radicalized not only his fellow prisoners but also the guards.

R S Foster
R S Foster
1 year ago

…if they are British Subjects, they committed Treason. So reinstate and then impose the traditional penalty…although we could probably miss out the “drawing” and “quartering”…!

Giles Toman
Giles Toman
1 year ago
Reply to  R S Foster

Oh no, let’s go for the whole shebang, it would be more entertaining than another series of Strictly Come Dancing!

frigus amarum
frigus amarum
1 year ago

In Islam, Taqiya or Taqiyya is a precautionary dissimulation or denial of religious belief and practice…A related term is Kitmān, “action of covering, dissimulation”…
now quoting article: when the chips are down, jihadists have historically pleaded innocence or ignorance…
I got low-down on Islam from BBC. Taqiyya: dissimulation to defeat infidels/kaffirs. Honest. Sarcasm aside; if there would be any hint of a problem I am sure BBC etc., would illuminate the Nation so as to focus an address. Now guess. 

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
1 year ago

Civilization will never turn back barbarism by trying to be even more civilized.

Dave Lowery
Dave Lowery
1 year ago

Someone please tell James O Bingo. He thinks none of this exists.

Peter Shaw
Peter Shaw
1 year ago

The UK needs a US- style ‘Supermax’ prison.
It is impossible for terrorists to radicalise others when kept in a concrete box in solitary confinement.