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Andrew Horsman
Andrew Horsman
1 year ago

It’s important to understand that this fanning of fear and division by the World Health Organisation is a deliberate, political act; that Tedros is a vile communist politician, not a health expert; and that their aim is power for the sake of power – as it has been for autocrats for millennia. They don’t care about your health, or your children, and they lack basic human decency. This is hard for many normally adjusted people to understand but sadly it does not make it any less true. The WHO is a corrupt organisation, beyond redemption, that is led by a crook.

In May 2021, an “independent” panel recommended that the WHO member states should “strengthen the authority and independence of the WHO Director General” and “empower the WHO to take a leading, convening, and co-ordinating role in operational aspects of an emergency response to a pandemic” and that that “future declarations of a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC) by the WHO Director General should be based on the precautionary principle.”

Since then, an international negotiating body has been working up an instrument which, if adopted, could become legally binding on WHO member states. This could, according to one WHO working group report, be a “whole-of-society and whole-of-government instrument”. Tedros himself has emphatically and enthusiastically described this possible treaty as a “game changer”.

At Tedros’s behest (as WHO DG he can amend working group reports before they are transmitted to the WHO’s Board & Assembly), a January 2022 working group report was amended to suggest that a “One Health” approach be taken to the agreement. It explained that this “concept reaches beyond pandemic preparedness and response and … the mandate of the WHO. However the application of a One Health approach also would yield significant benefits for the international community. This could include new and/or strengthening of existing platforms, surveillance, furthering multi-sectoral partnerships (human, animal and environmental health sectors) and promoting specific countermeasures in line with the One Health approach.” This “One Health” approach, which appears to have no academic pedigree whatsoever and to be in fact garb for a Chinese Communist power grab along the lines of “One China” or “One Belt, One Road”, was endorsed by many of the western world’s unelected, unaccountable, and unthinking technocratic representatives at the WHO.

Tedros was unanimously re-elected to his post, which comes with a $259,000 salary and a $252,000 slush fund, in May of this year. Recall that this (former?) member of the terrorist sectarian group, the Tigray People’s Liberation Front, owed his initial 2017 election to that post to Chinese communist support over the eminently better qualified Dr David Nabarro. Tedros is the first WHO DG not to be a fully qualified medical doctor.

The WHO plans to debate the draft international agreement (ie treaty) at the World Health Assembly meeting in May 2023, for ratification in May 2024. If that happens, Tedros will – depending on exactly how the agreement is drafted – potentially have the power, if he sees fit to use it, *legally* to require all of the governments of the world to coerce their citizens in to staying at home, masking, taking pharmaceuticals – and perhaps, more – all on the basis of HIS OWN unilateral declaration of a “public health emergency of international concern” – just like the one that this wicked man has declared over monkeypox. By overriding his own advisors and declaring a PHEIC, he demonstrated (not that further evidence is needed) that he has no regard whatever for science, and every regard for power – he is demonstrating who is in charge, and it is but a taste of what is to come if he gets his way. Think “dictator” Dan Andrews, but on a global scale.

The memory of the Nuremburg trials and the universal declaration of human rights may be dying a death in the face of twenty-first century communist power-mongers; unworldly, coddled technocrats with no sense of history and an inflated sense of self-importance; lack of political awareness and will; and good old-fashioned fear amongst the masses.

It’s time now for conscientious adults in leadership positions in the west to leave our fears, prejudices and egos behind and admit we were conned; to get back in the room and start taking this attempted global coup seriously. The UK, and all other supposedly liberal democratic countries, should leave the WHO, now.

More info & links to some of the documents cited can be found here: https://www.thenewera.uk/p/world-hack-operation

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Horsman

Yes, you have said it all. However, you refer to ‘conscientious adults in leadership positions in the west’. There are none. And, with only one or two exceptions, there have been none for over 30 years. To a man and woman, they are signed up to the globalist WHO/ WEF/UN/IMF agenda.

Victoria Cooper
Victoria Cooper
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Horsman

Thank you for the time it took to write that, and the research. They are typical Marxist tactics. It confirms what I already know, trouble is on this thread you could be preaching to the converted. The greatest weapon this movement has is its disguise in advocating the sort of erstwhile liberal instincts most people have: save the planet, be kind to minorities etc. I hope Liz Truss goes in with her eyes wide open. No Utopian dream has yet achieved anything but catastrophe. She needs to start in the schools, fast.

Tonis Arro
Tonis Arro
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Horsman

Thanks a lot for this comment! I still have the gut feeling that there must be something else motivating Tedros, for creating these global panic attacks… something more materialistic than power and salary package (not too good in Switzerland, I think, but of course it may be as good as Tedros gets to). But I may be mistaken, of course, he may be a fanatic. Which is probably worse.

Edward De Beukelaer
Edward De Beukelaer
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Horsman

I agree with all the above. There is one thing missing in the reply and this is the nature of modern medicine. Modern medicine has been slowly, over time, modeled in such a way that it primarily suits the medical industry. The problem is that most medical people do not know that they do not know this (words spoken by Dr Malhotra during the personalised medicine congress 16 Dec 2022 in London).
The real and insidious power of this industry is now so great that of course institutions have a modelling that ties in with the modern medicine narrative. It will need some radical and brave changes for things to improve (Ian McGilchrist in The Matter with Things.) and our views of medicine start to accept the new reality views developed/discovered in physics and biology over the the last decades. Yes, our medicine narrative is about 50 years behind current knowledge of the living.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2016/06/16/peter-c-gotzsche-prescription-drugs-are-the-third-leading-cause-of-death/

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Josh Woods
Josh Woods
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Horsman

Sound and thorough arguments Andrew, though one extra thing: The recent appointment of Susan Michie, the notorious commie behavioural psychologist from SPI-B to the WHO’s nudge unit(whose mere existence is disturbing enough) make things even fishier than they already are- As many of us know that not only Michie is a longstanding commie who implicitly infuses her politics into her draconian ‘scientific advice’, but also that she thrives on stoking the fear of the masses and exerting total control over them, as well as lying about the consensus on the ‘one health’ approach, while sadistically smearing those who oppose it and denying their existence- most notably Profs. Carl Heneghan & Tom Jefferson to a mentally unsound level. In other words, Tedros now gets a fellow totalitarian crony to help him push the insidious agenda he is onboard with, and the timing is suspicious!

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Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
1 year ago

I can see the public health messaging now: “No orgies or gay sex with strangers for 2 weeks to slow the spread.” (Yeah, right. The intersectionally privileged may never be inconvenienced in the slightest… they’re victims… always.)

The account of Lisa the 30-year old, Slate.com reading, mother from Chicago is so sad: “I had finally gotten to the point with Covid where I was starting to relax, but when I heard about monkeypox, it was like a huge pit in my stomach. I open Twitter and see people telling me you need a full PPE suit to go outside. I can’t take living in fear for another two years, and I want to let my child live a normal life.”

I don’t know how typical she really is, but it’s clear this woman has lived in terror for 2 years from a disease that stood almost no chance of injuring her or her kids (she’s 30). Now she’s afraid of another disease that affects almost entirely gay men. In both cases, “public health” and “science” authorities have lied to her, inflating risks by orders of magnitude either to aggregate power to themselves or to appease favored intersectional groups. And she’s paying the price of these lies, and doesn’t realize even now that she’s still being lied to! Admittedly, she might get better if she stopped getting her news from Twitter and Slate, but it’s still sad.

Nick Wade
Nick Wade
1 year ago

Lisa could always have learned to read in the last 2 years, and done a bit of research into these conditions. It seems she prefers to cower behind a sofa. There’s no helping some people.

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Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
1 year ago
Reply to  Nick Wade

Sadly, there is no helping at least 50% of the population.

Chris Parkins
Chris Parkins
1 year ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

yeah, sadly 50% of the population are below average

Andrew Stoll
Andrew Stoll
1 year ago
Reply to  Nick Wade

Some people can do that, Lisa can’t!
There are countless ‘Lisas out there’ – I am one!

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
1 year ago
Reply to  Nick Wade

Progressives venerate technocratic experts though. It’s easy for you to “do your own research and come to your own conclusions”, but for Lisa, if her conclusions departed radically from the expert class on this issue, it would call her entire progressive view of the world into question. After all, if experts could be so wrong on the most important public health issue of our day… what else could they be wrong on? This isn’t a shocking idea for conservatives, but for progressives, it’s terrifying.

As Morpheus says in the Matrix, “all I’m offering is the truth, nothing more.” Taking the red pill is very hard. It requires accepting reality as it really is instead of a comforting illusion. Most choose the illusion. Even if, like Lisa, they insist they fear it; they fear the truth more.

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Deborah H
Deborah H
1 year ago
Reply to  Nick Wade

I was just back to America over the summer and couldn’t believe what I have missed there the past 13 years. Drug ads everywhere! And I mean everywhere, because every restaurant has multiple televisions going showing sports, MSM news (right and left) and drug ads. Pfizer has bought up every slot! You couldn’t go out to eat without being bombarded with media. A far cry from my current life in Switzerland. So I can see how Lisa is living in fear and how many other “Lisa’s” are out there.

roger dog
roger dog
1 year ago

Lisa, like many, is a victim of MSM propaganda.

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Andrew Horsman
Andrew Horsman
1 year ago
Reply to  roger dog

Yes – military grade propaganda.

What I suspect the tiny evil megalomaniac minority pushing all of this want is division, acrimony and grievance between “deluded normi’s”, and “angry conspiracy theorists”. As long as that division continues, those pushing the lies will prosper because we are too busy fighting each other. Divide and conquer.

So what’s to be done? Let’s reserve every last ounce of the energy we have for tirelessly, fearlessly, relentlessly calling out those in power who continue to bend, manipulate, and bury the truth, and extend our love and compassion to those innocents, like Lisa, who have sadly succumbed to their propaganda. Even if they do call us angry right-wing conspiracy theories or whatever it is they have been trained to say.

In a fight between hate & lies and love & truth, love & truth ultimately wins hands down, every time.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Reply to  Andrew Horsman

If only that were true. History tells another story.

James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago

Back in 2020 one American woman advised against drinking Corona beer or endorsing any product of the name. Can’t cure stupid.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  James Kirk

I don’t know… Take warning labels off things and let the problem sort itself out.

Ken Baker
Ken Baker
1 year ago

Anybody that gets any portion of their news and information from cretinous lefty cesspools like Slate.com deserves whatever happens to them

Brian Villanueva
Brian Villanueva
1 year ago

To me it isn’t about her “being stupid”; I doubt she is. It’s also not about her being progressive; conservatives getting their news from Alex Jones and Truth Social think Trump won the last election.

Both are similar in that they are denying objective reality (which could be verified) in favor of lies that appease their own sensibilities. Lisa NEEDS to believe the authorities because losing that trust would call into question her entire progressive / expert class view of the world. Similarly, my stolen election friends NEED to believe Trump won because accepting the loss would call into question their view of themselves as part of a great, silent, blue-collar, American majority.

If anyone here has read Hannah Arendt’s “Origins of Totalitarianism”, this should sound familiar. If you haven’t, get a copy from your library and read it. America is rapidly becoming what Arendt would call a “pre-totalitarian” society. She doesn’t mean gulags; she means a society where truth and objective reality are broadly ignored when they conflict with one’s preconceived ideological positions. The left has this is spades already; the Right isn’t far behind (witness the Jericho March for example).

Paul O
Paul O
1 year ago

Most people who don’t get their news from MSM, and are good with numbers (the statistics are all there to be analysed) , now suspect that a senile old man didn’t win the US election by a quantity of votes that made Obama look like a failure.

It is like people who genuinely believed that Covid didn’t come from a lab in Wuhan (fake news until it wasn’t) , that there was no Hunter Biden laptop (fake news until it wasn’t), that there were no biolabs in Ukraine (fake news until it wasn’t), that Jimmy Saville wasn’t a creepy pedophile (fake news until it wasn’t) and the list goes on and on and on.

And yet amazingly some people still believe CNN, the BBC and Fox News.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul O

Well said, sir. Expect a knock on your door. You seem to know too much than is good for you..

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul O

I agree and Trump did warn before the election that postal voting in deprived inner city areas was wide open to electoral fraud.
And so it came to pass. The fraud was perpetrated political gangsters using money and menaces.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

Could you link to the evidence that shows this actually happened, to the point that it made a difference to the election result? I have asked for that evidence before, but have yet to see any.

C C
C C
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

gateway pundit site
2000 mules documentary

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
1 year ago

The FBI raid on Trump’s home in Florida tells you the “pre-tolitarian” society is on the rapid move toward the real deal.

Kathleen Stern
Kathleen Stern
1 year ago

To be fair reading different views advanced by experts they tried to freeze out of any debate on Covid in the paid for media would be less frightening. Mainstream media have been bought by leaders.

Christopher Peter
Christopher Peter
1 year ago

It doesn’t help when people like “Lisa, a 30-year-old mother from Chicago” gets her information from Twitter – and guess what, she found total nonsense there, and appears to believe it. Ye gods. I just hope her kids ignore her example, seek information from credible sources and learn to think for themselves.
However, what’s this? Owen Jones talking sense? Blimey, that flying pig only just missed me.

Paul O
Paul O
1 year ago

The problem is finding credible sources Christopher as anyone found providing a view that doesn’t promote the given narrative, risks censorship or worse. Once trusted news sources such as the BBC are now at the vanguard of spreading whatever propaganda the WHO, the Gates Foundation or the WEF wants people to believe.

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
1 year ago

A stopped clock is right twice a day.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
1 year ago

Can I get monkey pox from reading one of Owen Jones’ articles?

Bruno Lucy
Bruno Lucy
1 year ago

I read gazillions of Lisa like comments in the Covid New York Times page. Simply pathetic

Victoria Cooper
Victoria Cooper
1 year ago

Her kids won’t be any help. Their brainwashing started in primary school.

Deborah H
Deborah H
1 year ago

yup. They’ll be eating crickets instead of Cheerios.

Johann Strauss
Johann Strauss
1 year ago

Spot on analysis.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
1 year ago

Weird. No mention of concern for pregnant men.

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago

Ha! I was about to take that up with Sue Worton.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

Surely the precedent here is AIDS?
Then a minuscule, vociferous highly organised group managed to generate enough hysteria to distort medical funding in the search for the ‘silver bullet’.
This obsession with facilitating ‘copulation without protection’ meant that such worthy causes a female breast cancer found their research funding depleted.
Given the subsequent C-19 nonsense, the omens are not good, as you so rightly say.

Joanna Tegnerowicz
Joanna Tegnerowicz
1 year ago

People who are not promiscuous can get AIDS, e.g. a woman can be infected by her partner. And children can get HIV from their mothers. Let me add that e.g. cervical cancer is almost always caused by a sexually transmitted HPV infection. Any dangerous disease is a worthy cause, no matter how it is transmitted.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago

“Any dangerous disease is a worthy cause, no matter how it is transmitted”

Agreed, but the funding must be proportionate, which it patently wasn’t with AIDS.

Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

Gay media power?

R Wright
R Wright
1 year ago

If society gets shut down because a handful of super spread homosexuals had too much fun at a bathhouse you can bet there will be an upswing in anger against them. The government should try to avoid that impression as fast as possible.

Andy Marr
Andy Marr
1 year ago
Reply to  R Wright

For homosexuals, read men. The only reason gay men are promiscuous is because they are men. The only thing that stops heterosexual men from being as promiscuous is the lack of women willing to engage sexually with them. Go to any online swinging site and you will find tens of thousands of men (mainly married) looking for meaningless casual sex but limited in their ability to do so by the huge ratio of men to women. A large proportion of them are secretly bi too. People love to demonise gay men but given the chance, heterosexual men would act in the same way.

James Hankins
James Hankins
1 year ago

Following the logic of mask mandates, maybe the CDC could have universal chastity belt mandates. Only two weeks to stop the spread!

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CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  James Hankins

Chastity belts for the first offence, castration for second. That should ‘cure’ it!

Josh Woods
Josh Woods
1 year ago

Nothing more exciting than some good ol’ population control!

Slopmop McTeash
Slopmop McTeash
1 year ago
  • Men who have sex with men are at the highest risk of infection right now from monkeypox, according to the WHO.
  • About 99% of cases are among men, and at least 95% of those patients are men who have sex with other men, according to WHO official Rosamund Lewis.
Billy Bob
Billy Bob
1 year ago

We know, the article said as much

Z 0
Z 0
1 year ago

So how did the other 4% (men who do not have sex with men) catch monkeypox (versus only 1% of cases being women)?
Why would there be around 4 times as many non-MSM males catching it than females? I could understand the opposite ratio, as some portion of MSM are bisexual and could spread it to women. Is there a lot more men being intimate (but not sexual) with men, than men with women, or women with women? Is it spread between MSM and non-MSM men in locker rooms? Are men who do not admit having sex with men catching it but showing up in that 4%?

James Weatherley
James Weatherley
1 year ago
Reply to  Z 0

Bit of everything I suspect. Heterosexual men will hug each other now and then. Some will be partaking of MSM, but not admitting to it. Another possibility is a bisexual male has sex with a female prostitute, who then has sex with many heterosexual male clients.

Charles Custard
Charles Custard
1 year ago

A lot of the well-paid spokespeople for these health organisations would be out of a job if they simply encouraged us to behave sensibly and rationally. It ain’t rocket science.

Howard Gleave
Howard Gleave
1 year ago

If the WHO ignores its own advisory panel? what’s the point of an advisory panel?

Doug Pingel
Doug Pingel
1 year ago
Reply to  Howard Gleave

We could/would understand it if it had been near 50/50 but with the 3:1 maybe he should have taken it back to the board. The UN climate people have done the same several times in the recent past. Some of their decisions have made me wonder if they had read the same report as me.
I say taken rather than sent – he should have asked for more discussion time but then he IS but a totalitarian dictator.

Josh Woods
Josh Woods
1 year ago
Reply to  Doug Pingel

I seem to remember that it was 3:2, but still you argument stands!

Josh Woods
Josh Woods
1 year ago

Salient analysis, though one thing not mentioned by Mr. Fazi: The hysteria is profitable to a number of less-than-benevolent actors: MSM(sensationalism boosts ratings), WEF(perpetual fear is crucial to building the Great Reset), Big Tech(Metaverse as well as social media addicitions caused by poor mental health), Big Pharma(endless vaccines & pills sold to reluctantly loyal customers), and of course unscrupulous mad scientists such as Fauci, Walensky, Ferguson & Michie who use this opportunity to gain public attention and taxpayers’ money to advance their own agenda, and of course authoritarian types i.e. those who like to shove their views down others’ throats and control others’ lives e.g. Ardern, Dan Andrews, Mike Gunner, Trudeau, Freeland, Dominic Cummings, Newsom, Xi, Sturgeon, etc.
Lastly remind me that quote by Winston Churchill but now used ad nauseum by members of the WEF?

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Robert Eagle
Robert Eagle
1 year ago

Good to see Owen Jones saying something halfway sensible. Makes a change.

James Kirk
James Kirk
1 year ago
Reply to  Robert Eagle

Twice now. He was less than than complimentary about Starmer a few weeks back.

Rod McLaughlin
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago

As Owen Jones has claimed, it’s not stating that it’s gay men who are overwhelmingly at risk from monkeypox that puts gay men at risk, but rather denying this fact: “the problem with the HIV/Aids response wasn’t that it was targeted, it’s that it was stigmatised. We need targeted, non-stigmatised messaging: but it’s not homophobia to speak the truth about this. The real homophobia is not acting properly because it’s overwhelmingly gay and bi men at risk!””
Just like radical feminists denying that they are victims of the “gender” garbage they invented, Jones wants to reform the hysterical exaggeration of bigotry he has been promoting in the Guardian for decades. Too late, mate.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

There’s been a few comments about Jones, but none that spell out the intellectual dishonesty that you’ve highlighted, which is actually fairly typical of the progressive left. “Hoist by their own petard” doesn’t do it justice.
Another example was Gary Lineker being annoyed with being called out for sexism after his comments regarding Chloe Kelly’s goal celebration. These people really have no insight into the damage they cause by being in a position of influence. Do any of them read Unherd? They should do.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

I my youth “Stigma” often performed a valuable service.
If someone was talking absolute nonsense, like “A man can be a woman” they were ridiculed. If a man made a single girl pregnant he was ostracised. Thieves were prosecuted and homosexuality was regarded as physically and mentally unhealthy.

Andy Marr
Andy Marr
1 year ago
Reply to  Alex Tickell

You must be older than Methuselah then! In 1965 I was the first male in my family to be born in wedlock for at least two generations. Men were never ostracised for impregnating single women but single mothers were often ostracised, I suspect by people like you. Only very strange people or those with bonkers religious beliefs regarded homosexuality as physically and mentally unhealthy in the latter half of the twentieth century.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Andy Marr

Your comment is factually incorrect Andy and given the history you have supplied I can only assume you have a very “strange” family.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago

I’m currently in The Netherlands where the government fined and locked people away for breaking 9 o’clock curfew during COVID because it ‘saved lives’. Those breaking, or even questioning, the rules were called ‘wappies’ a Dutch term for those who are considered uncouth and uneducated and therefore unworthy of having an opinion.
Just this weekend I was watching in bemusement while crowds clustered at the edge of the Amsterdam canals in order to watch middle-aged scantily clad men, women and the gender-confused thrusting their bits and bobs to all and sundry while dancing on jam-packed corporate-sponsored boats. Despite a rising number of monkey-pox cases in Amsterdam there is zero animus by the government to do anything about it. I don’t understand why was there such a hue and cry about COVID, but nothing about monkey-pox which is easily containable. Those who suggest that it might not be wise to hold a gay pride parade during a monkey-pox outbreak are now the ones labelled ‘wappies’.
What is going on here and why the discrepancy in treatment and containment of the two pandemics? Is there a logic that I’m not grasping?

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Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

I am not that up on the details, but one fairly obvious suggestion (as per this article) would be that monkeypox spreads (mainly?) through skin-to-skin contact or sex, whereas COVID spreads through the air, by inhaling other people’s breath. Since it is much easier to avoid skin-to-skin contact than to avoid breathing the same air as other people, monkeypox would seem to be a much more containable threat – and much easier for individuals to protect themselves from. Basically the reaction is different because the threat is different?

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

I guess. I’m just confused that’s all. The same people who were yelling at me for questioning COVID regulations seem pretty blasé about the threats of monkeypox even though it seems to result in nastier symptoms. I wonder what it is about the two diseases that provokes such opposite reactions in the same people. Is it media messaging? Fear of stigmatizing gay men? Or just simple unconcernedness because it only affects gay men? I’m just curious as to why the same people who reacted with mass hysteria to COVID seem totally unfazed by monkeypox even though it has been declared a global health emergency by the WHO.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

You must have a stronger stomach than I Mr Farrows

Rod McLaughlin
Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago

Not only is the hysteria similar to the response to Covid, it bears a close resemblance to the politically-correct errors during the AIDS crisis.
The propaganda from the UK National Health Service was so non-specific, to avoid offending a minority, I got tested. I have never done anything which could give me HIV.
The minority I referred to above is, of course, victims of opiate addiction.

Joanna Tegnerowicz
Joanna Tegnerowicz
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

In the UK “the majority (91,216 – 92.6%) of people accessing HIV care in 2019 acquired HIV through sexual transmission” http://www.nat.org.uk/about-hiv/hiv-statistics .

Will Fleming.
Will Fleming.
1 year ago
Reply to  Rod McLaughlin

Has nobody asked Prof Susan Michie for her considered opinion on this latest EMERGENCY ! ?

Jim R
Jim R
1 year ago

97.5% is very high and the margin for error could perhaps put it to 100%. After all it’s based upon self reported activities and people aren’t always fully honest about admitting such things. Rather than assume that the tiny fraction of non-gay men is the beginning of a population wide outbreak, as they did with aids, surely the possibility that this disease could be eradicated by a certain group behaving more prudently ought to be considered before we light our hair on fire … again.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim R

But behaving “prudently” is not as PLEASURABLE!! Therefore they won’t do it. BTW, this is normal human behavior not limited to the subset concerned here.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  Betsy Arehart

You are so right that this is normal human behaviour. Against COVID, for instance, it would be prudent to wear masks and put some limits on social interactions, even now. But as it is not PLEASURABLE people prefer to select a set of facts that lets them do what they want.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago
Reply to  Jim R

These figures were mirrored in the CDC reports from US.
Why are we encouraging our children to accept this lifestyle?

Sue Whorton
Sue Whorton
1 year ago

Chickenpox is also potentially very dangerous in pregnancy

Owen Morgan
Owen Morgan
1 year ago

Today, we are seeing the first stirrings of yet another bout of mass hysteria, with politicians, the media and public health officials (including the WHO) all repeating the same mistakes they made with Covid-19.”

They are not mistakes when they are intentional. Governments around the world have been engaging in unconstitutional power-grabs for nearly two and a half years. They are very reluctant to surrender any of the powers thus accumulated and the civil servants and instant “experts” even more so.

There are big vested interests, too, in keeping the alarmism going. Pharmaceutical companies can concoct some dodgy vaccine and get the taxpayers to stump up for something completely unnecessary. If the NHS has ever bothered to return to pre-Wuhan methods of engaging with patients, it can now go back to Zoom calls. The teaching unions won’t be slow to demand a return to remote schooling (that is: no schooling at all).

Despite this, health authorities and media outlets have been wary of labelling monkeypox a sexually transmitted disease (STD), in part because researchers weren’t sure whether the disease is transmitted through semen or vaginal fluids.

Again, no, that is not the reason. The haste of the WHO’s director to overrule his own advisory panel indicates a desire to retain the profile of his organisation, which some people unaccountably consider to be worthwhile. Since he is in China’s pocket, too, he is also trumpeting this virus as one which did not emanate from China, to deflect from the WHO’s lamentable failure to investigate the origin of the last one.

The media won’t tell the truth about monkeypox because that doesn’t suit their agenda. If people allow themselves to be plunged into panic by an illness which they have virtually zero chance even of catching, the bureaucrats and media hacks will exploit this as destructively as they did the Wuhan Flu.

To that infinitely stupid mother in Chicago, I say, “Get a life – and stop reading Slate.

Catherine M
Catherine M
1 year ago

American here. I do not know a single American who doesn’t roll their eyes when the subject of Monkeypox arises. More frightened than Covid? Who?

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

About your opening assumption:
After a conversation with a gay friend, in which he was waxing nostalgic about his pre-AIDS, boots-and-saddles days, I did an informal poll of a couple of dozen straight male friends. None of them were at all interested in unrestrained, hyper-promiscuous sex, although I suspect that one or two weren’t being totally honest.
It seems that straight men are not just like gay men; there’s a strong tendency toward some inherent differences.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

That would depend a lot on 1) how happy they were with their sex life to start with, 2) how they imagine the promiscuity would go. If you expect most of those eager maidens would demand more than they could dliver and loudly voice their disappointment afterwards, one might well prefer a less adventurous life.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
1 year ago

At this point the WHO should just be ignored. They thouroughly (and comically) flubbed their response to Covid so many times, in so many ways, that they no longer have any credibility. Now they’re trying again with monkey pox; an annoying rash, most common (in the North) among people with an over-active sex life, that has a barely nominal hospitalisation rate and a vanishingly small death rate. More people by far die from lightning strikes or even shark attacks.
We would do better to make fun of these people and their Ian Fleming-esque plans for global conquest, and not give them any credence, which they do not deserve. We should take a page from the Republican playbook: derision is a powerful political weapon.
That said, the global pandemic treaty story has not gotten nearly enough play in the media. I wish UnHerd would work to fix this. The more this story gets out the easier it will be to laugh it away when the time comes.

Martin Smith
Martin Smith
1 year ago

If you believe that the purpose of the Covid strategy was the management and mitigation of a viral infection then yes it was a failure, but if you believe it was a means of promoting fear to better control and manipulate the population, then it was a success.

Nikki Hayes
Nikki Hayes
1 year ago

Basically the current monkeypox outbreak is largely limited to gay and bisexual men – particularly those who indulge in promiscuity. Its not easy to catch, unlike covid, and the WHO are totally wrong in labelling it a pandemic.

Michael Askew
Michael Askew
1 year ago

I open Twitter and see people telling me you need a full PPE suit to go outside.” The folly and danger of using Twitter to obtain reliable information!

Lena Bloch
Lena Bloch
1 year ago

“I had finally gotten to the point with Covid where I was starting to relax,” Lisa, a 30-year-old mother from Chicago, told Slate. “But when I heard about monkeypox, it was like a huge pit in my stomach. I open Twitter and see people telling me you need a full PPE suit to go outside. I can’t take living in fear for another two years, and I want to let my child live a normal life.” – It is Incredible that people do not understand that their fear is a mental disorder. Has nothing to do with reality, because even if the reality is sinister or dangerous, fear is something that makes it much worse and deprives a human being of clear thinking and reasoning, and ultimately paralyzes all decision-making. Feeling fear of such proportions means one needs therapy. Unless a person says “STOP”, fear will never end.
In the past, the State tried to minimize panic and there were speeches on the radio asking people to not panic, stay calm, listen to the announcements, not fear and not act out of panic. This time, starting with the War On Terror, escalating it to cosmic proportions during covid and now introducing monkeypox (which is like chicken pox, but people believe that it is real POX), panic, fear and constant anxiety are encouraged, promoted, constantly aroused. Even as much as “behavior scientists” issuing memorandums that if people are not scared, they will not comply. So what is the objective? To make good effective decisions or to train people in obedience to meaningless crap, which they would never obey in a non-fear state? Make them afraid so much that they stop asking questions and do whatever they are asked to, and police their neighbors for compliance? To make people into chickens is a sure way to make them sick and sicker, by the way.

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Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

It would not have worked with COVID. You could get that by participating, fully dressed, in a church choir, or eating in the same restaurant as someone who had it.
Thanks for an illuminating and honest post, though. I am sure that an abundance of eager and consensual short-term partners would have made a big difference to my sex life too.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Not how it works. You can avoid AIDS completely by avoiding unsafe sex, and that is 100% effective. WIth COVID 1) you need to avoid breathing the same air as someone infected, which is pretty much impossible when the whole population is getting it. Especially if you are old, or vulnerable, and depending on a lot of people helping you. 2) Peple in their sixties, with less serious co-morbidities or even people in their thirties etc. are not safe, they just die at lower rates. If you let the disease pass through the entire population that still adds up to a lot of dead people.

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Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
1 year ago

another A nally I njected D eath S entence…?

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Bit of a straw man article. I don’t think anyone is remotely concerned about this monkey whatsit. I was and am pretty cautious about covid. But this? Irrelevant tbh

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Frank McCusker

You’re probably right. I guess those who were admonishing others to ‘save lives’ were really just concerned about their own lives.

Alex Tickell
Alex Tickell
1 year ago

The only people who should be worried are MSM who are presently overly afflicted by at least 3 separate viruses HIV GON and MPOX……and the reason for the spread amongst these people is the sexual behaviour of many male homosexuals. I believe that open relationships and open marriages make male homosexuals prime targets for any virus.
Promiscuous behaviour is dangerous in any sexual lifestyle, but more so in one with no braking system and heterosexual family life provides that braking system.
The truth is that men are programmed by nature to be promiscuous……and the other truth is that men are kept monogamous, in general terms, not by “love” of their mate but by the standards they are obliged to show to their natural offspring.
All in all I am almost certain that homosexuality shall not survive as it is at the moment for much longer, as these STD problems continue to appear, medical science must shake itself awake and look beyond “equality in everything, at any cost”

Mike Smith
Mike Smith
1 year ago

As long as you don’t have a monkey as a boyfriend/girlfriend and you don’t know anyone who has, you should be safe. And it would be nice if those that run the risk of catching or have caught monkeypox stopped blaming the governement/health service for not having enough vaccine available.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago

For once it sounds like Fazi has a point: Monkeypox seems to be a lot less threatening that COVID was, so the reactions to it are overblown. Too bad that he has to mix that message with his usual spiel that we should not have done anything about COVID either.

Johann Strauss
Johann Strauss
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

Fazi is right about both Monkeypox and Covid. The hysteria over Covid was unproductive and overblown, especially once it was realized very very early on that there was a huge age stratification and that those principally at risk were the over 80s. The German health authority in a recent report to the German parliament has even admitted that lockdowns and masks did a lot more harm than good. Really all one has to do is look at Sweden and compare Sweden’s performance to date with that of the UKs, France, Germany etc…. Sweden’s approach was minimalistic wit no shutdowns, no masks and just some sensible advice (e.g. to work from home if one’s ob allowed it). Sweden ultimately did rather well, despite some initial mistakes arising from mismanagement of nursing homes. And for sure they did better than France or the UK. QED.

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  Johann Strauss

We’ve been here before. You are wrong, and you are cherrypicking the evidence.

I am not going through this discussion yet again.

andrew harman
andrew harman
1 year ago
Reply to  Rasmus Fogh

You were the one who raised the covid aspect in your post. Did you expect there not to be a response? If you were unwilling to discuss it further, perhaps you should not have commented on Johann’s post?

Rasmus Fogh
Rasmus Fogh
1 year ago
Reply to  andrew harman

Fazi was the one who raised the COVID aspect in his article. If anyone has some new arguments, or just a new person, I might bite, but Johann and I have made all these arguments to each other ad infinitum. I still think it is worth making the point, to remind people that not everybody agrees on this. But as for arguments with Johann, it should be enough to incorporate them by refrence, as it were.