That has made me want to read Agatha Christie again.
Harry Phillips
1 year ago
“Self-consciously highbrow types — academics, Guardian readers, Arsenal fans” – lol! A highly entertaining read indeed.
Arianna Reece
1 year ago
I know nothing about this trial, but thanks for an extremely entertaining read.
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
No mention of toxic femininity? The practice of pretending to be best friends with someone you loathe? The desire to make money out of your “friends'” misfortunes even though you are already monstrously rich? The need to protect a reputation that only you think you have? The belief that you played a central role in your husband’s achievements?
The people I feel sorry for are Jamie Vardy and the Vardy children. Jamie presumably was given a choice between supporting his wife through her legal campaign and the break-up of his family. The poor children, what they must be going through in the playground.
Jonathan Andrews
1 year ago
Wonderful article
Robert Eagle
1 year ago
What a relief! I thought I was a prurient creep for enjoying the WAGsaga; but now thanks to D Sandbrook I realise that I am a serious student of human nature.
R S Foster
1 year ago
…I’d suggest Agatha Christie used her rival’s name to make absolutely sure that it got out into the public domain…with the inevitable social consequences attached to being caught “In flagrante…” in those more censorious days. I believe the modern term is “s**t-shaming”…
Francis MacGabhann
1 year ago
The media always get nervous when there are libel writs flying around. Do not ascribe to conspiracy what can adequately be accounted for by good old fear for for your bank account.
Thanks!
As at 12.13 BST the Censor seems to have relented and the mildly contentious remarks about Giles Frasers’s ‘God’ essay have been restored.Hallelujah!
Peter B
1 year ago
This may well be the only good thing to come out of this rather pointless court case (the rest of the world having real problems to solve). Thanks – enjoyed it enormously.
Seriously, who needs a PR agent and why ? There might almost be a rule to be derived from this – “never trust anyone who employs a PR agent” ? Vardy, Markle, …
But perhaps celebs play a role similar to speculators in the financial markets – perhaps this apparently pointless activity keeps the newspaper business viable for the decreasing amount of useful content to be published.
Henry Haslam
1 year ago
I liked Agatha Christie’s books some 60 years ago, and I enjoyed this article about them.
However, I was expecting more about the trial. What strikes me about that is that the Sun could set the matter at rest by disclosing their source.
In science – and other areas of scholarship – you strengthen your argument and add to you credibility by saying where your information comes from. Journalists refuse to do this, in the ‘public interest’.
There are some circumstances where silence really is in the public interest. For example, the case of Chris Mullin and the Birmingham Six. Mullin’s promise not to disclose his sources Recently vindicated in the courts) enabled innocent men to be freed. This was clearly in the public interest.
But the Wagatha case? Is it in the public interest that our courts of law should tied up for so long with such an unimportant affair? Would not the public interest be best served by the Sun settling the matter by saying where it got its stories from?
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Richard 0
1 year ago
Thank you, DS, you never write a dull piece. Enjoyed it thoroughly. Will look to read an Agatha Christie again as it has been a very long time.
Katharine Eyre
1 year ago
“To take a single example, Polly Toynbee once claimed that her books are “suffused with a peculiar English snobbery” and located in “a realm of quite extraordinary fantasy, firmly set among the middle classes, on the uncomfortable presumption, perhaps, that the lower classes are too boring to write books about”.”
My goodness isn’t that some exquisite irony. Or stunning lack of self awareness on the part of Toynbee. Or both.
Evil Under The Sun…the film adaptation, with Peter Ustinov as Poirot and Diana Rigg as Arlena, is splendid. As a kid, I wore out the VCR tape we had it recorded on at the point where Jane Birkin’s character descends the stairs at the end, wearing the most magnificent hat. It made your heart skip a beat it was so dashing.
The Wagatha Christie furore seems to combine the very best and the very worst of Britain. I mean, where else would you find such tabloid-friendly wit with a handle like that? It’s genius.
On the other hand, where else would you find such brainless sensationalism? If these two jokers weren’t married to obscenely overpaid footballers, they’d be settling the score outside a kebab shop at 1am, handbags whistling through the air, manicured nails a-clawing. We are not fooled by the fancy outfits, ladies.
I suppose people in the olden days fought for every scrap of leisure reading material or entertainment they could get. A ‘realm of quite extraordinary fantasy’ may well have appealed to the increasingly bigger working-class group of readers. Christie must have sold millions, even tens of millions of books by the mid-1930s, world-wide.
And as well, with cinema gaining great prominence and influence in the 1920s, people could relate more and more to lifestyles that they saw in some detail or aspired to. So one might say that Agatha Christie’s books gave pleasure to a significant section of the reading public who were working class. That working class had no television, no antibiotics, TB was rife, and no Downton or Strictly beaming into their hard-to-heat living rooms. Did a bit of detective fiction set among the genteel and the privileged amuse the working class? And give them a bit of fantasy? No harm in that. Bollywood is in the business of providing cheer for the poor.
Was Polly Toynbee talking about her own works (“suffused with a peculiar English snobbery” and located in “a realm of quite extraordinary fantasy, firmly set among the middle classes”) ?
Steve Murray
1 year ago
I see the… ahem… usual suspects are the first to post comments.
I suppose this is just human nature, however of low interest it is to some, it is of medium or high interest to others, makes a world. And better people to ‘fight in court’ that on the street: more civil society? Ad if it drives people to read more books (Agatha Christy in this case) that can only be for the better…. The world is not perfect, luckily…
Yes, i agee. My comment was a reference to the comment “Who cares?” by one of the ‘usual suspects’ i.e. they obviously do!
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AC Harper
1 year ago
Entertaining fluff… but I read to the end. “Christie only used four motives: greed, sex, revenge and fear of exposure.” I’d add desire for status or celebrity to that, but then Agatha Christie had a winning formula which worked well enough in the society she based her stories in.
harry storm
1 year ago
The Moving Finger was the AC book and also the first adult book I read. Over the next few years I then read every novel and short story by Ms. Christie. Loved them. Still do. Not sure why.
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Rod McLaughlin
1 year ago
Thanks. Very funny, and it blows a hole in my assumption that because Christie is popular, she must be lowbrow. People make the same mistake with Dickens. I’m going to get a load of Agatha from Amazon and read the lot.
Robin Palmer
1 year ago
Interesting stuff about Agatha. I wasn’t aware of the football wives’ story. Who the f*ck cares. Barf. Now, I’ll be sure to stay unaware of it.
Christopher Barclay
1 year ago
Agatha Christie presumably chose Harrogate because she felt no one would recognise her there. As for the choice of name, perhaps it is as mundane as her giving the first name that came into her mind when asked by the reception clerk at the hotel, that name being the name that had been going around her head ever since she had learnt of her husband’s infidelity.
Jorge Espinha
1 year ago
This article delivered orders of magnitude what I initially expected. I have to read Agatha Christie again!
neil collins
1 year ago
This is a brilliant. and hugely entertaining, read. The serious point which is missing is the grotesque cost of mounting a defence against libel, which has been ruthlessly exploited by the Russian oligarchs to suppress exposure of their activities.
Still, at least we’ve got a great show here.
Martin Smith
1 year ago
This whole saga seems to have been going on for years like the Depp/Heard marathon. What is it with these people? And with us for taking such an interest? An outward and visible sign of an inner and invisible disgrace.
It’s human nature to laugh at the weird obsessions of the rich. And quite rightly so
Andrew D
1 year ago
The remaining paragraphs don’t take long to read, and I promise you they’re enjoyable. What more worthwhile thing did you do in the minutes you saved by not reading them?
Dustshoe Richinrut
1 year ago
In ‘The Winslow Boy’, in the black-and-white film of the Terence Rattigan play about a young naval-academy boy accused by the Admiralty of stealing a small-sum postal order, if I recall correctly there is a scene in which, perhaps in the House of Commons, but probably also at a music hall during a performance, the wrongly accused boy’s lawyer or father is told to get real and drop the case as, to paraphrase, “even the Germans are poking fun at the British obsessiveness with the case” – with minor celebrity, if you will; and that that was undermining the morale of the nation in terms of the great squaring up of empires with each other: the unnecessary distraction of a lone person taking on the King in the courts was seen by the great and the good to be a self-inflicted thorn in the nation. (The play is set in the Edwardian era a little prior to WW1).
Where was I? Yes, this latest spat in the courts in the minor-celebrity field may have elements of the strong feelings of characters from Agatha Christie, but it is, I imagine, not something that gets any traction abroad, being not of the calibre of material that would appeal to the likes of top old playwrights.
Though perhaps Britain’s allies, and not enemies, abroad are actually noticing, and worrying, wondering if the Brits have it in them to actually offer their pledged support when they, the Finns, say, need it badly, as well the Finns might worry, when they consider the British obsession with minor celebrities (at a time like this) whose point of contention is with each other and not the King or Queen or the Establishment.
How very low-brow indeed the country has sunk!
How utterly boring!
That has made me want to read Agatha Christie again.
“Self-consciously highbrow types — academics, Guardian readers, Arsenal fans” – lol!
A highly entertaining read indeed.
I know nothing about this trial, but thanks for an extremely entertaining read.
No mention of toxic femininity? The practice of pretending to be best friends with someone you loathe? The desire to make money out of your “friends'” misfortunes even though you are already monstrously rich? The need to protect a reputation that only you think you have? The belief that you played a central role in your husband’s achievements?
The people I feel sorry for are Jamie Vardy and the Vardy children. Jamie presumably was given a choice between supporting his wife through her legal campaign and the break-up of his family. The poor children, what they must be going through in the playground.
Wonderful article
What a relief! I thought I was a prurient creep for enjoying the WAGsaga; but now thanks to D Sandbrook I realise that I am a serious student of human nature.
…I’d suggest Agatha Christie used her rival’s name to make absolutely sure that it got out into the public domain…with the inevitable social consequences attached to being caught “In flagrante…” in those more censorious days. I believe the modern term is “s**t-shaming”…
The media always get nervous when there are libel writs flying around. Do not ascribe to conspiracy what can adequately be accounted for by good old fear for for your bank account.
Thanks!
As at 12.13 BST the Censor seems to have relented and the mildly contentious remarks about Giles Frasers’s ‘God’ essay have been restored.Hallelujah!
This may well be the only good thing to come out of this rather pointless court case (the rest of the world having real problems to solve). Thanks – enjoyed it enormously.
Seriously, who needs a PR agent and why ? There might almost be a rule to be derived from this – “never trust anyone who employs a PR agent” ? Vardy, Markle, …
But perhaps celebs play a role similar to speculators in the financial markets – perhaps this apparently pointless activity keeps the newspaper business viable for the decreasing amount of useful content to be published.
I liked Agatha Christie’s books some 60 years ago, and I enjoyed this article about them.
However, I was expecting more about the trial. What strikes me about that is that the Sun could set the matter at rest by disclosing their source.
In science – and other areas of scholarship – you strengthen your argument and add to you credibility by saying where your information comes from. Journalists refuse to do this, in the ‘public interest’.
There are some circumstances where silence really is in the public interest. For example, the case of Chris Mullin and the Birmingham Six. Mullin’s promise not to disclose his sources Recently vindicated in the courts) enabled innocent men to be freed. This was clearly in the public interest.
But the Wagatha case? Is it in the public interest that our courts of law should tied up for so long with such an unimportant affair? Would not the public interest be best served by the Sun settling the matter by saying where it got its stories from?
Thank you, DS, you never write a dull piece. Enjoyed it thoroughly. Will look to read an Agatha Christie again as it has been a very long time.
“To take a single example, Polly Toynbee once claimed that her books are “suffused with a peculiar English snobbery” and located in “a realm of quite extraordinary fantasy, firmly set among the middle classes, on the uncomfortable presumption, perhaps, that the lower classes are too boring to write books about”.”
My goodness isn’t that some exquisite irony. Or stunning lack of self awareness on the part of Toynbee. Or both.
Evil Under The Sun…the film adaptation, with Peter Ustinov as Poirot and Diana Rigg as Arlena, is splendid. As a kid, I wore out the VCR tape we had it recorded on at the point where Jane Birkin’s character descends the stairs at the end, wearing the most magnificent hat. It made your heart skip a beat it was so dashing.
The Wagatha Christie furore seems to combine the very best and the very worst of Britain. I mean, where else would you find such tabloid-friendly wit with a handle like that? It’s genius.
On the other hand, where else would you find such brainless sensationalism? If these two jokers weren’t married to obscenely overpaid footballers, they’d be settling the score outside a kebab shop at 1am, handbags whistling through the air, manicured nails a-clawing. We are not fooled by the fancy outfits, ladies.
I suppose people in the olden days fought for every scrap of leisure reading material or entertainment they could get. A ‘realm of quite extraordinary fantasy’ may well have appealed to the increasingly bigger working-class group of readers. Christie must have sold millions, even tens of millions of books by the mid-1930s, world-wide.
And as well, with cinema gaining great prominence and influence in the 1920s, people could relate more and more to lifestyles that they saw in some detail or aspired to. So one might say that Agatha Christie’s books gave pleasure to a significant section of the reading public who were working class. That working class had no television, no antibiotics, TB was rife, and no Downton or Strictly beaming into their hard-to-heat living rooms. Did a bit of detective fiction set among the genteel and the privileged amuse the working class? And give them a bit of fantasy? No harm in that. Bollywood is in the business of providing cheer for the poor.
Was Polly Toynbee talking about her own works (“suffused with a peculiar English snobbery” and located in “a realm of quite extraordinary fantasy, firmly set among the middle classes”) ?
I see the… ahem… usual suspects are the first to post comments.
Who cares? Who, indeed!
I suppose this is just human nature, however of low interest it is to some, it is of medium or high interest to others, makes a world. And better people to ‘fight in court’ that on the street: more civil society? Ad if it drives people to read more books (Agatha Christy in this case) that can only be for the better…. The world is not perfect, luckily…
Yes, i agee. My comment was a reference to the comment “Who cares?” by one of the ‘usual suspects’ i.e. they obviously do!
Entertaining fluff… but I read to the end.
“Christie only used four motives: greed, sex, revenge and fear of exposure.”
I’d add desire for status or celebrity to that, but then Agatha Christie had a winning formula which worked well enough in the society she based her stories in.
The Moving Finger was the AC book and also the first adult book I read. Over the next few years I then read every novel and short story by Ms. Christie. Loved them. Still do. Not sure why.
Thanks. Very funny, and it blows a hole in my assumption that because Christie is popular, she must be lowbrow. People make the same mistake with Dickens. I’m going to get a load of Agatha from Amazon and read the lot.
Interesting stuff about Agatha. I wasn’t aware of the football wives’ story. Who the f*ck cares. Barf. Now, I’ll be sure to stay unaware of it.
Agatha Christie presumably chose Harrogate because she felt no one would recognise her there. As for the choice of name, perhaps it is as mundane as her giving the first name that came into her mind when asked by the reception clerk at the hotel, that name being the name that had been going around her head ever since she had learnt of her husband’s infidelity.
This article delivered orders of magnitude what I initially expected. I have to read Agatha Christie again!
This is a brilliant. and hugely entertaining, read. The serious point which is missing is the grotesque cost of mounting a defence against libel, which has been ruthlessly exploited by the Russian oligarchs to suppress exposure of their activities.
Still, at least we’ve got a great show here.
This whole saga seems to have been going on for years like the Depp/Heard marathon. What is it with these people? And with us for taking such an interest? An outward and visible sign of an inner and invisible disgrace.
It’s human nature to laugh at the weird obsessions of the rich. And quite rightly so
The remaining paragraphs don’t take long to read, and I promise you they’re enjoyable. What more worthwhile thing did you do in the minutes you saved by not reading them?
In ‘The Winslow Boy’, in the black-and-white film of the Terence Rattigan play about a young naval-academy boy accused by the Admiralty of stealing a small-sum postal order, if I recall correctly there is a scene in which, perhaps in the House of Commons, but probably also at a music hall during a performance, the wrongly accused boy’s lawyer or father is told to get real and drop the case as, to paraphrase, “even the Germans are poking fun at the British obsessiveness with the case” – with minor celebrity, if you will; and that that was undermining the morale of the nation in terms of the great squaring up of empires with each other: the unnecessary distraction of a lone person taking on the King in the courts was seen by the great and the good to be a self-inflicted thorn in the nation. (The play is set in the Edwardian era a little prior to WW1).
Where was I? Yes, this latest spat in the courts in the minor-celebrity field may have elements of the strong feelings of characters from Agatha Christie, but it is, I imagine, not something that gets any traction abroad, being not of the calibre of material that would appeal to the likes of top old playwrights.
Though perhaps Britain’s allies, and not enemies, abroad are actually noticing, and worrying, wondering if the Brits have it in them to actually offer their pledged support when they, the Finns, say, need it badly, as well the Finns might worry, when they consider the British obsession with minor celebrities (at a time like this) whose point of contention is with each other and not the King or Queen or the Establishment.
How very low-brow indeed the country has sunk!
How utterly boring!
Just to add, to be clear, the Finns are not an industrious clan of English suburban twittering minor celebrities themselves.
Try the audio version of this article. Ted Lasso reads UnHerd! Coleen Rooney as a character from Ozark has made my day!
Brilliantly funny article. Thank you
Dominic tells a tale as few can. Cracking stuff!