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Margaret Bluman
Margaret Bluman
8 months ago

I agree that this is a deliberate strategy by the Labour Party. But what they don’t realise is the likely effect of this strategy. Thousands upon thousands of committed Labour Party voters, mostly women but also many men, will not be voting for the Party in future elections. The Party is unelectable while it sticks to this nonsense.

Stephen Walshe
Stephen Walshe
8 months ago

It would be if the Liberal Democrats, SNP, Greens and Conservatives (apart from Liz Truss) weren’t taking exactly the same view.

Last edited 8 months ago by Stephen Walshe
David McDowell
David McDowell
8 months ago
Reply to  Stephen Walshe

Exactly. Those people have no where else to go.

Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
8 months ago

Yes it’s quite funny – it doesn’t matter what the tories do when Labour stick to this daft fiction.

Russell Hamilton
Russell Hamilton
8 months ago

A pleasure to read – especially: “By Harman’s logic, the party’s first woman leader could be a man.”

David Uzzaman
David Uzzaman
8 months ago

It might even be Keir.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
8 months ago
Reply to  David Uzzaman

I think you might be right. Perhaps he himself harbors fantasies of transitioning.

Aidan Trimble
Aidan Trimble
7 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Into a leader ?

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
8 months ago

Entirely possible given that a recent Business Woman of the Year was male.

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
8 months ago

A particularly well written article. I wonder like many others, why Labour has chosen to go this route.
It would appear that Starmer has gone into battle not knowing what a cervix is.

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
8 months ago

I don’t think he knows what a battle is.

Ron Wigley
Ron Wigley
8 months ago
Reply to  Malcolm Knott

I don’t think he knows what leadership is.

Peter B
Peter B
8 months ago
Reply to  Malcolm Knott

Indeed. A large part of why Theresa May blew the election in 2017 (a blessing in disguise in the end) – she didn’t sound up for a fight.
At least we know what Labour’s priorities are and can take avoiding action …

A Spetzari
A Spetzari
8 months ago

I think in part it’s him trying to seem less establishment, less New Labour, and trying to appeal to the party Corbynites.
Trouble is it doesn’t work and he’s winning over nobody

Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
8 months ago
Reply to  A Spetzari

Corbyn wasn’t overly obsessed with woke ideology. Woke is radical, but centrist at the same time.

Ludwig van Earwig
Ludwig van Earwig
8 months ago

“Is this man stupid?”
Yes. And weak. He took the knee too.
But frankly I’m more concerned about the risk that trans ideology poses to impressionable children. Legislation recently passed in New Zealand will make it all but impossible to recommend any kind of treatment except “transitioning” for pre-pubescent gender dysphoria. Parents or counsellors who would prefer a watch and wait approach risk prosecution. The legislation is driven by ideology rather than evidence – about 75% of cases of pre-pubescent gender dysphoria resolve by the end of adolescence if a watch and wait approach is adopted. The MPs who voted for the legislation apparently don’t mind that they’re condemning many NZ children to state-sponsored sterilization and mutilation that they will later regret. Only 8 out of 120 MPs opposed the bill – that’s how woke our parliament is.
Some references:
Drummond, K., Bradley, S., Peterson-Badali, M., & Zucker, K.(2008). A follow-up study of girls with gender identity disorder. Developmental Psychology, 44, 34–45. doi:10.1037/0012-1649.44.1.34
Steensma, T., McGuire, J., Kreukels, B., Beekman, A., & Cohen-Kettenis, P. (2013). Factors associated with desistance and persistence of childhood gender dysphoria: Aquantitative follow-up study. Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, 52(6), 582–590. doi:10.1016/j.jaac.2013.03.016

Lesley van Reenen
Lesley van Reenen
8 months ago

Wow. They should be put behind bars for two reasons: reckless cruelty and stupidity.

Ted Ditchburn
Ted Ditchburn
8 months ago

Some hapless mediocrity from the respective parties will probably have to apologise for Starmer and Sturgeon’s views, which are identical, at some point in the future.
But until then we’ll continue to take more and more confused and impressionable kids and stick drugs in them before the surgery.
Oversight in this area has been woeful and very recent tentative attempts to do something are inadequate.

Margaret Tudeau-Clayton
Margaret Tudeau-Clayton
8 months ago

By contrast the highest medical authority in France has issued a call for caution: https://segm.org/sites/default/files/English%20Translation_22.2.25-Communique-PCRA-19-Medecine-et-transidentite-genre.pdf
There is a growing pushback especially in Europe.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
8 months ago

Adults suffering from psychosexual confusion are easier to manage. Transgenderism is a facet of the New Scientific Management being put in place. Complacent Westerners are ripe for these kinds of social experiments.

William Cameron
William Cameron
8 months ago

Starmer and the labour leadership believe that people with penises should be allowed into women cells in prison and women wards in hospitals and women changing rooms in gyms and shops if they claim to be women.
They clearly dont care about actual women at all.

Steve Elliott
Steve Elliott
8 months ago

There was an article the other day that Scotland was considering having women only train carriages, for their safety I suppose. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or not but either way it’s nonsense if a man can self identify as a woman.

Peter LR
Peter LR
8 months ago

It sounds as though Labour has already gone down the rabbit hole. No wonder the Eastern Bloc countries of the EU are jumpy about this whole gender business if they see intelligent leaders being forced into uttering Shibboleths to keep their jobs.

Prashant Kotak
Prashant Kotak
8 months ago

You have to admit though, the sight of senior left politicians squirming on television, tying themselves up in linguistic knots, is very funny indeed. And Ladies and Gentlemen, I see no end in sight – we are set to be regaled with this divine comedy, getting ever more contrived and ludicrous, for years to come. On a more serious note, the left should charge rather than giving all this stuff away for free – at least the party finances will remain in a healthy state even as the left hemorrhages votes. I propose a £3 subscription model for access to endless comedy on social media – after all it worked pretty well for Corbyn.

Last edited 8 months ago by Prashant Kotak
michael stanwick
michael stanwick
8 months ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Yes, Just finished listening to Andrew Doyle interviewing James Lindsay and at the end they discuss taking the p**s out of ‘woke’ by just such satire.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
8 months ago
Reply to  Prashant Kotak

Some people on the Right, or at least Conservatives, unbelievably share the same position on the ‘trans’ issue.

I don’t find it funny; this woke nonsense has undoubtedly been noted by Putin who holds the West in utter contempt for this and other reasons, not without some reason. It is a cancer in our society.

People arguing for drugs to be administered to children and their castration and mutilation should be in prison, not lauded by large parts of the Establishment.

Last edited 8 months ago by Andrew Fisher
Kathryn Allegro
Kathryn Allegro
8 months ago

Someone should ask Keir Starmer if he is a man. If he says “Yes, I am”, he should then be asked, “How do you know?”

Steve Elliott
Steve Elliott
8 months ago

When he says “… that is actually the law” isn’t that a bit of a cop out? As if it’s law which defines what a woman is rather than biology so it bypasses any need to argue his case. A bit like saying “Well you might think that it’s biology which defines a woman but unfortunately the law says different and we are stuck with that.”

R Wright
R Wright
8 months ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

He’s a QC and former head of the CPS who didn’t learn in law school that the law changes to suit society, not society to meet the standards of the law.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
8 months ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

As explained in the article, it ISN’T the law. Starmer is either a fool or a knave, quite possibly both!

R Wright
R Wright
8 months ago

One would think a silk would know what the term ‘legal fiction’ means

Andrew Sweeney
Andrew Sweeney
8 months ago

Agree with this but just a minor point. I feel that saying “woman are being gaslighted” begs the question about where men are in all this (I am referring to men who are not pretending to be women). Are they not being gaslighted? Or are you implying that they are doing the gaslighting?

Tom Lewis
Tom Lewis
8 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Sweeney

Yes, it might be more accurate to say that, “People, who are obviously far too stupid, to have their heads up their own backsides” are being taken for a ride by ideologs and activists. And there was us thinking that the emperor had nothing on us, which is odd, because it was us who thought, he had nothing on him.

Miriam Cotton
Miriam Cotton
8 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Sweeney

You are right, everyone is being gaslighted bar the gender ideologists who are atounded by how far their gaslighting has got them.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
8 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Sweeney

I think men have been told for a long time that they have no right to an opinion on this issue.
Also we have no dog in the fight

Laura Kelly
Laura Kelly
8 months ago

1: Don’t believe everything you’re told, and
2: If you have any women in your life that you care about, you do indeed have a dog in the fight.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
8 months ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

The problem is that almost every woman I know agrees with transgender ideology.

Louise Weale
Louise Weale
8 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Have you asked them why? People are absolutely entitled to their own opinion but I’m curious.

Hosias Kermode
Hosias Kermode
8 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Here’s one who doesn’t

Kathleen Stern
Kathleen Stern
8 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

And every woman I know think these people are mentally deranged and exposing women to actual harm.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
8 months ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

This is a post form twitter. At least one woman gets it
“Women are finally experiencing in one part of society what men have been experiencing for decades. Being pushed out of their own spaces or being forced to accept the mentally ill. Congratulations on “equality”, ladies. You earned it.
“Perhaps next time men speak about the importance of allowing them to have their own spaces, you’ll listen instead of complaining about inclusivity and declaring you’re “just as competent as them at x hobby or thing so why won’t they include you?” Remember this.
” If you cannot read this without thinking “well I didn’t personally ask for it”, then you are lost. Neither did I. I’m asking people to realize this cycle has been repeated over and over again and the only reason people are finally paying attention is because it’s about women.”

Andrew Sweeney
Andrew Sweeney
8 months ago

We certainly have a dog in the fight. Gaslighting is about truth and sanity. That was pretty much my point so I couldn’t disagree with your comment more.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
8 months ago

We certainly do, if we care about our female children.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
8 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Sweeney

Good point, but there does seem to be a hidden unacknowledged misogyny in this ideology. We can note that there is hardly any mention of ‘transmen’; also the great majority of those identifying as the ‘opposite’ gender are girls/women. It seems many also may be attracted to women, so we can add homophobia to the charge sheet.

The idea that someone can be ‘born in the wrong body’ is philosophical and scientific nonsense. A far more liberated position would be to recognise that some men are effeminate and some women are masculine.

Last edited 8 months ago by Andrew Fisher
Andrew Horsman
Andrew Horsman
8 months ago

Like the lockdown narratives, the mask mandates, and the vaccine-mania, this nonsense will soon enough collapse under the weight of its own contradictions. The public know bulls**t when they smell it, and Keir’s manifest desperation for the approval of a noisy minority of groupthinking wokists is beginning to stink to high heaven.

You don’t have to be a Labour supporter to feel sad watching the party of political giants such as Bevan, Gaitskill, Wilson, Castle and Jenkins that has done so much to defend working people and fight for social justice in this country degenerate under the “leadership” of such a contemptible, hubristic, and intellectually and morally weak man (if that is indeed what he identifies himself as). At least Corbyn knew his mind and was prepared to speak it, even if a lot of it was nonsense.

Pity this unworldly charlatan who can’t see the destruction his lost soul is wreaking on his party and those around him; pity this country if his once great party somehow secures a majority despite its vacuous, confused, and profoundly dangerously deluded leader.

Lindsay Snoman
Lindsay Snoman
8 months ago

Summarising the articles I’ve read lately, a woman is akin to a blow up doll and man has no b**bs but gives birth, given those descriptions I think many natal women will identify closer with men than women but where does this leave natal men? Why must we dehumanise the vast majority of the worlds population to spare the feels of the trans community, many of which probably don’t even care for all this animosity generating fuss!
Starmer talks of respect and dignity whilst simultaneously explaining womanhood to women. I’d describe it as mansplaining but I’m not wholly sure if Starmer is one, or what it actually means to be one anymore.

Last edited 8 months ago by Lindsay Snoman
David Bullard
David Bullard
8 months ago

So perhaps the song “Why can’t a woman be more like a man” from My Fair Lady was well ahead of its time.

michael stanwick
michael stanwick
8 months ago

Asked whether the law says that trans women are women, her [Naomi Cunningham] admirably concise answer was: “No.”
Actually, that is not quite correct. The full exchange was as follows: [Questioner] Can I ask a question about something I’ve seen claimed many times (including by senior politicians) “the law states that transwomen are women.” Does the law actually say this?”
[Cunningham] “The short answer is no: the law doesn’t define the terms “transwoman” or “trans woman” at all.”
But according to Prof Rosa Freedman “The law clearly sets out in that case [Corbett vs Corbett, the April Ashley case] that sex is biological, and that transsexualism (what we would now term transgender) is psychological. As a result, when we use the word ‘sex’ in law, we are referring to biological sex.
I wondered whether under Freedman’s statement, in law, the term ‘transwoman’ is implied to be a psychological term?
It is true that the GRA can change some people’s *legal* sex, but it obviously doesn’t change *biological* sex; it can say they should be *treated* as women for most legal purposes, but allows that a trans woman can be refused access to a female-only space if there’s a good reason.
The GRA creates a Legal Fiction – in which a person with a GRA will be treated in law as something they are not in reality – they will be treated in law as a member of the sex category that is not in reality their biological sex category.
The law becomes a conduit through which the fiction can gain access to reality – in other words, to sex-segregated spaces that exist in the real world. It is the access that is important because, in most cases, it is lawful access. And, as the author states, lawful access can be denied when it is proportionate and legitimate to do so.
Trans women are not women in law, because in law sex is biology. As such the juvenile and adult forms of a human female are girl and woman, respectively. Therefore, in law, if sex is biology, then according to Cunningham, ‘woman’ must ipso facto be a term related to a biological sex category, that is female. So trans women *are* not women in law. Perhaps fictional women in law?

Last edited 8 months ago by michael stanwick
Franz Von Peppercorn
Franz Von Peppercorn
8 months ago

The aim of self identification acts, being pushed now, is to blur that distinction between sex and gender.

Phil Rees
Phil Rees
7 months ago

Again, this is very well discussed in detail in Kath Stock’s admirable book ‘Material Girls’.

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
8 months ago

One day there will be a book written about how the modern left let itself become hostage to the inanities of woke ideology. Sometimes I just want to scream, “Stop asking me to believe stupid shit!”, but still I am presented daily with the most astonishing ludicrous nonsense. What started out as compassion for the downtrodden, the marginalized and those members of society who are just having a hard time has somehow morphed into advocacy for the most ridiculous ideas ever conceived. The left is destroying itself before our eyes and that is not a good thing.
Unfortunately, the stupidest thing of all, at least here in the US, is that the only way to fight woke ideology is to vote for people with even dumber ideas, like Donald Trump. The center in politics has been obliterated.   

Malcolm Knott
Malcolm Knott
8 months ago

‘Gaslighting’ [verb, transitive] is suddenly our most fashionable word. It used to have a very precise meaning. Now it is just used as a synonym for ‘offensively contradicting’. Such a pity; a powerful word blunted and commandeered into every discussion just because it sounds good.

Last edited 8 months ago by Malcolm Knott
Judy Englander
Judy Englander
8 months ago
Reply to  Malcolm Knott

It’s used because in an age of lies it’s entirely appropriate.

Peter MacDonagh
Peter MacDonagh
8 months ago

Interesting we don’t have this debate around who is a man. I suppose they aren’t winning MMA fights or swimming contests. Is there a man of the year award? Who has been shouted down as transphobic for declaring a man is someone born with a p***s? The whole intensity of the debate sound misogynistic.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
8 months ago

Excellent well argued article. I’d really like to believe in a competent social democratic opposition to an often hapless government. But the Tories would seem to be able to mount an emotive attack, should they choose, that Labour want to allow biological males access to say, ‘your daughters’ changing rooms’. The public, who don’t yet have much awareness of this would be justifiably horrified.

Starmer has made some steps to making Labour electable. However on this issue, which really should be a no-brainer, he is showing himself to be essentialy a lightweight incapable of facing down large (idiotic) elements of his own party.

Last edited 8 months ago by Andrew Fisher
Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin
7 months ago
Reply to  Andrew Fisher

I wonder how Muslims see this issue as many vote Labour. There does not seem to be much opinion from them on this issue.

Jerry Carroll
Jerry Carroll
8 months ago

Why does this subject keep coming up? Do the trans fanatics really think normal people — that is people who haven’t painted themselves into an ideological corner from which there is no escape–will change their minds? It is not going to happen. Ever. It is past time this tiny fringe element stops trying to make sympathy for their sad plight into controlling law. I would say get a life, but they have to make do with what they have.Time to move on.

Last edited 8 months ago by Jerry Carroll
Warren T
Warren T
7 months ago
Reply to  Jerry Carroll

The problem is that today’s children are being indoctrinated with this gibberish in schools and will eventually become leaders who enact laws.

Louise Weale
Louise Weale
8 months ago

I will vote for the Political Party that offers the least harm to women and children. I don’t know that this is seen as a big issue by the British Public but while I am allowed a vote I will use it as best I can.
I do hope that most of the men who say that they don’t know what a woman is, will have worked it out by the time they want children because otherwise they will be in for a sad disappointment. Although adoption is always a positive route.

Last edited 8 months ago by Louise Weale
Simon Tavanyar
Simon Tavanyar
8 months ago
Reply to  Louise Weale

Brilliantly put!

Simon Tavanyar
Simon Tavanyar
8 months ago

“Back in the UK, women feel utterly betrayed — and many of us are wondering if we will ever be able to vote Labour again.”
No need to wonder, Ms. Smith! Make the break!
Here in reality, facts are facts, life works the way science dictates, and utopian policies have real-life consequences. Keir Starmer wanting something to be true (like John Lennon’s song ‘Imagine’) doesn’t make it true.
The trans movement is a reactionary movement by disenfranchised men who have been overtaken by Feminism. To beat Feminism, weak men simply said, “Why can’t I be a victim class? I can get that by identifying as trans. Make me a woman” And hey presto, the whole concept of ‘women’ just disappeared. Poof!
Except it didn’t.

Kirsten Walstedt
Kirsten Walstedt
7 months ago

Meanwhile in the U.S. we’re about to have a Supreme Court Justice who does not know what a woman is.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
8 months ago

“By Harman’s logic, the party’s first woman leader could be a man.”
Or an old woman

David McDowell
David McDowell
8 months ago

How funny. The revolution is eating its parents who have turned into neo-conservative feminists.

Emre Emre
Emre Emre
8 months ago

It looks like Labour-bot went into some kind of system malfunction and no one is able to get it out of it. It probably needs to crash fully and reboot to start functioning like normal again.

Phil Rees
Phil Rees
7 months ago

“trans women are women” as a legal fiction is expanded on in detail in Kathleen Stock’s great book ‘Material Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism‘.

Colin Elliott
Colin Elliott
7 months ago

“Is this man stupid? A couple of years ago, I wouldn’t have said so.”
With that, I can agree. Unfortunately, I’ve come to the same opinion about Boris Johnson, and too many other politicians.

jonathan carter-meggs
jonathan carter-meggs
7 months ago

Biology is factual, women have a cervix and genitals should not be intermingled in public spaces.