Spotlight How the tide turned against the Greens The post-Covid world is tailor-made for them but they're too bound up in identity politics BY John Kampfner . Confining Green issues to the nation state is to miss the point. Credit: Carsten Koall / Getty John Kampfner is an author, broadcaster, commentator and cultural entrepreneur. June 8, 2020 johnkampfner June 8, 2020 Filed under: Groupthink Climate crisisCoronavirusCOVID-19GreensIdentity politics Share: We have all become green during the Covid-19 lockdown, but will any more of us vote Green? Early indications suggest the reverse. Mainstream parties are back. Just when people thought that traditional politicians of centre Right and centre Left were done for, hollowed out, many of them have been rehabilitated thanks to the pandemic. The big losers have been the populists, people who came to power on the basis of easy slogans, half-truths or untruths, and divisive pitches: Jair Bolsonaro, Donald Trump and Boris Johnson. Bombast and bluster only get you so far when tackling a virus. Contrast them with steady, sturdy Angela Merkel. Written off as past her sell-by date only a couple of months ago, the German Chancellor has seen her once-beleaguered Christian Democrats surging ahead. The keyword is competence, and that gives rise to the question: does competence equal centrism? According to this theory, voters around the world flirted with democracy disrupters, but when confronted with a global crisis, they appear to be retreating to the comfort of the familiar. More from this authorHow the tide turned against the GreensBy John Kampfner The evidence points in this direction, but it is not conclusive. Germany is the clearest case. One recent poll suggests that Merkel’s CDU and its Bavarian sister party, the CSU, have climbed back up to a combined 40%, its highest for many years. If they maintain those kinds of numbers, they would romp home at the next election, due by September 2021, and dominate the next coalition. For Merkel, whether or not she stands down as she has promised, that would mark an extraordinary turnaround and a vindication of her style of leadership. The far-right AfD is falling back sharply. The far-left Die Linke too. What is most fascinating is the fate of the Greens. At the start of 2020 the Greens were being mooted as shoo-ins for the next government, possibly even leading it. Their two co-leaders, Robert Habeck and Annaleena Baerbock, were being mooted as the possible next chancellor. A job share, even? Habeck was eulogised in Foreign Policy magazine as Germany’s answer to Emmanuel Macron. Now this seems a fanciful notion — not because either has done anything wrong. Indeed, one might assume that the tide would be turning in their favour. It has become axiomatic to declare that Covid-19 has changed us all. Nothing will be the same again, even after the step-by-step opening up of societies. We have become more risk averse. We have come to value the slower values of life. We have suddenly become appreciative of birdsong. Who needs a beach holiday or a long-haul business trip when you have your back garden and Zoom? Suggested readingHow the tide turned against the GreensBy Stephen Pollard These assumptions are based on precarious foundations. We have — at least until now — stayed at home because of a combination of government rule by fiat and individual risk assessment. We have not thought further ahead than that. Will overall policy-making for our post-Covid future require (or reflect) radical and sustainable changes to behaviour? In a paper for the World Economic Forum, Emily Kirsch, a renewable energy entrepreneur, writes: “Some have written about the silver lining of coronavirus, arguing that the current drop in emissions and air pollution should be celebrated — but this drop is a direct function of the halting of economic and social activities, and does not represent the liveable future that we need to build.” “Suggesting that short-term coronavirus-related emissions reductions are ‘good for climate change’,” she adds, “sends a false message that human thriving and economic activity are incompatible with reducing emissions”. Past crises suggest that populations play catch-up once they feel they are over the worst. For example, much is made of the consequences of the financial crash of 2007-08, but emissions actually fell only by 450 million tonnes (around 1%), which is a much smaller drop than the aftermath of the Second World War, and also during the recessions of the early 1980s and 90s. Instead, we conformed to the classic V-curve, an immediate plunge followed quickly by a similar surge. Spending and consuming shot straight back up once confidence (and income) returned. Even if Covid-19 produces a U-curve, in which economies stay at the bottom for longer before eventually returning to health, will the final stage of the recovery look different to what came before? Suggested readingHow the tide turned against the GreensBy James Kirkup According to forecasts, global emissions are projected to go down by approximately 4-8% this year. The extent of the challenge the world faces with the climate emergency is such that that level of reduction will be needed every year for the next 30 years in order for the net-zero carbon emissions target to be reached by 2050. Even then, such a consistent transformation in the way we lead our lives would only succeed in keeping the temperature rise below 1.5°C. The trouble is we don’t want to be locked up any more. We will certainly appreciate more cycle lanes and many city authorities, including London’s mayor, are using the crisis to fast track such plans. That is a long-term trend driven both by our consciences and by state action (making car driving ever slower, more expensive and more unpleasant). We might fly less, taking the train more or relying on stay-cations. But aviation accounts for no more than 3% of total emissions. We might eat less meat, particularly beef… it all helps. But something different will be needed that many people will say they are unwilling to bear. As the Economist put it: “The pandemic is not, as some say, ‘nature’s reset’. Such thinking easily slips into the misanthropy that can lead environmentalists to see people themselves as the problem.” One of the problems of the Green movement is its cultural associations. Attendance at Extinction Rebellion protests or Greta Thunberg rallies has in some quarters become just one more virtue signal. In an essay in The National Interest, the academic and author Anatol Lieven argues that climate change denial has become “a cultural marker of conservative identity”, particularly in the United States during the dystopian era of Trump: “These Republican prejudices have been exacerbated by the way in which the Left has loaded onto the agenda of fighting climate change economic, political and cultural issues that are either irrelevant to climate change or directly opposed to action: the abolition (as opposed to reform) of capitalism, and a whole rag bag of identity politics and demands for minority ‘empowerment’.” Lieven calls for environmentalism to be recast as a national, patriotic issue: in other words, sugar the pill to win red necks over to the cause. To a degree he is right. The green agenda needs to be broadened, to include folk who choose not to associate themselves with “green issues”. To a degree that’s already happening. Germany’s Greens have extended their reach beyond metropolitans to include traditional more socially conservative voters in small towns and villages, particularly in Bavaria. Austria, too, where the Greens are in government. What they share with the urban hipsters is an antipathy towards globalisation and a yearning for a slower and more traditional way of life. Suggested readingHow the tide turned against the GreensBy Peter Franklin Local, in this case, does mean global. Confining Green issues to the nation state is to miss the point. International collaboration is the only sensible means of tackling the climate emergency — just as a failure to coordinate the global response to Covid-19 exacerbated the problems the world is facing. Will voters be more amenable to making the necessary huge changes to their lives needed to tackle not just this crisis, but the one lurking a few down the road? Will they, in practical terms, accept a fiscal system that punishes hypermobility and a social value system in which “excessive” consumer durables are regarded as unacceptable? Will they stay at home more and buy less — not because they are forced to, as now, but out of choice? In theoretical terms, are they more amenable to a different kind of capitalism and consumerism? Have they moved beyond the era when Gordon Brown told people that shopping was a patriotic duty? They might, possibly, but it will need a particularly deft set of politicians around the world to convince them that the traumas of 2020 were not a one-off. And it is likely that those politicians may not come from the newer order of parties, but from the old established mainstream: safety-first people better trusted to introduce radical policies. Join the discussion “Sustainable”, “renewable”, “climate emergency”, “climate change denial”, “global emissions”, “net zero carbon emissions”. All the favourite eco-babble terms are there in what looks like just another propaganda piece for the environmental-activists. You’d think that Michael Moore’s film “Planet of the Humans”, exposing the falsehoods of “green” technology, had never been shown. Are we all supposed to carry on as before believing that a sustainable future of clean, green energy will sweep away those “dark satanic mills” so distastful to our sophisticated elite? Disappointingly, this is another UnHerd piece that looks as though it would be perfectly at home in the world of herd-driven eco-ideology. Is it too much to hope that we could see some eco-scepticism here once in a while ? More Virtue Signalling rubbish!.Everyone who disagrees with vulture Capitalists & Left &Right Globalists are @@Deniers” or ”Populists” Absolute @@@@@ The reason ‘Greens’ have declined & have 1 mp courtesy of Limp-dems(in UK) is because People have seen through the Hysteria. In 2008 The Greens in EU ‘Parliament” Agreed to Compete with USa on Ethanol,which is Usually made from sugar Cane,Sugar beet,Sorghum prompted Starvation especially in Africa and South America 2009 Food riots..the ”Greens” in UK cities & EU were saying Diesel was cleaner than petrol,it turns out,More Nitrous oxide is Produced!.by Diesel” Derv”..The reason donald Trump is liable to be rel-elected are BLm riots & 3 deaths of people of colour,and biden’s ”Racism” You ain’t black if you vote Republican (Forgetting US greatest president Lincoln Was Republican, it was the Southern Democrats which wanted to keep @Slavery”..Michael Crichton ,the best selling Science Author ,wrote about Climate fraud in 2004 ”State of Fear” an excellent book, recently Left leaning documentaries &writings have Poured Scorn of ”The Green racket” Piers Corbyn & Michael Moore,who’s film ”Planet of the humans” is banned by Youtube!! does competence equal centrism? Perhaps in part because as you move to the left and right thinking becomes more ideological. Part of competence is an ability to face the facts as one finds them and act accordingly. Strong ideological commitments lead to confirmation bias, distortion, cherry picking and even outright lies. Another way of looking at it is perhaps that more rigid minds naturally find their home at the extremes. “Local, in this case, does mean global. Confining Green issues to the nation state is to miss the point. International collaboration is the only sensible means of tackling the climate emergency ” just as a failure to coordinate the global response to Covid-19 exacerbated the problems the world is facing.” There was a great quote a few weeks ago: “We may be in the same storm but we’re not in the same boat” Worry and concern about the climate or a pandemic may transcend borders but taxes don’t.The means to create tax, the responsibility to pay it and the decisions on how to spend it are all nationalistic – not global. The economic destruction created by Covid has required the massive mortgaging of future taxes just to keep the lights on. Recovery will certainly mean tax increases to claw some of that back and governments shouldn’t have too much of a problem selling the taxpayers on the need to do that but not if they’re also engaging in green vanity projects or massive third world wealth transfers. Hopefully the science of the Climate Emergency will now receive the same sort of critical analysis as that for Covid19 seeing that not a single forecast has turned out remotely correct. Unlike many Greens I have debated with I am quite prepared to consider alternative and opposing viewpoints. In the current discussion I am willing to be persuaded that Green technology is viable and reliable. However, I am not prepared to be bullied into accepting this as an article of faith. You claim that the criticisms of solar/wind technology in Planet of The Humans are 8 years out of date, have been chosen simply to fit a narrative and, as such should be discounted. Presumably, you can provide up to date information on the current status of these technologies which, if I read you correctly, will convince doubters like me that they are now “viable and reliable”. If you do decide to respond please provide something more substantial than a link to an “unreliable” Wikipedia entry or links to a range of the those glib assertions that eco-activists like to think of as irrefutable arguments. Remember, you are arguing for the technology. Planet of The Humans exposed solar and wind power systems as covertly dependent on fossil fuel power. How has this changed? Widely criticised? Are you saying it is all different now? That only uninformed fools and climate change deniers could possible suspect that the eco-activists have anything to hide? That Green technology has been given a clean bill of health and we can rest assured that once our industries are put under the command of the planet-savers all will be well? The most disturbing thing shown in Planet of the Humans (and remember, the movie was not anti-environmentalist at all) was the willingness of Green energy activists to practice deception in order to make their projects appear clean and sustainable. You surely must ask yourself why this deception was necessary. But perhaps you prefer to tell yourself that the movie only dealt with outdated information and so the dishonesty could be comfortably ignored. “Denial”, a weakness which eco-activists are fond of attributing to their enemies, is a vice they themselves are frequently guilty of. I gather that George Monbiot and other activists are worried that Planet of the Humans might embolden the climate sceptics. As such, I guess it is important to them that the movie be discredited at every opportunity. You talk about having seen critiques of the movie. Have you actually seen the movie yourself? Alternative is fineBut rubbish like this article is not alternative It seems that ideally the greens want us to reduce our standards of living back to the stone age. I’m just always surprised that green movements rely on scaremongering and massive threats that are either too huge for most to get to grips with -‘the end of the world’ -or where the science is too complex and nebulous for most people to grasp. I’m fully in favour of green projects which actually have a tangible benefit -who doesn’t want fresher air, flora (and perhaps fauna) on their street scenes, less noise pollution, cleaner waterways, lots of nicely appointed parks, less landfill, and as a matter of taste, I prefer my vegetables organic when I can afford it, and I don’t like things coated in unnecessary plastic. I don’t particularly enjoy the idea of animals suffering unnecessarily in the production of food either. These things I consider perfectly manageable, (with the exception perhaps of mass food production) and who knows what they may trigger. To view all comments and stay up to date, become a registered user. It's simple, quick and free. Sign me up
“Sustainable”, “renewable”, “climate emergency”, “climate change denial”, “global emissions”, “net zero carbon emissions”. All the favourite eco-babble terms are there in what looks like just another propaganda piece for the environmental-activists. You’d think that Michael Moore’s film “Planet of the Humans”, exposing the falsehoods of “green” technology, had never been shown. Are we all supposed to carry on as before believing that a sustainable future of clean, green energy will sweep away those “dark satanic mills” so distastful to our sophisticated elite? Disappointingly, this is another UnHerd piece that looks as though it would be perfectly at home in the world of herd-driven eco-ideology. Is it too much to hope that we could see some eco-scepticism here once in a while ?
More Virtue Signalling rubbish!.Everyone who disagrees with vulture Capitalists & Left &Right Globalists are @@Deniers” or ”Populists” Absolute @@@@@ The reason ‘Greens’ have declined & have 1 mp courtesy of Limp-dems(in UK) is because People have seen through the Hysteria. In 2008 The Greens in EU ‘Parliament” Agreed to Compete with USa on Ethanol,which is Usually made from sugar Cane,Sugar beet,Sorghum prompted Starvation especially in Africa and South America 2009 Food riots..the ”Greens” in UK cities & EU were saying Diesel was cleaner than petrol,it turns out,More Nitrous oxide is Produced!.by Diesel” Derv”..The reason donald Trump is liable to be rel-elected are BLm riots & 3 deaths of people of colour,and biden’s ”Racism” You ain’t black if you vote Republican (Forgetting US greatest president Lincoln Was Republican, it was the Southern Democrats which wanted to keep @Slavery”..Michael Crichton ,the best selling Science Author ,wrote about Climate fraud in 2004 ”State of Fear” an excellent book, recently Left leaning documentaries &writings have Poured Scorn of ”The Green racket” Piers Corbyn & Michael Moore,who’s film ”Planet of the humans” is banned by Youtube!!
does competence equal centrism? Perhaps in part because as you move to the left and right thinking becomes more ideological. Part of competence is an ability to face the facts as one finds them and act accordingly. Strong ideological commitments lead to confirmation bias, distortion, cherry picking and even outright lies. Another way of looking at it is perhaps that more rigid minds naturally find their home at the extremes.
“Local, in this case, does mean global. Confining Green issues to the nation state is to miss the point. International collaboration is the only sensible means of tackling the climate emergency ” just as a failure to coordinate the global response to Covid-19 exacerbated the problems the world is facing.” There was a great quote a few weeks ago: “We may be in the same storm but we’re not in the same boat” Worry and concern about the climate or a pandemic may transcend borders but taxes don’t.The means to create tax, the responsibility to pay it and the decisions on how to spend it are all nationalistic – not global. The economic destruction created by Covid has required the massive mortgaging of future taxes just to keep the lights on. Recovery will certainly mean tax increases to claw some of that back and governments shouldn’t have too much of a problem selling the taxpayers on the need to do that but not if they’re also engaging in green vanity projects or massive third world wealth transfers.
Hopefully the science of the Climate Emergency will now receive the same sort of critical analysis as that for Covid19 seeing that not a single forecast has turned out remotely correct.
Unlike many Greens I have debated with I am quite prepared to consider alternative and opposing viewpoints. In the current discussion I am willing to be persuaded that Green technology is viable and reliable. However, I am not prepared to be bullied into accepting this as an article of faith. You claim that the criticisms of solar/wind technology in Planet of The Humans are 8 years out of date, have been chosen simply to fit a narrative and, as such should be discounted. Presumably, you can provide up to date information on the current status of these technologies which, if I read you correctly, will convince doubters like me that they are now “viable and reliable”. If you do decide to respond please provide something more substantial than a link to an “unreliable” Wikipedia entry or links to a range of the those glib assertions that eco-activists like to think of as irrefutable arguments. Remember, you are arguing for the technology. Planet of The Humans exposed solar and wind power systems as covertly dependent on fossil fuel power. How has this changed?
Widely criticised? Are you saying it is all different now? That only uninformed fools and climate change deniers could possible suspect that the eco-activists have anything to hide? That Green technology has been given a clean bill of health and we can rest assured that once our industries are put under the command of the planet-savers all will be well? The most disturbing thing shown in Planet of the Humans (and remember, the movie was not anti-environmentalist at all) was the willingness of Green energy activists to practice deception in order to make their projects appear clean and sustainable. You surely must ask yourself why this deception was necessary. But perhaps you prefer to tell yourself that the movie only dealt with outdated information and so the dishonesty could be comfortably ignored. “Denial”, a weakness which eco-activists are fond of attributing to their enemies, is a vice they themselves are frequently guilty of. I gather that George Monbiot and other activists are worried that Planet of the Humans might embolden the climate sceptics. As such, I guess it is important to them that the movie be discredited at every opportunity. You talk about having seen critiques of the movie. Have you actually seen the movie yourself?
I’m just always surprised that green movements rely on scaremongering and massive threats that are either too huge for most to get to grips with -‘the end of the world’ -or where the science is too complex and nebulous for most people to grasp. I’m fully in favour of green projects which actually have a tangible benefit -who doesn’t want fresher air, flora (and perhaps fauna) on their street scenes, less noise pollution, cleaner waterways, lots of nicely appointed parks, less landfill, and as a matter of taste, I prefer my vegetables organic when I can afford it, and I don’t like things coated in unnecessary plastic. I don’t particularly enjoy the idea of animals suffering unnecessarily in the production of food either. These things I consider perfectly manageable, (with the exception perhaps of mass food production) and who knows what they may trigger.